Author Topic: The collapse of social stigma for unwed motherhood (Read 32371 times)

Telesphorus · « **on:** June 14, 2012, 11:48:12 PM »

There really has been a rapidly accelerating trend of illegitimacy.

I recall the pain in my mother's voice when she told me about the daughter of one of the families in our parish getting pregnant out of wedlock.

That was around 1990.

Today it seems, people are unashamed, and become very angry with anyone who mentions this ominous trend and discusses the real reasons for it. This liberal, cultural marxist reaction is even being seen among Trads.

They will introduce of ad hoc misinterpretation of scripture about the woman caught in adultery or speak of "private sins" (unwed motherhood is not private) and "gossip" - when one is simply bemoaning a trend.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/the-child-support-catastrophe/

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:04:01 AM »

Look up unwed mother on the online dictionary:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Unwed+mother

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:23:57 AM »

Everything is totally mad. Unless there was a like-minded Catholic relative out of town, there is no place for a girl in trouble to even go have the baby and avoid public scandal. To deal with the problem quietly would cost more than most people can afford these days.

It's really messed up, because the more innocent types do not use birth control when they made the mistake or were taken advantage of.

Things are so pathetic these days I find myself cheering because the girl did not get an abortion. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I feel so sorry for kids these days. The examples of purity and true beauty are almost out of reach for them entirely.

They had to hear graphic Monica Lewinsky stories about their President on the radio on the way to school...I don't see how anyone can be pure these days, unless one moves 100 miles away from other people and there is no electricity. In the grocery store a few weeks ago there was a front page huge headlineand photo about a 5-year-old-transɛҳuąƖ. It was like taking my kids to a porn shop just to get lettuce.

Our Lady said there would be no more virgin souls at a certain ere, in one of her apparitions.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:33:37 AM »

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Our Lady, in a three-centuries-old approved apparition, was addressing the problems of our own days. There is absolutely no way that a Spanish religious in the 1600s could have had any idea of what would be occurring in our century. But there it all was: Our Lady warned Mother Mariana that the Sacraments would be abused and set aside, that vocations would perish because of poor formation and education in Catholic schools and monasteries, that impurity would inundate the streets like filthy ocean waters so that “there would be almost no virgin souls.”

Our Lady of Good Success

MrsZ · « **Reply #4 on:** June 15, 2012, 03:11:57 PM »

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #5 on:** June 15, 2012, 04:07:04 PM »

There is definitely a lot of defining deviancy down. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

We have to work on our own salvation with fear and trembling and we have to admonish the sinner.

clare · « **Reply #6 on:** June 15, 2012, 04:49:11 PM »

Unwed fatherhood is not a problem...?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2012, 05:39:32 PM »

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Unwed fatherhood is not a problem...?

Clare, I don't know why I bother responding to you, because you aren't going to listen.

But here it goes:

1) Men who sire bastards are on the hook for 18 years of child support.
2) Even if most men were virtuous, there would always be enough foolish men to enable a woman to conceive out of wedlock.
3) Women choose who it is they wish to be the fathers of their children.

Men who sire bastards have more to lose than ever before because of the laws, and women who give birth to them have less to lose than ever.

And it's the latter reason that has caused the crisis of illegitimacy.

But I think you're far more interested in defending single mothers of even a hint of criticism than you are about helping children grow up in intact families, since you say there would be no approval of "stone-throwing" (i.e. social stigma) under your version of the "Social Reign of Christ the King"

Sigismund · « **Reply #8 on:** June 15, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »

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Unwed fatherhood is not a problem...?

I don't think anyone is suggesting it is not.

clare · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2012, 03:31:41 AM »

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Unwed fatherhood is not a problem...?

I don't think anyone is suggesting it is not.

It's just the silence on the matter.

Whenever the issue of illegitimacy crops up, the issue is always unwed motherhood.

clare · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2012, 03:43:40 AM »

I would rather abortion was socially stigmatised; that unwed pregnant women felt more under pressure not to have abortions, for fear of society's reaction.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2012, 10:55:43 PM »

Telesphorus said:

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Today it seems, people are unashamed, and become very angry with anyone who mentions this ominous trend and discusses the real reasons for it. This liberal, cultural marxist reaction is even being seen among Trads.

You mean everyone who doesn't accept you as his Fearless Leader is a liberal or Marxist?

One redundant post after another about how obvious things are bad -- adultery is bad, feminism is bad, fornication is bad, drunkenness is bad.

Yeah, everyone gets it. They would have to, or else they wouldn't be Catholic. These things are mortal sins ( feminism aside, which is more like a heresy or borderline heresy ).

But what you want is to be seen as some kind of really righteous guy who is MORE against these things than anyone else. For this purpose, others who are against them are painted as "liberals," because they have a more nuanced and correct view than your Puritan-tinged views.

You think by fulminating against certain things more it makes you more righteous than others; alas, it only makes you pseudo-righteous like a Pharisee. The anger of man worketh not the justice of God.

What is the "trend" of approval for out-of-wedlock pregnancies among Trads? Another phantom of your own invention for you to heroically take up arms against?

I have not seen a single instance of this "trend" in any sede chapel I've been in. If I had, I am quite certain everyone there would heartily disapprove of it. They would try to make the best of it by not chasing the girl out of church with broomsticks, but no one would be happy about it.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2012, 10:57:47 PM »

How about dropping it at this point, Raoul?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2012, 01:47:32 AM »

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Yeah, everyone gets it. They would have to, or else they wouldn't be Catholic. These things are mortal sins ( feminism aside, which is more like a heresy or borderline heresy ).

Except it seems to me many have the view that these things are just matters for weekly confession, not serious. That really is the impression I get.

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But what you want is to be seen as some kind of really righteous guy who is MORE against these things than anyone else. For this purpose, others who are against them are painted as "liberals," because they have a more nuanced and correct view than your Puritan-tinged views.

Wrong, they are liberals and laxists, and their reactions prove it.

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You think by fulminating against certain things more it makes you more righteous than others; alas, it only makes you pseudo-righteous like a Pharisee. The anger of man worketh not the justice of God.

No, I don't think it makes me more righteous. I think it's necessary for Catholics to understand what's really going on, and how their chapels are liberalizing.

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What is the "trend" of approval for out-of-wedlock pregnancies among Trads? Another phantom of your own invention for you to heroically take up arms against?

It's very obvious in the hostility towards bringing up the matter. This sort of thing is extremely common in trad chapels. Though the girl is likely to be sent to the indult, or married quickly.

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I have not seen a single instance of this "trend" in any sede chapel I've been in.

Myrna has mentioned it in her own chapel.

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If I had, I am quite certain everyone there would heartily disapprove of it. They would try to make the best of it by not chasing the girl out of church with broomsticks, but no one would be happy about it.

No, but they don't really care. Just go to weekly confession.

It's the same reason for the laxism about drunkenness.

It's not a surprise you call opposition to the complacency about drunkenness and fornication "puritanism." Of course, that's an outrageous accusation. But you're accustomed to making outrageous, false accusations without any shame at all.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2012, 01:51:53 AM »

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I would rather abortion was socially stigmatised;

Drunkenness and fornication should be socially stigmatized.

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that unwed pregnant women felt more under pressure not to have abortions, for fear of society's reaction.

You are not going to stop any abortions by rolling out the red carpet and treating like princesses girls impregnated out of wedlock.

Which is where your attitude leads to. Your attitude leads to giving the impression that fornication is normal behavior for young women, and that virtue consists in not having abortions.

The priest who asked a young women "if she was going to offend God anyway" - why she didn't prevent conception, was committing a different error (a more serious one), this one not of approving of single motherhood, but rather of treating contraception as a pecadillo that removes the consequences of another pecadillo.

There are those who take your approach to the extreme, (not necessarily Catholics) of having pregnant girls tell everyone proudly "I'm keeping the baby" as though that were a great act of moral courage.