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Offline poche

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The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:16:43 AM »
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  •  dispute between the Archdiocese of New York and the Diocese of Peoria, Illinois, has blocked progress toward the beatification of Archbishop Fulton Sheen.

    Bishop Daniel Jenky of Peoria made a surprise announcement on September 3 that the Vatican has decided to suspend the cause for Archbishop Sheen's beatification, which had been expected to take place next year. The bishop said that he was making this announcement "with immense sadness," after failing to reach an agreement with the New York archdiocese about the transfer of Archbishop Sheen's remains.

    The Peoria diocese, where the renowned preacher was raised and ordained to the priesthood, had taken the lead in promoting the cause for his beatification. In April, a Vatican-appointed panel approved the validity of a miracle attributed to Archbishop Sheen's intercession, and Church officials predicted that the beatification ceremony would take place in Peoria in 2015.

    However, Bishop Jenky revealed that the New York archdiocese has balked at a request to transfer the late archbishop's remains to Peoria, for an inspection and the preparation of first-class relics. Bishop Jenky said that he had been "personally assured on several occasions" that the New York archdiocese would cooperate in the transfer, but New York officials later withdrew their support and Vatican officials were unable to negotiate an agreement. Therefore, Bishop Jenky reported, the Congregation for the Causes of Saints "decided that the Sheen cause would not have to be relegated to the Congregation's historic archive."

    Bishop Jenky's public announcement puts heavy pressure on the New York archdiocese to cooperate with Peoria in moving forward with the Sheen cause. But Joseph Zwilling, a spokesman for the New York archdiocese, announced on September 4 that the archdiocese has not received any order from the Vatican for removal of Archbishop Sheen's remains.

    Archbishop Sheen is buried in St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. The archdiocese has insisted that this was the late archbishop's wish, and that the Sheen family does not wish for the archbishop's remains to be moved.

    Bonnie Engstrom, whose stillborn baby revived after she prayed for Archbishop Sheen's intercession-- thereby providing the miracle that is likely to fulfill the last formal requirement for his beatification-- told the Catholic Herald that her family was "incredibly saddened and confused" by the news that the cause had stalled, but she would continue to pray for an end to the impasse.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22491

    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 04:13:28 AM »
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  • Can anyone imagine such "bickering" about Paul VI?

    Sorry, not buying the "bickering".

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2014, 08:04:31 AM »
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  • [sigh] Poche strikes again.

    If the subject of this article were, say, Father Gommar DePauw, a true Trad might have a reason to give a damn about this so-called petty bickering. By no other standards save those of "Saint" John Paul II the Greatest of Them All, however, could Bishop Sheen be described as having displayed heroic virtue. After the collapse of the Church following the council, he took the see offered him and thereafter played nicely in the conciliar sandbox with all the other members of the American episcopate.

    Besides, what interest could this story have for people eager to learn the answer to the really important ecclesiastical question of the day: what sort of rainbow vestments and headgear will Cardinal Dolan be wearing when he marches up Fifth Avenue, arm in arm with Mayor de Blasio, at the head of the Irish ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs United for a More Truly Inclusive Church delegation in the next Saint Patrick's Day parade?

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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2014, 09:12:28 AM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2014, 12:24:18 PM »
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  • His statue that was set up by the protestants at the former Crystal Cathedral  Site in Orange County, Ca.   I say no.
    Bishop Sheen died a non-Catholic. Does not deserve canonization.


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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2014, 04:13:15 PM »
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  • Archbishop Fulton Sheen is truly a sad case.  By all accounts, pre-Vatican II he was a devout and holy priest and bishop.  He chose, for whatever reasons, to follow the changes in the church.  It is my hope that Archbishop Sheen made a heartfelt and sorrowful Act of Contrition on his deathbed.  

    Pope Paul VI was never a devout man but instead a Fabian candidate.  He chose to enter the priesthood by deception and through insidious connections he rose to power.  There was nothing particularly noteworthy about this man except that he was chosen to be a change agent.


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    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 04:38:04 AM »
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  • I think people need to listen to the retreats and tv shows of Archbishop Sheen.  New York (New Jersey) needs all the help it can get.  
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    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 03:32:26 PM »
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  • I recall a few years ago listening to a talk that Bp. Sheen gave on the Vatican ll council while it was still convening, which I think he attended a part of, if I recall correctly. I can't now remember much that he said, but I remember that he said that he thought the Council to be a very good thing, but that he did have some reservations as to what the changes might bring, but all in all, he seemed hopeful. Does anyone know if he ever, after the Council, said anything about the changes that showed that he regretted the changes? I don't know how he could be so devout before the Council, but not have a problem with the changes. It's one of those things that doesn't make sense to me.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    The Canonization of Fulton Sheen
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 03:56:39 PM »
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  • During the Council in 1964, Bishop Fulton J. Sheen was one of the first
    Bishops ordering his Priests in his Diocese of Rochester, NY. To turn
    their altars around and say Mass facing the people.
    He also attempted to give to the Housing and Urban Development,
    a new agency signed into law by LBJ  a historic Catholic Church in
    the black part of Rochester. The faithful stopped the giveaway.
    Sheen said that he favors the policies of the new department
    such as block busting of traditional Catholic neighborhoods.
    He is most famous in responding to a letter urging to stay away
    from Priests whom still say the Latin Mass., and warn others to
    stay away from these Masses.
    Bishop sheen may have good at his start. However turned out
    to be a compromiser and a non-Catholic.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 10:08:02 PM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

    Can you tell us about any miracles that are attributed to Archbishop Lefebvre?

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    « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 10:48:48 PM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

    Can you tell us about any miracles that are attributed to Archbishop Lefebvre?


    Would the miracle attributed to Montini be how fast his carcass turned black and rotted...


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    « Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 12:06:57 AM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

    Can you tell us about any miracles that are attributed to Archbishop Lefebvre?


    Would the miracle attributed to Montini be how fast his carcass turned black and rotted...

    NO, the miracule was the unexplicable cure of an unborn child  

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    « Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 09:30:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 (Sep 09, 2014, 4:56 pm)
    He is most famous in responding to a letter [________] urging [________] to stay away from Priests whom still say the Latin Mass., and warn others to stay away from these Masses.

    It seems to me that when you've decided to criticize someone, you ought not leave any doubt about what you're claiming (that) that person did. But you inexplicably omitted important information above
    • , so a reader can't be certain who did what in that "most famous" incident, i.e.: Bishop Sheen "responding to a letter" by whom?   Who was "urging" whom
    • to do what? 

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      Note +: The pair of bracketed underlines did not replace any text by RomanCatholic1953; instead, they were inserted to indicate the places where information was omitted, conforming to the sentence as ungrammatically structured by RomanCatholic1953.
      Note #: The present participle "urging", which the sentence syntax above indicates is modifying "letter", is missing its direct object.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 09:32:05 AM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

    Can you tell us about any miracles that are attributed to Archbishop Lefebvre?


    Oh, I don't know... The preservation of the Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments at a time when they faced extinction... at the hands of a soon to be beatified pontiff?

    Does a life of manifestly heroic virtue count for anything anymore? Would you have niggled about "miracles" if you'd lived in the years after St. Athanasius' death?


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    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 09:34:49 AM »
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    It looks like petty bickering is what is stalling Fulton Sheen's canonization process.


    Poche - What do you suppose is "stalling" Archbishop Lefebvre's canonization process?

    Could it be the same thing that is currently expediting Pope Paul VI's canonization process?

    Can you tell us about any miracles that are attributed to Archbishop Lefebvre?


    Would the miracle attributed to Montini be how fast his carcass turned black and rotted...

    NO, the miracule was the unexplicable cure of an unborn child  


    Interesting slip of the Caps Lock key...

    Would that be "NO" as in Paul VI's Novus Ordo? Was that - and his suppression of the Mass of Ages - another of his "miracles?"