Lets try a little change up.  :wink:

I wanted to discuss the issue of women, not Catholic, or not Trad (NOers), who are innately feminine. It has been my experience, and I've read it of others here, that a woman who is more connected to her natural womanhood, her femininity, who, at her core, has not been completely brainwashed and converted to the evils of modernity in her heart, is easily convinced and is more open to the Catholicism we practice here.

Of course, the best way for any child to be brought up, is with the faith. However, given the limited 'resources' for the young man who has discerned that the vocation of marriage is the path he should take up in life, I believe that, while not being the preferred option, meeting a young woman who has yet to be exposed the Faith and assisting in converting her is a viable option in seeking out a marriage partner.

Anyways, its my experience, in the workplace (the place where I have most exposure to non Catholics) that in observing women, I can sort of pick out in, my minds eye, those women who I feel would most easily convert to the faith. And its so interwoven with how feminine and non-feminist they are. I can see their femininity really trying to shine, but its as if these young women are covering it up, though very unnaturally.

There's a young woman, who is a receptionist for a department in my building, who is reserved, innerly and outwardly modest, kind, and not masculine nor outwardly 'sɛҳuąƖized'. She's one of the ones who I wish I could speak with more about the Faith, if I weren't already married. I would not want to scandalize anyone, much less place myself in a position not proper for a married man in having conversations with a woman alone. Talking about the Faith isn't really going to work in the lunch room either, and no other proper opportunity has presented itself. What's interesting, is that other people I work with, notice that there's something 'different' about her. Usually, they scorn her for being reserved and not 'normal'. But that's expected.

What's even more interesting, her name is Miriam. I wanted to ask her if she was Catholic. But, get this, when I'd first met her, and found out her name, I asked her her ethnicity (as I do with almost everyone, its a habit of mine and a good ice breaker; but I only do it when proper, I wouldn't ask a black person that question lol) she said she was Spanish, and in conversation I found out she was of Jєωιѕн decent! I didn't have the opportunity to dive any more into her background, but It made me think of PartyIsOver221 on this forum (who is also a Jєωιѕн convert). I wish I could fly him out from DC, and talk with her, lol.

But isn't it interesting, that everyone can recognize that there is something 'different' about her. And its not just her temperament. For me, its a breath of fresh air not to see a cleavage waving, over-bearing and foul mouthed woman in the workplace. That's how I felt about my wife when I met her in school. You can see, in her interactions with men, she doesn't flirt at every opportunity, even though she's relatively pretty. I can just sense there's a real woman in there, and its a nice experience.

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I do agree with you , actually, and just came upon this realization recently. A good Catholic wife doesn't necessarily have to be Catholic right now,

I'm not so sure the Church agrees with you on that, so far as potential spouses go.

Where are you , s2srea, I don't fly but I do like to drive , heh.

I work about 30 miles away from senor Raoul76- in Southern California.

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Where are you , s2srea, I don't fly but I do like to drive , heh.

I work about 30 miles away from senor Raoul76- in Southern California.

So Cal sounds cool, cept for the politics. Maybe your area can "split off" and get some better laws in regards to self-defense then I'd move.

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I work about 30 miles away from senor Raoul76- in Southern California.

Where are you again?  Was it Santa Ana?  

I will not here in Manhattan Beach much longer.  I sold my house and am moving to the Santa Clarita Valley to be near the Mass, on the border of Saugus and Valencia.  Hopefully I can go every day there is one.

I never imagined, when I was a kid driving back from Magic Mountain, that I'd be living in that area.  I thought Valencia was just a place you stop and get a Big Mac on the way back from riding rollercoasters, lol.

I grew up in Chino Hills, but moved up in to the San Bernardino Mountains. I live in Lake Arrowhead, but work 'down the hill' in Rancho Cucamonga.

How nice! I'm sure its gonna be great to live so close to Newhall. Its a really pretty chapel too .

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There's a young woman, who is a receptionist for a department in my building, who is reserved, innerly and outwardly modest, kind, and not masculine nor outwardly 'sɛҳuąƖized'. She's one of the ones who I wish I could speak with more about the Faith, if I weren't already married. I would not want to scandalize anyone, much less place myself in a position not proper for a married man in having conversations with a woman alone. Talking about the Faith isn't really going to work in the lunch room either, and no other proper opportunity has presented itself. What's interesting, is that other people I work with, notice that there's something 'different' about her. Usually, they scorn her for being reserved and not 'normal'. But that's expected.

This shows your good heart and zeal to save souls.  Alas, as I have learned, after years wandering in the desert looking for a friendly face, that appearances are deceiving.  

Sometimes just like we read bad motives into people who have none, we read good motives into those who have none.  I would see someone who I thought had "potential," like a miner digging for gold, and still do.  But you quickly realize that what you are dealing with are essentially good pagans, unbelievers who are slightly more refined than others -- or Protestants who are somewhat serious about their "faith."  True, you do have a better chance of converting someone like this than someone at a tattoo parlor, but you will nevertheless almost always be disappointed.  There are many, many steps between someone being modest, and converting to the faith.

Think about Japan.  It's a nation that was chock full of well-dressed and modest women at one time.  Yet it is one of the hardest places for the faith to take root.  Modesty is not really the key issue; it's about the heart.  Mary Magdalene was probably not the most modest woman in Palestine at the time.

This is something that should be discussed more, though.  Why do we assume certain people are open to the faith and others aren't?  Sometimes the flip side of that is we assume someone is NOT open to the faith, when in reality they are far closer to it the person we thought was open.  

So we just try to convert whoever comes into our path, whatever we think of them, until they show they are hostile or otherwise impossible, then we just pray.
This girl at work could have a real anti-Christ heart while one of your lewd fireman compadres could see the error of his ways in a split-second and convert.  You never know.

I've already decided that I cannot and will not marry a girl unless she is Catholic. I really don't even want to marry a NO Catholic, unless I could somehow convert her first. Otherwise, I want a Trad girl, or atleast a semi-Trad girl.

And reading several Trad Catholics talk about how close they are to one another in California sure makes me feel lonely out here in Georgia. I'd be surprised if there was even one Trad where I live besides my mother and I.