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The apparition at Knock Ireland
« on: March 20, 2023, 01:36:37 PM »
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  • La Salette and Knock
    Two messages from heaven that we now witness in our time.


    An allegorical interpretation given to me Cassini that I have expanded on.

    Heaven’s awareness of the freemasonic revolution against Christ and His Church was made known first to a French nun Sister Marie de St Pierre (1816-1848) and then by her request at La Salette in France on Sept. 19, 1846, where a crowned Mother of God appeared to two children. On a lone mountainside near La Salette, France, on the eve of Our Lady of Sorrows, during the month of the Holy Cross, on the beautiful day of September 19, 1846, Our Lady appeared to two peasant shepherd children named Melanie Calvat and Maximin Giraud. She wept almost for the duration of the apparition, sometimes burying her tear-covered face in her own hands. Melanie would lament that she could not console the beautiful Lady. In this apparition the Mother of God spoke to the children, asking prayers and penance to help her prevent the arm of her Son from falling over mankind for their sins. She also gave secrets to each of the children. Twice, toward the end of this apparition, Our Lady said, “Well, my children, you will make this known to all my people.” Here are some of the words she spoke that are part of those secrets she gave to the children to spread:

    (1) Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist;
    (2) Woe to the Princes of the Church who will not be occupied except to pile up riches upon riches, to safeguard their authority and to dominate with pride;
    (3) The priests, ministers of my Son, by their wicked lives, their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the Holy Mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honours and pleasures, the priests have become cesspools of impurity;
    (4) Many convents are no longer houses of God, but the pastures of Asmodeas [the Devil of impurity] and his sort;
    (5) The Church will have a frightful crisis. The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay.

    The messages were met with furious opposition from many bishops. It seems the masons and some masonic-controlled clergy already ensconced in the Church did not want any such messages to be taken seriously. Eventually, three popes, Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius X, eventually approved this apparition. 


    Thirty-three years after the apparition, on 20th August 1879, a basilica at La Salette was consecrated, and the following day, August 21st, the cardinal Archbishop of Paris in France (representing the Melchisedech Priesthood and Melchisedech Kingship) performed a canonical coronation of the statue of the Virgin of La Salette according to the prescription of the sacred Congregation of Rites.
    On the very same day as this coronation, 21st August 1879, as only heaven can co-ordinate, there occurred an active but silent apparition at Knock,  a small town (red dot) in west Connaught, Ireland, a place ‘ruggedly inhospitable and not conducive for agriculture.’


    On a miserable wet evening, in a meadow field outside the gable-end of the Knock church of St John the Baptist, a small chapel ‘dedicated to all the nations of the world,’ there occurred an active but silent apparition (i.e., the figures were speaking but could not be heard). The vision, which lit the immediate area with a brilliant light, included images of a praying St Joseph, a crowned Virgin Mary, St John the Evangelist, and against the wall, the Lamb on a bare altar with a cross behind and above it in the traditional manner found in churches of the time, it of course representing Christ and the Sacrifice of the Catholic Latin Mass said inside the church of St John the Baptist, the Mass codified at the Council of Trent (1545-1563). Never before in history did such an altar and lamb appear in any such vision. Surrounding the altar were spots of brighter light, representing angels, as in Genesis I, ‘and God said, be light made.’ This vision, mounted on an invisible platform over the tall grass, showed St Joseph with hands joined, face bowed looking towards Mary and the altar; and the Blessed Virgin, with her arms held apart as the priest does at the sacrifice of the Mass, praying to heaven. Add to this was a vested and mitred St John, superimposed between Mary and the altar, holding a book (his Apocalypse?) in one hand while gesturing in a preaching stance with the other. St Joseph, with his head bowed and glancing sideways, was isolated, separated by a mysterious black line, noticed only by a few of the observers and seldom mentioned in books on the apparition.

    Replica of apparition and pasted image as seen outside the church of St John the Baptist

    The Parish Priest of Knock at the time was Archdeacon Cavanagh, a saintly man, full of devotion to Our Lady and her Immaculate Conception. In May of 1879, Fr Cavanagh began a novena of 100 Masses for the souls in Purgatory, the final Mass being said on the morning of the day that the vision appeared, but as divine Providence would have it, this saintly priest was not to witness the vision. A reason for this could be to save the vision from accusations of being conjured up by a priest so pious and spiritual that the world may not have believed him, suggesting it was a hallucination. Instead it was to be witnessed by a group of fifteen people, men and women of all ages, from five to seventy-five, the likes of which could be found anywhere in the world among ‘all nations.’ Such a group could not be said to have had similar illusions, nor could a motive for any conspiracy be levelled at them all. Great miracles later gave final witness to its authenticity, indeed my own sister was cured of St Vitas Dance after one visit to Knock.

    ‘Though the Knock witnesses experienced various emotions – happiness, wonder, devotion, exaltation of spirit, one being moved to tears – not one of them was rapt in ecstasy. None of them heard a word; neither did they receive any interior message or sign. That the Mother of God, who bade Bernadette pray for sinners, who had pleaded for conversion of life at La Salette,…. should have remained silent to her devoted Irish children was, and still is, a stumbling block to many. There was no message, they say, so the Apparition is devoid of meaning.’ ( Mary Purcell, Our Lady of Knock, p.18.)

    Of course there was a message, similar to every other message from Heaven, warning of dangers and ways to save souls. Heaven does not indulge in meaningless pictures, but few, if any, could/can fully understand this strange apparition in 1879. It is obvious the apparition at Knock cannot be interpreted by way of theological norms, that is, like looking at a holy picture portraying a biblical scene. The main reason for this is because Knock was not a simple ‘Marian’ message but almost certainly a Johannine one, and, like parts of St John’s Apocalypse (book of revelations), has to be read in an allegorical sense. So, we can ask, (1) How can it be interpreted? (2) Why Knock: (3) Why was it silent? (4) What could the message of Knock be telling us? 
       
    I can finish this paper once again if requested.

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2023, 02:00:05 PM »
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  • Please do continue. Especially interesting is your mention of Sister Marie de St Pierre, who was warned by Our Lady about Communism prior to the emergence of that satanic attack. Then in 1917 Our Lady warned us again about "the errors of Russia" spreading throughout the world, which we are now experiencing.
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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • Following up on your post, I founds this commentary on Knock which ties it in to the Great Chastisement.

    https://returntofatima.org/2018/08/21/st-michael-st-john-and-our-lady-of-knock/


    Ed. Comment:  Knock is an important message in line with the other true Marian apparitions; like La Salette and Fatima, it warns of threats to the faith, especially the priesthood and the Mass. The Sacred Tableau presented at Knock does point to the Apocalypse. And the presence of St. Joseph and St. John the Beloved, both of whom were sacerdotal figures in close contact with the Blessed Virgin, point to our Lady’s love for priests.
    Because Knock is presented to us between La Salette and Fatima, I believe it is, like them, a warning of the coming chastisement. The Chastisement (which has been unfolding since 1960 and is now about to crash in its full fury) serves the purpose of bringing what is hidden to light to cleanse satan and those who follow him from within the Church.
    This year with the eruption of the putrescence of the priest sɛҳuąƖ abuse network in the Church, which has been aided and abetted by the rulers of the Church up to and including the current pontiff, we see more than ever, the need for fervent renewal of the faith and honesty in all areas of church governance. This cannot be accomplished without the renewal of devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    After the culmination of the Chastisement, which will end with the Return of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Fatima, there will be the promised period of peace after which the Antichrist will return and will wage his final war against Christ’s Kingdom, the war in which he is vanquished completely by Our Lord Jesus Christ, King.
    The Bergoglio/Danneels papacy is intent on destroying the Mass and the sacraments, using a perversion of mercy as their weapon. At Knock the emphasis was on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, in absolute silence, on a cold rainy night, and most importantly, outside of the church, not within the warm, dry, secure church, but outside, in hostile weather. It gives us much to think about, doesn’t it?
    Remember – Our Lady needs us to obey:  First Saturdays of Reparation, daily rosary, at least 5 mysteries, wear her brown scapular and live your Total Consecration to her Immaculate Heart, offering daily duties in reparation and for the conversion of poor sinners.
    † . Immaculate Heart of Mary, Queen of our hearts, Mother of the Church, do thou offer to the Eternal Father the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, for the conversion of poor sinners, especially our Pontiff.
    † . Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come! Viva Cristo Rey!
    † . Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.
    † . St. Joseph, protect us, protect our families, protect our priests.
    † . St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.
    Please pray for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary!


    https://returntofatima.org/2018/08/21/st-michael-st-john-and-our-lady-of-knock/


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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2023, 02:31:19 PM »
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  • OK Cera, especially for you. But remember now, this is an informed opinion, probably not shared by the NOs

    Before one can possibly try to understand Knock, one must fully accept and try to comprehend the war declared by God in Genesis 3:15 between the Christ and the antichrists, a battle of ‘Principalities and Powers,’ an ongoing conflict carried out on a temporal and spiritual plane at the highest level.

    How can it be interpreted?

    While there is no doubt the apparition is dominated by the lamb and altar, that is, the Catholic Mass of the time, the rock upon which the Catholic faith rests, in this case symbolised by a forlorn lamb on an empty altar backing on to the wall of the Church of St John the Baptist, other aspects of the vision are not clear at all. Accordingly it must be interpreted by way of allegory, by accuмulating knowledge of all with regard to the vision, its images, its timing, its place and then trying to draw conclusions from them. This way of interpretation was made known by St Paul in his Letter to the Galatians (Celts) 4:24: ‘things are said by an allegory’ - a form of exegesis thrown out by Martin Luther and one that is hardly ever found among modern Catholics. Scholars on the origin of European peoples tell us that a fair number of the old and true Galatians (Celts) had migrated up throughout Europe on to Ireland and settled here and even to this day many there still speak the Gaelic language. Thus there is a connection between the people of Knock and the allegorical nature of the Knock message.

    Why Knock?

    For many years now, Knock is depicted as a Marian shrine. Marian shrines however were places that the Virgin Many appeared alone to give her message made known by her words. Knock was different, far different, for it had the Virgin praying while a mitred St John the Evangelist holding a book (his Apocalypse?) seems to be the one giving the message. The Church that Heaven chose to use at Knock was a small church named after St John the Baptist, with its inscription on the west wall that reads: ‘My house shall be called the house of prayer to all nations. This is the gate of the Lord: the just shall enter into it.’ The standard interpretation of Knock is one of Marian comfort to the people of Ireland who had undergone famine and poverty in that century. The vision, using ‘the gate to all nations’ however, suggests it was a message to the whole world. This combination of the two St Johns indicates the vision was not Marian, but ‘Johannine.’ Be aware that the entire profane religion of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, built on the great truth of esoteric Catholicism can be termed Johannism, they having chosen St John the Baptist and St John the Evangelist as the patron saints of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, a religion written about by the popes of the 18th and 19th centuries as deadly enemies of God and His Church. 
       
    The Biblical Apocalypse of St John the Evangelist tells of the snatching of divine fecundity by the dragon as the mystic issue is born at the foot of the cross. This then is why the Gnostic masons chose the two St Johns to profane among all the saints? The probable reason is to arrogate to themselves symbolically the divine fecundating power of St John the Baptist in his baptism and that preserved alive in St John the Evangelist (and Mary, the mother of Jesus) between Calvary and Pentecost, a fecundating or generation power impossible to Lucifer. Be aware also, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was active in Ireland and even the village of Knock at this time, doing the work of the Devil. It is this connection with the two St Johns that leads us to believe the Knock apparition was also a response to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, by then, 1879, well advanced in its plan to eliminate the influence of the Catholic Church on Earth.

    ‘Grand Lodge of Ireland is the second most senior Grand Lodge of Freemasons in the world, and the oldest in continuous existence. Since no specific record of its foundation exists, 1725 is the year celebrated in Grand Lodge anniversaries, as the oldest reference to Grand Lodge of Ireland comes from the Dublin Weekly Journal of 26 June 1725. This describes a meeting of the Grand Lodge to install the new Grand Master, the First Earl of Rosse on 24 June. The Grand Lodge has regular Masonic jurisdiction over 13 Provincial Grand Lodges covering all the Freemasons of the island of Ireland, and another 12 provinces worldwide.’ --- Wikipedia.      


    Here above is the Masonic symbolism for phallic fecundation by word, the profane version of the fructification of the waters by Word which we shall not elaborate on. This Masonic picture shows the two St Johns, John the Baptist on the left and John the Evangelist on the right. Of profound importance in Albert Pike’s revelations is the reference to the Johannites and the fact that by then, 1870, the ‘Order that has existed for centuries in despite of its anathemas, has its Sanctuaries and Asyla even in Rome.’ 

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2023, 02:37:05 PM »
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  • Why was it silent?

    In the plan of God for men, He set up many a hierarchy: one being a chain of communication between God, the Pope, a King, down to the people scattered throughout the kingdoms. Such a link began when Constantine placed his kingdom into the society intended by Christ. Later the Pope would crown the King of the Franks with divine approval. The Pope would represent heaven, taking his authority from God Himself. The king would take his authority from the Pope and so on down to the common people. Rome in turn made provision for this hierarchy by providing a special place at Church Councils for those kings loyal to God, the Church, the Pope and his definitions, declarations and social instructions.
    Responding to heaven’s challenge to Satan’s dominion, in a master plan from hell, the earthly Freemasons would devote themselves to eliminating the worldwide Christian society. To sever this relationship all one had to do was remove the temporal kingship and whole nations could be lured into apostasy just as whole peoples were Christianised through king and country. Breaking this crucial link between God and His people was the first step in Satan’s counter-offensive in the war of Genesis 3:15. What is not commonly known is that the freemasons claimed complete victory after the First World War, a war, as we know, begun by a planned assassination. At Vatican I in 1870, only one kingdom; that of Portugal, remained in the royal box giving public witness of their loyalty to the Church.

    “Two months before the invasion of Rome, Pius IX had presided over the final session of the Vatican Council. In contrast to the opening a year before, St Peter’s was almost deserted. In the royal box, there were two ladies, one of them the Infanta of Portugal (The royal title of the Kingdom of Portugal), as well as a decrepit officer with the Order of St Januarius blazoned across his chest. The diplomatic box, too, had many vacant seats. The Great Powers had instructed their ambassadors to boycott a function in which there was no mileage for them.” --- Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy by Peter de Rosa.
       
    The symbolic end of God’s terrestrial Principalities occurred when the Pope had to surrender to the freemasonic forces laying siege to the last of the Vatican states by raising the white flag of surrender in 1870, 40 years after Our Lady predicted the same date in her message to St Catherine Laboure in 1830. Giuseppe Garibaldi actually sat on the chair of Peter vacated by Pius IX. The timing here was deliberate, for it interrupted the Council itself, preventing God knows how many definitions of faith that might have thwarted the freemasonic-led modernists that were emerging at the time.
       
    We could then interpret the silence of the vision as experienced by all who witnessed it to the fact that the traditional means of public communication between God and His people, through the hierarchy between God, Pope, king, bishop and priest down to the flock, had by then been eliminated in the once Catholic countries of Europe by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. The apparition of Our Lady of Hope at Pontmain, France, in the same year of Vatican I (1870) was also silent. In that case however, letters in the sand were provided that spelled out the message. But there was no communication at all in Knock. There was a verbal communication in Fatima in 1917 but remember Portugal was represented at Vatican I.
     
    Now there may be some who would contend that the endless series of ‘Marian’ visions at Mudjugorje shows this interpretation to be untrue. Our Lady is supposed to speak to seers here nearly every day. But Medjugorje of the ‘lying wonders’ cannot be Catholic, not from heaven, more like movies from hell. The ‘visions’ of Mudjugorje, if true, allegedly began on the Masonic hour on the feast of St. John the Baptist (June 24th 1981), the adopted patron of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ with its passion for symbols and secret signs. Satan, we know, or should know, will do whatever it takes to spread relevant error. In this case he has attracted millions of Catholics (and many non-Catholics) to this place, gets them on their knees praying, confessing, fasting or whatever, and then delivers to them a slice of false democracy, ecuмenism and error. Docuмented evidence, as well as personal conversation with some that regularly went there and who found this out for themselves, has convinced us that there is on offer here from ‘the Virgin’, the hoary old freemasonic idea that all religions must be moulded into one universal religion, the ‘all roads lead to heaven’ belief, for we all supposedly have the same God. To emphasise this, the ‘Virgin Mary’ told one of the seers that the holiest person there was a Muslim woman. In other words there is a rejection here of the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

    What was the message of Knock? 
     
    The next step is to try to interpret the ‘message’ of Knock. In the first place it is obvious that the Lamb on the altar dominates this vision, that is, the holy sacrifice of the Mass, celebrated by the Catholic priesthood. To this end we note the presence of St Joseph, a ‘son of David,’ as we know from the Gospels, making him a Melchisedech priest (even though St Joseph never exercised his priesthood), and whose status was completed by divine Providence at Vatican I making him Patron of the Universal Church. He, like the Lamb on the altar is isolated, almost ‘out of the picture’ so to speak, and this was confirmed when that black line was later revealed, separating the vision into two frames. In other words, the Melchisedech priesthood of the Church is here placed ‘outside,’ just as the vision itself was placed ‘outside’ the church of St John the Baptist.
    Mary wears the rose and crown, symbols of those Principalities now lost. In other words she is now representing the lost Kingdoms, she being the unshakable Queen of all nations. The Blessed Virgin is looking to heaven, her hands raised as Advocate or Orante, that is, in the manner of a priest during the Canon of the Mass, pleading, to her Son to avert some future disaster. St John the Evangelist stands beside the altar, clearly reading from his Book of Revelations that foresees all things to come.

    It is here we will show others with knowledge of the ongoing battle of Principalities and Powers, one of those instruments used by Satan to do his work of eliminating all means of graces that are needed to save souls from Hell, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. The picture below illustrates their position at the time of Knock. 


    First observe the Masonic serpent with three heads. Two of these are raised, signifying the imminent masonic victory of the sword over the Melchisedech Kingship of Christianity. On the ground is the not yet achieved victory over the Melchisedech priesthood in the Church represented by the papal tiara on the serpent’s head. Let us recall here the ‘Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita,’  otherwise known as the ‘Alta Vendita Plan’ discovered in 1820 which speaks of working for a generation that will rejoice in having a pope ‘according to our wants’ and of a clergy who will ‘march under our banner in the belief always that they march under the banner of the Apostolic Keys.’ (The secret papers of the Alta Vendita (written in the early 1800s), highest lodge of the Italian secret society, the Carbonari, acquired by Pope Gregory XVI and, on the orders of Pope Pius IX and Pope Leo XIII, was published by Cretineau-Joly in his work The Roman Church and Revolution, reprinted in 1885 and many times since.) Significant also, is the symbol of masonic-equilibrium, (false teaching) the up or down ladder dominating all.


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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2023, 02:44:53 PM »
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  • So, is there anything else of an allegorical nature about Knock that can give us a clue to the message? Yes there is, but we must now delve back into history to find it. On May 15th, 1213, King John (reigned 1199-1216) , offers the Kingdoms to God through the Apostles Peter and Paul.

    ‘I, John, by the grace of God king of England and lord of Ireland,
    from this hour forward will be faithful to God and the blessed Peter and the Roman Church,
    and my lord the Pope Innocent and his successors following in Catholic manner.’

    May 13, 1879, the eve of the completion of 666 years (1879-1213=666) since the act of consecration of Ireland and England, was also the eve of the 100 Fr Cavanagh Masses that precede the apparition day.
        In August 1649, the Puritan Oliver Cromwell, a British military and political leader invaded Ireland to quell an anti-Protestant revolt, conquering all the Irish who opposed him. In response to Cromwell’s campaign to destroy the Christian Kingdom of Ireland, the Catholic Ecclesiastical Congregation of the Kingdom of Ireland met at Clonmacnoise on the 4th of December 1649, and issued a Motu Proprio, with reference to the English government’s intention to ‘extirpate’ (eradicate or destroy completely) the Catholic religion, warning Catholics not to be deceived by those supposedly acting in the name of God.  Given the universal nature of a proprio motu, i.e., a message for ‘all nations’, we feel there is a continuity and connection between the three elements mentioned here.   
       
    ‘Take away the Mass, destroy the Church’ said Martin Luther. ‘The Devil has always, by means of heretics, to deprive the world of the Mass. Making them precursors of the Antichrist, who before anything else, will try to abolish, and will actually abolish the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a punishment for the sins of men, according to the prediction of Daniel, “and strength was given him against the continual Sacrifice.”’--- St Alphonsus.

    It was Cromwell who imposed the Penal Laws against the majority of Roman Catholics in Ireland, as well as confiscating a substantial amount of their lands and dwellings. These were a series of laws imposed in an attempt to force Irish Roman Catholics to accept the Protestantism of England. Cromwell, that docuмented Satanist who conquered in the name of his god, was one of the first to usurp the divine right of kings by purging his own Charles I of England, a Protestant married to a Catholic, and replacing him with the beginnings of freemasonic ‘democracy,’ where secular men and not kings subservient to God would rule the world according to their own laws. Cromwell, who committed untold atrocities against the Catholic Irish, first and foremost hated the Catholic Mass. A champion of ‘liberty of conscience’ or ‘religious liberty,’ but this liberty did not include the traditional Latin Mass. Cromwell, a Satanist, knew that the Mass of all time, the Mass of Trent, the Council that condemned Protestantism, was the lifeblood of Catholicism. He knew that to destroy the Mass was to destroy the priesthood, and destroy the Catholic Faith. Accordingly, Catholic priests were killed and expelled, with penalties as severe as death to those caught saying the Mass and punishment for those Catholics caught attending it. Here is a picture depicting Cromwell’s soldiers finding such a Mass.



    It was during these times (1653) that Cromwell - having taken the lands off Catholics in the providences of Leinster, Munster and Ulster - gave them to his soldiers and friends, while ordering the remaining 850,000 Catholics of Ireland to be deported as slaves to the West Indies or go ‘To hell or to Connaught,’ that is to the west counties of Ireland or be killed. All Catholic priests not immediately killed on sight during the war were to get out of the country by 1654. Choosing Connaught to execution, many Catholics moved into this desolate, infertile and barren west of Ireland where they continued to be persecuted in any event. It was these Celtic descendants from early times that occupied Knock in Connaught in 1879, the time heaven chose to send a message, a warning to the world.


    Final Interpretation

    God never leaves us ignorant. It is plain to see that God chose La Salette and then Knock to warn Catholics of the greatest battle of all to come, another attempt to try to eliminate traditional Catholicism and the Latin Mass of Trent by replacing it with one similar to that of Oliver Cromwell. Nowhere else in the history of the world after Holy Thursday was there a heavenly mention of an attack on the Mass of all time. In no other vision in history was the lamb on the altar portrayed. The Message here is delivered by St John the Evangelist, author of the Book of Revelation, the Book of Prophecy; the Book predicting a great apostasy incorporating the Beast, the forces of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  Given the Mass is the source of grace that enables Catholics to know and keep the faith and thus Christianity alive and well, there is no doubt Knock was a reminder of Our Lady’s warning of an attack on the Mass, its priesthood, and Catholicism to come throughout all the Catholic nations on Earth.

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • Hindsight


    There is of course yet another means by which the interpretation of Knock can be known; by way of time itself. In 1884, five years after the apparition at Knock, Pope Leo XIII himself had an experience of his own, hearing the Lord allowing the Devil 75 to 100 years to try to destroy Catholicism on Earth. Unlike those trying to interpret the message of knock in 1879, and for many years after that, we now live in times well past those 75 to 100 years and can now see for ourselves what happened to Rome as La Salette predicted, what happened to the Catholic Mass of Knock and its priesthood, the one that Oliver Cromwell had tried to suppress and substitute; the Mass defended like this in 1570:

    “Quo Primum” is a papal bull decreed by Pope St. Pius V on July 14, 1570, which set in stone for all time the exactness of the holy sacrifice of the Mass to be said in the mother tongue of the Church [Latin]. To quote his instruction: “t shall be unlawful henceforth and forever throughout the Christian world to sing or to read Masses according to any formula other than that of this Missal published by Us; ...” Another: “... which shall have the force of law in perpetuity, We order and enjoin under pain of Our displeasure that nothing be added to Our newly published Missal, nothing omitted therefrom, and nothing whatsoever altered therein.” Another: “In the case of those resident in other parts of the world it shall be excommunication ‘latae sententiae’ and all other penalties at Our discretion ...” Finally: “Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.”

    While not set in ‘infallible stone,’ the intent of this pope was to secure the unity the Latin Mass gave to Catholics worldwide. By then Protestantism with its own form of vernacular ‘service’ was spreading throughout Europe, breaking up into many different churches, all Christian unity gone. Now while very minor worthy additions were added to the Catholic Mass right up to 1962 by different popes, the Latin Mass remained the same, its graces, instructions and Holy Communion kneeling on the tongue helping millions to keep the faith world-wide and drawing many, many vocations to the priesthood.

    On 28 October 1958 however, at age 76, Cardinal Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli was elected pope taking the name Pope John of course; yes John, the first to do so in 500 years. Accordingly he became Pope John XXIII, the same name as the last Pope John XXIII (1410-1415) who was declared an anti-pope by the Church. Soon after his election Pope John called a council of the Church, Vatican II. He said the call came to him in a dream. From where that dream came from we can only guess. Pope John XXIII promised a ‘renewal’ in the Church that was flourishing at the time. History records tradition was ‘thrown’ out of Vatican II to be replaced by ‘renewal,’ especially by way of ecuмenism, not a renewed conversion of non-Catholics but an acceptance of non-Catholicism without conversion. As regards the Mass, well it too was renewed to make it more compatible to ‘all in the world.’ To begin with, it was proposed the language of the Mass be changed from the Latin to the vernacular, the language of peoples all around the world. But that was only the beginning. The Mass then became more Protestant, throwing out the sacrificial altar replacing it with the Protestant table. Next many sacramentals were thrown out with prayers etc. this history can be seen hereunder:



    Pope Paul VI says the first Mass in the vernacular, March 7, 1965
    Everything Ottaviani said came to pass at Knock and worldwide. First the Latin was abolished, and then its format was altered and important parts of the old Mass were disposed of. Communion rails were thrown out, altars torn out of their original positions, replaced with tables, just like the Protestants use for their ‘meal.’ The priest now faces the people with his back to the tabernacles of the old churches. Holy Communion, the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ, is now distributed to the hand to queues lining up to receive. In 2020 during the Covid 19 pandemic some hosts were put into plastic bags to be taken by anyone on the way out of the churches. What was once the same Latin Mass worldwide, signifying a unity in Catholicism, became a potpourri with additions now according to the wishes of each parish priest, to accommodate such things from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to clowns to animals, happy-happy clapping, talking events, some including women, dancing in the sanctuary, all now docuмented by way of video. Gone is the fact that the Mass is an enactment of the events of Calvary. Can one imagine such behaviour in front of a sacrificing Christ dying on the Cross? Needless to say, millions abandoned these graceless Novus Ordos, 120,000 priests left or retired, vocations dried up, seminaries, convents etc., emptied and Catholicism lost all its influence in the world.

    Nevertheless, the traditional Latin Mass of Trent and Pope Pius V survived in the era of the Novus Ordo. Various priestly orders were founded with the intention of keeping the Latin Mass and traditional teachings of the Church alive. Their Masses and traditional teachings were sough out by Catholics shocked by the ‘renewed’ doctrines and Masses of Vatican II.


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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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    New flat roof church, Muslims, Protestants and Syrian schismatics welcome.

    In Ireland there was a traditional pilgrimage to a Mass rock first and then on to Knock for rosary and devotions. In recent years the authorities at Knock allowed the Latin Mass to be said in the church of the Apparition, with the usual 15 decades of the rosary and devotions afterwards. In 2017 however, on informing the authorities of their proposed visit they were told they were forbidden to say Mass in any of the Knock buildings. Members of the annual trip decided they would bring a tent with them for the Mass. On September 15th, 2017 however, two young priests of the Society, one American and the other Australian, with a congregation of around 100 men, women and children, upon their putting up the tent were asked to take it down and leave the grounds of Knock. This order was questioned and one of the security men went off to check up on it. When he returned the message was clear, yes, the group was to vacate the Knock shrine grounds and not to return for their rosary or anything as a group.  The two priests were shocked to say the least but told all to leave quietly and with dignity. It seems heretics and schismatics are welcome in Knock that day, but those Catholics dedicated to the traditional teaching of Catholicism and the Mass of all ages are no longer welcome. It was raining at the time. Given there was ‘no room at the inn’ they looked for somewhere to say their Mass. As it happened, a restaurant car-park owner gave permission for the priests to say their Mass in it. Kneeling in the wet mud, the priest, under an umbrella, Christ’s sacrifice was re-enacted. The pilgrims then said the full rosary along the streets of Knock village. Such were the letters of complaint to Knock from the laity that permission was granted to resume their annual activities in Knock in 2019. With Pope Francis now in 2022 trying to eliminate the Latin Tridentine Mass altogether, we will see if this permission will last.

    “By their Fruits you will know them”

    The good Lord told us: ‘By their fruits you shall know them.’ Could anyone be in any doubt now that the apparition at this same church of St John the Baptist of  21st August 1879, foretold the return of Cromwell’s hatred and suppression of the traditional Latin Mass. It is almost unbelievable that those who are now implementing Cromwell’s orders to suppress the Mass defended by Pope Pius V, do so under orders from Rome, the same Rome Our Lady at La Salette warned ‘would become the seat of the Antichrist.’ The Mass that Pope Pius V tried to protect was abandoned by Rome and Knock. With it went the graces necessary to remain Catholic, obedient to the commandments of God and His Church. What are left in the Novus Ordo church now obey their own conscience, which as often as not differ from the teachings of the Church. Proof of this came in Ireland when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ‘marriage’ was voted into law by a majority. In 2018, the same Catholic majority of Ireland voted to remove from the Irish constitution all rights of the unborn, allowing their abortion according to civil law. The silence from the cowardly Irish bishops assisted in bringing about these sins of Ireland.

     THE END.



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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
    « Reply #8 on: March 20, 2023, 03:15:49 PM »
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  • Thank you Cassini. I am saving this thread as a docuмent.

    I'm reminded of the Book of Daniel 12:11

    And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety day
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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • The secret of La Salette was a private message to Pope Pius IX and has never been revealed by the Church. Later in her life, Melanie published a text that she claims was the message she was given by Our Lady, and this is the text you see today asserted to be the secret of La Salette. However, the Holy Office declared that what Melanie published was not only not the same text she had sent to Pius IX 30 years before, but even that it "cannot be considered authentic or doctrinally sound; that therefore, without any prejudice to the cult given to the Blessed Virgin under the title of La Salette, they [the archbishops] don’t approve of them in any way whatsoever".

    In other words, what Melanie published later is not the same message as the real message she received from Our Lady, and the Holy Office even placed the text from Melanie on the Index of Forbidden Books.

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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    New flat roof church, Muslims, Protestants and Syrian schismatics welcome.

    In Ireland there was a traditional pilgrimage to a Mass rock first and then on to Knock for rosary and devotions. In recent years the authorities at Knock allowed the Latin Mass to be said in the church of the Apparition, with the usual 15 decades of the rosary and devotions afterwards. In 2017 however, on informing the authorities of their proposed visit they were told they were forbidden to say Mass in any of the Knock buildings. Members of the annual trip decided they would bring a tent with them for the Mass. On September 15th, 2017 however, two young priests of the Society, one American and the other Australian, with a congregation of around 100 men, women and children, upon their putting up the tent were asked to take it down and leave the grounds of Knock. This order was questioned and one of the security men went off to check up on it. When he returned the message was clear, yes, the group was to vacate the Knock shrine grounds and not to return for their rosary or anything as a group.  The two priests were shocked to say the least but told all to leave quietly and with dignity. It seems heretics and schismatics are welcome in Knock that day, but those Catholics dedicated to the traditional teaching of Catholicism and the Mass of all ages are no longer welcome. It was raining at the time. Given there was ‘no room at the inn’ they looked for somewhere to say their Mass. As it happened, a restaurant car-park owner gave permission for the priests to say their Mass in it. Kneeling in the wet mud, the priest, under an umbrella, Christ’s sacrifice was re-enacted. The pilgrims then said the full rosary along the streets of Knock village. Such were the letters of complaint to Knock from the laity that permission was granted to resume their annual activities in Knock in 2019. With Pope Francis now in 2022 trying to eliminate the Latin Tridentine Mass altogether, we will see if this permission will last.

    “By their Fruits you will know them”

    The good Lord told us: ‘By their fruits you shall know them.’ Could anyone be in any doubt now that the apparition at this same church of St John the Baptist of  21st August 1879, foretold the return of Cromwell’s hatred and suppression of the traditional Latin Mass. It is almost unbelievable that those who are now implementing Cromwell’s orders to suppress the Mass defended by Pope Pius V, do so under orders from Rome, the same Rome Our Lady at La Salette warned ‘would become the seat of the Antichrist.’ The Mass that Pope Pius V tried to protect was abandoned by Rome and Knock. With it went the graces necessary to remain Catholic, obedient to the commandments of God and His Church. What are left in the Novus Ordo church now obey their own conscience, which as often as not differ from the teachings of the Church. Proof of this came in Ireland when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ‘marriage’ was voted into law by a majority. In 2018, the same Catholic majority of Ireland voted to remove from the Irish constitution all rights of the unborn, allowing their abortion according to civil law. The silence from the cowardly Irish bishops assisted in bringing about these sins of Ireland.

     THE END.

    That's a horrible-looking "church," in Knock. So sad.

    There was a Church built on the site of the La Salette apparition too, but from what I've read, that church doesn't even belong to the diocese anymore. It's used for wedding venues, etc. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • The Basilica at Notre-Dame de la Salette is still very much a church and lots of pilgrims go there every year:
    https://lasalette.cef.fr

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • The Basilica at Notre-Dame de la Salette is still very much a church and lots of pilgrims go there every year:
    https://lasalette.cef.fr

    My mistake. Thanks for the correction. It appears to be part of the diocese after all.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • The secret of La Salette was a private message
    This is an old lie.
    Look deeper.

    In ““, Solange Hertz wrote of the strident resistance to the message of La Salette which arose not so much from outside the Church as from within the Church herself, “despite the fact that the apparition enjoyed almost immediately the full approbation of the Church with rich indulgences granted to pilgrims and canonically approved miracles…”

    THE BISHOPS RESIST
    Why this resistance?

    According to Melanie,
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    “Alas, the Bishops, those who considered themselves targeted in the Secret, have become the enemies of this merciful Secret, just as the high priests condemned the divine Savior to death! And inasmuch as the Mother of God and of all Christians by adoption at the foot of the Cross has recommended that her message in its entirety be made known to her people, what are we waiting for to obey the Virgin Mother, seeing that every day we behold the punishments announced by the Secret taking place?
    “What are we waiting for, inasmuch as Holy Church has shown herself in favor insofar as she can where revelations are concerned? Pius IX ordered the Bishop of Grenoble to build a beautiful Church on the mountain of La Salette. Leo XIII crowned the statue and gave the sanctuary the title of Basilica. What more do we need to beat our breasts, to admit that all, all of us, have sinned, all of us have provoked God’s justice, all of us have set our lips to the poisoned fount of our depraved passions, drunkenness from which plunges us into darkness?
    “Whoever is ill-willed in regulating his life according to the law of God, according to the maxims of the Gospel, will always find reasons for doubting everything he wants to be in doubt about; the faith of these people is not a sanctifying faith.”
    On September 19, 1846, on La Salette,  two shepherd children saw the beautiful Lady weeping. The Lady’s sad and gentle manner contrasted sharply with the severity of her warning. This contrast was also reflected in the Church’s response: Although Blessed Pope Pius IX ordered the Bishop of Grenoble to construct a beautiful church on the spot of the apparitions and Pope Leo XIII crowned a statue of the Virgin of La Salette and gave the Sanctuary the title of Basilica, still many Bishops and clerics furiously opposed the message of La Salette and persecuted the seers unjustly.
    Bishops refused absolution to pilgrims to the shrine, attacked Melanie as “unbalanced”, even insane and eventually succeeded in repressing the message. To this day, Catholics are forbidden to discuss the message. There are still many faithful Catholics who believe the disparaging remarks about the message of La Salette, claiming that Melanie distorted her later writings, contaminating the message of La Salette with false apocalyptic visions. Their motto is the same as the unfaithful Bishops who fought Melanie in her lifetime, “La Salette, yes! Melanie, no!”
    Thus, they imply that Our Lady made an error in judgment when she chose to appear to Melanie; that Our Lady entrusted Melanie with a secret, not realizing that Melanie was “deranged”. We see this same arrogance in the modernist prelates who implied similarly that Sister Lucia was somehow mistaken in her understanding of the revelation Our Lady entrusted to her. By denigrating the messenger, whether Melanie or Lucia, they impugn Our Lady indirectly, and cast the message into doubt.

    OUR LADY RESPONDS
    Our Lady then responded to this arbitrary act of disobedience with her eloquent silent tableaux in Knock, Ireland which was impossible to censure. Then came Lourdes and eventually Fatima. All the visits were warnings and messages which were ignored, manipulated or suppressed. The most egregious of the suppressions was Fatima’s message, after which it became necessary for Our Lady to return once more, to Akita in order to give the final warning. Indeed, the severe warning given by Our Lady of Akita, which was presaged at La Salette, is resonating even more loudly now than when first given. For today we see the prophecies of La Salette and Akita being fulfilled even as the vast majority of Catholics, especially the hierarchy, continues to ignore the prophecy of Our Lady of Fatima as irrelevant.
    “… the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. … greater than the deluge, … Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, … The survivors … will envy the dead. … recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. … the devil will infiltrate … the Church … The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed … Churches and altars will be sacked. … The demon will be especially implacable against the souls consecrated to God. … If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them. … Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.“ (Fatima, Akita and the Chastisement)
    We will not review the entire story of La Salette as it has been recounted already; but only discuss an aspect which is often overlooked: The response of many Bishops and eventually of the Vatican itself, a response that still prejudices many against the message of La Salette and particularly against the messenger herself, Melanie Calvat. In time, in subsequent postings, we will show that it is precisely her battle against satan and his minions working within the Church that is the common thread in all of Our Lady’s apparitions since Guadalupe. In fact, Our Lady presents herself to us in her magnificent vision at Guadalupe as victorious over the serpent; that is, we begin with her victory just as we shall end with her victory!

    MASONIC INFLUENCE ON THE BISHOPS
    Although Bishop de Bruillard of Grenoble, the diocese in which La Salette is located, approved the message and the devotion after first obtaining the approval of Pope Pius IX, (now Blessed Pope Pius IX), he was succeeded by an unfortunate man, Bishop Ginoulhiac. And therein lies the root of the problem. To understand this we need to go back in time to the beginning of the 19th century. In the aftermath of the terrible French Revolution, Pope Pius VII agreed to sign a Concordat with Napoleon Bonaparte which he hoped would allow some measure of peace and freedom to the Church in France.
    Among the concessions granted to Napoleon’s government was that which gave the government the right to nominate bishops for the approval of the pope. Sadly, this allowed an opening for those who were favorable to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or even to those who were secretly members. Since membership is a strictly held secret, we do not have any sure way of knowing if that was the case in this instance. However, we do know, quite irrefutably, that Bishop de Bruillard’s successor, Bishop Achille Ginoulhiac, who was a close friend of Louis Napoleon III, a freemason, became an implacable enemy of Melanie and did his utmost to undercut the message of La Salette, while ostensibly giving a semblance of support for the devotion, similar to the way modernist prelates have damned Fatima with faint praise and sly aspersions. “By their fruits…”
    The reason we recount this here is to note that even as early as 1846, the dark forces of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ were aligning themselves against the faith, exactly as Our Lady of Good Success had warned centuries earlier, even before Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ had been publicly declared. Our Lady appeared on the mountainside in 1846 to show the shepherds – and us – her sorrow and to warn us all, as she had done earlier at her visits at Quito and Rue de Bac and would subsequently do in her apparitions at Knock, Lourdes and Fatima. Thus, we have been warned repeatedly by our Loving Mother and should by now be confirmed in that knowledge. For today we merely note that a most remarkable enmity was aroused against Melanie and her message.

    TRAGIC END OF THE FOUR FRENCH BISHOPS
    “Four French bishops made it their business to stifle people’s belief in the apparition. But… all four of them died a tragic and mysterious death.
    • Bishop Ginoulhiac of Grenoble who had had little Melanie shut up in an English Convent to keep her quiet, died shortly afterwards in a lunatic asylum.
    • His successor, Bishop Fava, who did everything in his power to stop the spread of news of the apparition, was found dead flat on the floor, naked, his eyes bulging and his fists clenched.
    • Bishop Gilbert of Amiens (and later of Bordeaux), who had said: ‘The secret of La Salette is nothing but a tissue of anti-religion, lies and exaggerations’, was found a short time later, on August 16, 1889, dead in his room stretched out on the floor; and during his funeral the coffin fell off the catafalque.
    • Archbishop Darboy of Paris, who himself interrogated Maximin and did violence to his mind with questions about ideologies so as to get at the secret of the boy: ‘The words of your beautiful Lady are at times just stupid, as your secret will prove stupid.’  But the boy answered: ‘It is as certain that I saw the beautiful Lady as I am certain that within three years you will be shot dead.’  On May 24, 1871 that prophecy came true: the Archbishop was shot dead by the assassins of the Paris commune.”
    The above quote (which I have edited slightly for clarity) is widely reprinted on the internet with the names of Bishop Jacques-Marie-Achille Ginoulhiac and Archbishop Georges Darboy misspelled. The quote comes originally from Abbe Gouin’s book, ““.
    We thus see that the Age of Apostasy began with the arch heretic Martin Luther. Our Lord Jesus Christ responded to satan’s assault by offering us anew His most Sacred Heart. This beautiful devotion was first offered to France, particularly to her King who ignored it until it was too late. Disobedient France is today struggling in darkness because of that indifference. Our Lord then sent His beloved Mother to us, to Guadalupe, to Quito, and so on. Over the centuries, the message should have distilled and clarified within the community of Our Lady’s faithful children. Do you think this has happened? On the contrary, there is confusion among us.
    Now, this age of apostasy, which began with the rebellious priest Martin Luther, is drawing to a climax through the diabolical forces occupying the Vatican. In fact, the present occupant is preparing to honor Martin Luther next month. And so we see the  dog return to his vomit. What will Heaven’s response be? After 500 years of warnings?

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    Re: The apparition at Knock Ireland
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  • This is an old lie.
    Look deeper.

    In ““, Solange Hertz wrote of the strident resistance to the message of La Salette which arose not so much from outside the Church as from within the Church herself, “despite the fact that the apparition enjoyed almost immediately the full approbation of the Church with rich indulgences granted to pilgrims and canonically approved miracles…”
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    The apparition itself was approved and enjoyed miracles, this is true. The Church also built a cathedral on the site of the apparition. The Church approved of all of this.

    What it did not approve, and in fact condemned, is the text that Melanie claimed to have been the secret she received from Our Lady.

    I agree the case is unusual inasmuch as the Church acknowledges that Our Lady did appear, while at the same time rejecting something the seer came out with 30 years later, but these are historical facts.

    The Church is the ultimate arbiter of private revelations; we must accept her judgment on what she says. If the Church says that Our Lady appeared at La Salette, but that a text published 30 years later by one of the seers is false, not doctrinally sound and must be rejected, even placing it on the Index of Forbidden Books, then we must accept that as well. Solange Hertz has no right to go against the judgment of the Holy Office or to promote anything on the Index of Forbidden Books.