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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Markus on December 18, 2018, 08:34:15 PM
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http://reignofmary.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-abandoned-coffee-saucer-another.html (http://reignofmary.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-abandoned-coffee-saucer-another.html)
An article I wrote about why traditional Catholics should use a saucer when drinking coffee, because I reflects a Catholic spirit.
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I actually have a whole tea set I use when people come over. But when I’m by myself is a regular mom mug 😂
This was an interesting read, and interesting take!
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What? And give up my souvenir colonoscopy coffee mug? Never! It's the only mug never stolen from the kitchen at work!
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What? And give up my souvenir colonoscopy coffee mug? Never! It's the only mug never stolen from the kitchen at work!
Hand it over, you revolutionary, you!
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First, I would say that although politesse can be employed even in the rudest of circuмstances, to intentionally (or, habitually un-intentionally) neglect the saucer is to establish a whole new state of soul while drinking coffee. Repeated on a daily basis, this state of soul will translate into other areas of life—mealtimes no doubt being the first casualty—and eventually create in you and your ambiences a rustic, hillbilly mannerism. I know from experience as someone working to overcome these deficiencies in myself and my own household.
I see you are overcompensating for your rustic hillbilly background with your pompous arrogant manner. Why should anybody be ashamed of the home and family God chose for him?
I found the article mainly a source of amusement, a bit like watching an episode of the two great BBC series, Yes, Minister, and Yes, Prime Minister. Markus, you would make a great Humphrey Applebee. IF you haven't seen it, you really must.
I can honestly say after reading your article, thank God I am just Catholic (rather than "tradtionalist") in spite of my never having owned a butter knife in 72 years of practicing the Faith. And my butter dish is plastic.
But if you ever come around we serve great Italian coffee. And you'd get a warm welcome.
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"Coffee is good for both the body and the soul." - Padre Pio
Anyone else ever see this quote?
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I see you are overcompensating for your rustic hillbilly background with your pompous arrogant manner. Why should anybody be ashamed of the home and family God chose for him?
I found the article mainly a source of amusement, a bit like watching an episode of the two great BBC series, Yes, Minister, and Yes, Prime Minister. Markus, you would make a great Humphrey Applebee. IF you haven't seen it, you really must.
I can honestly say after reading your article, thank God I am just Catholic (rather than "tradtionalist") in spite of my never having owned a butter knife in 72 years of practicing the Faith. And my butter dish is plastic.
But if you ever come around we serve great Italian coffee. And you'd get a warm welcome.
I actually got my tea set after watching Downton Abbey. I wasn’t hoping to bring some class in my life!
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What? And give up my souvenir colonoscopy coffee mug? Never! It's the only mug never stolen from the kitchen at work!
:jester: :facepalm: :jester:
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"Coffee is good for both the body and the soul." - Padre Pio
Anyone else ever see this quote?
No, but he's been attributed to saying many things, as an old Italian, Augustinian priest once told me.
For example: "The Jєωs are the enemies of Jesus Christ and our Holy religion".
But I do believe St. Pio said this about coffee and the Jєωs because it's Catholic, common sense.
Once read that the Little Flower was a coffee bug and praised Our Lord for creating the bean because it gave her more endurance in her religious studies.
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Just guessing, she used a petite French saucer & coffee-cup too?
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N’est-ce pas ? Mais qui!
And, Incredulous, so funny about the last bit of info. I was just getting ready to go help do up the chapel for Christmas, and decided to grab a little coffee to go to brace me for that religious duty! Good to have The Little Flower's approval - :incense:
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The article makes some good points, except the assumption that there is a conspiracy against the coffee saucer (specifically). I agree there is an attack on social customs, and the finer things of life, so that modern man is more "relaxed" and "casual" which, even if one doesn't want to admit it, affects a person's views of life, religion and, ultimately, God. If you are too casual with yourself, and your fellow man, you will be too casual with God.
Certainly, the gradual corruption of manners and social customs is due, in direct proportion, to the gradual belief in evolution and modern man's erroneous view that he is "just an animal" or "just 1 type of life among many in the galaxy". This depressing and subversive view of life is a direct attack on mankind's lofty purpose as heirs to heaven, sons of God and members of God's Holy Court in heaven. Certainly the devil is behind these evil thoughts!
Manners/customs used to be practiced regularly which were both a discipline and a celebration of the "dignity of man" (not to be confused with V2's abominable docuмent), which dignity is, as King David exclaimed, a wonderous thing to think about - how much God truly cares for us and how special we are in His eyes:
What is man that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
Thou hast made him a little less than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honour: and hast set him over the works of thy hands.
Thou hast subjected all things under his feet, all sheep and oxen: moreover the beasts also of the fields. The birds of the air, and the fishes of the sea, that pass through the paths of the sea. O Lord our Lord, how admirable is thy name in all the earth!
(Psalm 8, 4:9)
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N’est-ce pas ? Mais qui!
And, Incredulous, so funny about the last bit of info. I was just getting ready to go help do up the chapel for Christmas, and decided to grab a little coffee to go to brace me for that religious duty! Good to have The Little Flower's approval - :incense:
Yes, and God also made marijuana ... which brings relaxation. :laugh1:
roscoe, you there?
In all seriousness, though, it's amazing how many medicines God has created into nature ... from the poppy seeds from which we get pain relievers, to natural penicillin, to all manner of herbs which are useful for human beings. But I'm sure that all these things just happened to evolve by accident.
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I see you are overcompensating for your rustic hillbilly background with your pompous arrogant manner. Why should anybody be ashamed of the home and family God chose for him?
I found the article mainly a source of amusement, a bit like watching an episode of the two great BBC series, Yes, Minister, and Yes, Prime Minister. Markus, you would make a great Humphrey Applebee. IF you haven't seen it, you really must.
I can honestly say after reading your article, thank God I am just Catholic (rather than "tradtionalist") in spite of my never having owned a butter knife in 72 years of practicing the Faith. And my butter dish is plastic.
But if you ever come around we serve great Italian coffee. And you'd get a warm welcome.
Hold on a minute. I don't have a "rustic hillbilly background" and I don't know what gives you the idea I'm being "pompous" or "arrogant". The point I made is that many of my relatives and friends are far from the ideals, even if they are sincerely striving to do well.
That is why I don't speak of persons, rather, I'm speaking of principles and the ideals which we as Catholics should always be striving towards. I do not expect perfection, and definitely not overnight, from anyone, including myself.
I'm a convert to the Church and to traditionalism, and I am the only one in my family who is Catholic. I don't appreciate your Freudian terms like "overcompensating" or comparing me to some TV characters, because both are mis-charaterisations. I'll look up the show anyway, though. :)
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Hold on a minute. I don't have a "rustic hillbilly background" and I don't know what gives you the idea I'm being "pompous" or "arrogant". The point I made is that many of my relatives and friends are far from the ideals, even if they are sincerely striving to do well.
That is why I don't speak of persons, rather, I'm speaking of principles and the ideals which we as Catholics should always be striving towards. I do not expect perfection, and definitely not overnight, from anyone, including myself.
I'm a convert to the Church and to traditionalism, and I am the only one in my family who is Catholic. I don't appreciate your Freudian terms like "overcompensating" or comparing me to some TV characters, because both are mis-charaterisations. I'll look up the show anyway, though. :)
I note that the highlighted is a statement and not a question. Oh, well!
Ascetik, would you mind explaining what that "word" means, please.
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An inside joke from Discord that Mark and I are in.
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I enjoyed this article very much and agree with the author. Details are very important. My favorite part was this:
The Catholic spirit, the counter-revolutionary spirit, seeks to elevate all things that are lawful from baseness to a state as close to heavenly as possible in this valley of tears; while the Satanic spirit, the revolutionary spirit, seeks to debase all things so that men become like animals and brutes. So in the same way we sanctify the marriage bed by adhering to the teachings of the Church, so too must we sanctify the dinner table by adhering to the good customs of Christian civilisation.
I also just subscribed to this blog :)
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"Coffee is good for both the body and the soul." - Padre Pio
Anyone else ever see this quote?
No, but I know it is helpful in constipation and it might keep you awake to "watch and pray".
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No, but I know it is helpful in constipation and it might keep you awake to "watch and pray".
It's really bad when you overdose on it and get caffeine jitters in cold weather. People like me who do not drink it too often are the easiest to be effected, especially when a high metabolism is involved.
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I think if you take the article completely 100% literally it sounds a little pompous and silly, but he still makes a very good point. The point is how by making us discard the little formalities and mannerisms, our dignity and manners can eventually be worn down and discarded entirely. Compare street pictures of London in 1913 vs 2013. You'll notice straight away that the people were far better dressed in 1913. Even young boys dressed better than 30 year old men today. Today people strut around in gym clothes(but in $100 versions, to sate their materialism).
I think this ties in closely with the author's point. People slowly relaxed their standards of dress, which people used to take very seriously, in favour of comfort. They replaced looking respectable with looking fashionable, and even looking fashionable is only for special occasions. People actually take pride in how slobby they are, I hear people on the internet joking constantly about how they throw off their pants the moment they get home and walk around in their underwear. The sheer lack of self-respect! We didn't go from all wearing suits to dressing like slobs overnight - it was a slow gradual relaxation of standards that led to this.
We see a similar effect in people's own homes, but compounded by the fact that women in the workforce has meant much less time and energy put to cleaning. The coffee saucer then, is a metaphor for the little things that may not matter much, but which if abandoned can set us down a slippery slope. A coffee saucer or the lack thereof does not make one dignified or undignified, of course not. But the point is that if you let those little things slip, if you decide to be lazy in how you dress, if you decide to leave those dishes in the sink overnight, if you decide you can leave the walls another year unpainted and the lawn another few weeks uncut - that's how you start off on the long but certain slippery slope to becoming a lazy worldly slob like so many people have today.
So no, a little coffee saucer isn't the most important thing in the world. It hardly matters at all. But its decline does represent a very important drop in standards among the general population.
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I enjoyed this article very much and agree with the author. Details are very important. My favorite part was this:
I also just subscribed to this blog :)
Thank you!