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Offline Godefroy

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The 1892 Ralliement - Pope Leo XIII
« on: November 25, 2024, 08:59:59 AM »
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  • This Two Cities podcast is a timely reminder of how the Church, even pre-Vatican II just cannot grasp the utter evil of the democratic system. The encylical "Au Milieu des Sollicitudes" was when in 1892, the Church ordered Catholics to stop fighting the system and work from inside, under the assumption that the system wasn't inherently evil, even if the legislation was. 

    The podcast is in two parts. This second part here https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE? covers the ralliement, le Toast d'Algers of 1880 by the Cardinal Lavigerie, to prepare the ground for this and how poorly this was accepted by genuine conservative Catholics. The first part provides a little more context for those who are interested. 

    At the toast of Algiers Lavigerie, liberally announced 

    "When the will of a people has clearly asserted itself, when the form of a government has nothing contrary, as Leo XIII recently proclaimed, to the principles that can sustain Christian and civilized nations, when it is necessary, in order to tear one's country from the abysses that threaten it, to adhere without ulterior motive to this form of government, the moment comes to sacrifice all that conscience and honor permit, order each one to sacrifice for the love of the fatherland. […] This is what I teach around me, this is what I hope to see imitated in France by all our clergy, and in speaking thus, I am certain of not being contradicted by any authoritative voice."

    This toast moved the Overton Window towards the program of the liberals within the Church who just wanted to get on with life. 

    The Cardinal Lavigerie may or may not have been a freemason but the podcast mentions that his father and grandfather were. Pius the XIIIth's,  secretary of state was the Cardinal Rampolla, who was member of the O.T.O and was thus famously blocked from the papacy by a veto from Austro-Hungary.

    The Ralliement Encyclical "Au Milieu des Sollicitudes" of 1892 gained nothing for the Catholics but showed the masonic republic that the Church was not willing to put up a fight. The net result was the 1905 law regarding the separation of Church and state and futher plundering of the Church. 

    This is not just old history. Here is a very relevant youtube comment:

    " I was just dealing with this tension during the American elections. Even among all the Trads, I was very much an outlier in determining that I wasn’t going to participate in supporting Trump as the “lesser of two evils”… After having listened to your channel and Dr Deep State for several years, as well as several other similar channels and reading many books, I detached from the whole election drama. There was a fair amount of gaslighting from even Traditional clergy still arguing that not voting is a grave sin, but my conscience on the matter is clear. I’ll pray for Trump, he didn’t need my vote or consent. I had already figured the powers that be wanted him to win to further their agenda, and I’m not looking forward to 4 years of Trump like most of my fellow parishioners."

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    Re: The 1892 Ralliement - Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2024, 09:53:13 AM »
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  • This is a slight digression, except for the word Ralliement.

    I remember reading a talk by Archbishop Lefebvre where he kept using the word "rally" repeatedly.  So I was curious about that word.  I found this explanation:


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    *To see how important this concept of Railliement was in shaping traditional Catholic discourse, one can look at the biography of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais (Marcel Lefebvre).  In the translator’s footnote on page 533 of the English edition we find the term “Railliement” defined. 

    *Footnote 15 states:

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    (footnote from translator of Angelus Press edition)

    The French word “Railliement” (rallying) has a particular connotation in French traditional Catholic circles, recalling as it does the [Churchmen’s] appeal to French monarchists in 1890 to take part in the democratic process of the French Republic.  “Railliement” meant the royalists giving up trying to re-establish the monarchy, and banding together with moderate Republicans to defeat the influence of the anti-clerical Radicals and Socialists in the French parliament.  However, this involved putting aside monarchist objections to the Republic which saw it as an embodiment of the anti-Christian Revolution.  To traditional French circles, “Railliement” has, therefore, always represented political opportunism and coalition at the expense of principles.      

    Here's one of those passages where he kept using that word "rally": 

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    “We are convinced of this, it is they who are wrong, who have changed course, who have broken with the Tradition of the Church, who have rushed into novilties, we are convinced of this. That is why we do not rejoin them and why we cannot work with them; we cannot collaborate with the people who depart from the spirit of the Church, from the Tradition of the Church. ...  I think that it is that outlook that should guide us in our present situation. Let us not deceive ourselves by believing that these little breaking actions that are given on the right and on the left, in the excesses of the present situation, that we are seeing a complete return to Tradition. That is not true, that is not true! They remain always liberal minds. It is always the liberals who rule Rome, and they remain liberal. ...

    With that I think that I have said what I wanted to say to you, and given you a certain line of conduct in the present events, which perhaps are going to go even faster. There will be possibly other manifestations of putting the brakes on by the Vatican; and it is very, very dangerous for us to "rally" ourselves now. No rallying, no rallying to the liberals; no rallying to the ecclesiastics who are governing in the Church now and who are liberals; there is no rallying to these people. From the moment when we rally ourselves, this rallying will be the acceptance of the liberal principles. We cannot do this, even if certain appeasements are given us on the Mass of St. Pius V - certain satisfactions, certain recognitions, certain incardinations, which could even be offered to you eventually.  ...

    But as long as one is dealing with people who have made this agreement with the devil, with liberal ideas, we cannot have any confidence. They will string us along little by little; they will try to catch us in their traps, as long as they have not let go of these false ideas. So, from my point of view, it is not a point of doing whatever one can. Those who would have a tendency to want to accept that will end up being recycled.”
    (Archbishop Lefebvre, December 13, 1984, Address to the priests of the French District)

     (emphasis added) 



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    Re: The 1892 Ralliement - Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2024, 11:16:09 AM »
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  • Godefroy: I read your post. I agree with your beliefs.  I too did not vote only on proposals.  Trump and his administration do more than lean for Israel.  
    I do enjoy the readings of Pope Leo XIII and Cardinal Manning in those years.  If anyone knew what was coming, they certainly did. Pope Leo XIII experienced Satan at the tabernacle.  Cardinal Manning knew well of the 300 years of Martin Luthers destruction.

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    Re: The 1892 Ralliement - Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2024, 01:02:42 PM »
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  • Godefroy: I read your post. I agree with your beliefs.  I too did not vote only on proposals.  Trump and his administration do more than lean for Israel. 
    I do enjoy the readings of Pope Leo XIII and Cardinal Manning in those years.  If anyone knew what was coming, they certainly did. Pope Leo XIII experienced Satan at the tabernacle.  Cardinal Manning knew well of the 300 years of Martin Luthers destruction.
    Thanks Songbird. That's what makes this Ralliement all the more surprising coming from him. I use the spelling Ralliement as this is what the podcaster used.

    Anyone who is interested in the crisis in the Church would be well advised to listen to. He even quotes Mgr Lefevbre from "They Uncrowned Him" concerning the Ralliement.  Liberal Catholics took the Encyclical "Au Milieu de Sollicitudes" and took it's logical conclusion: The Vatican 2 council