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What is your primary temperament?

Choleric
3 (7.9%)
Melancholic
25 (65.8%)
Sanguine
2 (5.3%)
Phlegmatic
8 (21.1%)

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Offline Seraphina

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Re: Temperament
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2024, 01:03:31 PM »
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  • Where are the sanguines?
    Bishop Sanborn!

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #31 on: September 12, 2024, 10:43:14 PM »
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  • I did these tests and got these results. I always thought I was more introverted but this does sound about right when I really think about it.



    Hmmm the top half of the result from the fisheaters quiz seems kind of "horoscopey"
    I finally got around to reading about Melancholy and I must say it is quite accurate. 

    https://www.fisheaters.com/quizm.html

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    VII IMPORTANT POINTS IN THE TRAINING OF THE MELANCHOLIC

    1. It is necessary to have a sympathetic understanding of the melancholic. In his entire deportment he presents many riddles to those who do not understand the peculiarities of the melancholic temperament. It is necessary, therefore, to study it and at the same time to find out how this temperament manifests itself in each individual. Without this knowledge great mistakes cannot be avoided.

    2. It is necessary to gain the confidence of the melancholic person. This is not at all easy and can be done only by giving him a good example in everything and by manifesting an unselfish and sincere love for him. Like an unfolding bud opens to the sun, so the heart of the melancholic person opens to the sunshine of kindness and love.

    3. One must always encourage him. Rude reproach, harsh treatment, hardness of heart cast him down and paralyze his efforts. Friendly advice and patience with his slow actions give him courage and vigor. He will show himself very grateful for such kindness.

    4. It is well to keep him always busy, but do not overburden him with work.

    5. Because melancholics take everything to heart and are very sensitive, they are in great danger of weakening their nerves. It is necessary, therefore, to watch nervous troubles of those entrusted to one's care. Melancholics who suffer a nervous breakdown are in a very bad state and cannot recover very easily.

    6. In the training of a melancholic child, special care must be taken to be always kind and friendly, to encourage and keep him busy. The child, moreover, must be taught always to pronounce words properly, to use his five senses, and to cultivate piety. Special care must be observed in the punishment of the melancholic child, otherwise obstinacy and excessive reserve may result. Necessary punishment must be given with precaution and great kindness and the slightest appearance of injustice must be carefully avoided. 
     
    This whole article was eye opening and has helped me to better understand myself, this last section especially. Now I need to find out how I can undo the damage done by an incorrect upbringing that was contrary to my temperament. 

    Interestingly enough while I don't 'like' horoscopes I am a Taurus which is of the element of Earth
    "The bull, Taurus, ruled over the throat, neck, thyroid gland, vocal tract; and was affiliated with black bile (melancholy)."

    And I can definitely see the connections with the test, especially the mentions of black, blue and Saturn. Although I think there is a lot of 'self fulifillment' with these things.
    the season of Autumn, middle-aged adulthood (20-40), and the characteristics of "Cold" and "Dry.

    These were also true.... this is a little frightening how accurate this is.

    I did some quick research on the Planet Saturn and it's 'classical' meaning (astrology)
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    Saturn is associated with restriction and limitation.
    the themes of Saturn can seem depressing, but the planet brings structure and meaning to our world.
    Saturn knows the limits of time and matter. It reminds us of our boundaries, our responsibilities, and our commitments.
    Essentially, Saturn brings definition to our lives.
    Makes us aware of the need for self-control, boundaries, and limits.

    Saturn Keywords:


    • Structure & Boundaries
    • Limits & Discipline
    • Order
    • Conscience
    • Realism & Maturity


    Saturn’s glyph, or symbol, shows the cross of matter (reality) over the soul, representing the material nature of man reigning. :(


    Regarding the classical element of Earth.
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    Earth is one of the four classical elements in ancient Greek philosophy and science. It was commonly associated with qualities of heaviness, matter and the terrestrial world. Due to the hero cults, and chthonic underworld deities, the element of earth is also associated with the sensual aspects of both life and death in later occultism.

    Plato (427–347 BCE) believed the elements were geometric forms (the platonic solids) and he assigned the cube to the element of earth in his dialogue (another connection...)

    In Classical Greek and Roman myth, various goddesses represented the Earth, seasons, crops and fertility,

    In ancient Greek medicine, each of the four humours became associated with an element. Black bile was the humor identified with earth, since both were cold and dry. Other things associated with earth and black bile in ancient and medieval medicine included the season of fall, since it increased the qualities of cold and aridity; the melancholic temperament (of a person dominated by the black bile humour); the feminine; and the southern point of the compass.
    I can see the overlap with Saturn. But it seems there is a lot of overlap everywhere, which is typically of these type of "astrology/horoscope" thingies.

    As for animal symbolism, I have seen different websites giving different opinions

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    PIG: highly intelligent, scholarly, easily angered, easily swayed and affected by emotions.

    Cat - Guardianship, detachment, sensuality, stealth, desire, liberty, pleasure, magic, lust, pride, vanity.

    Owl - Wisdom, truth, patience, darkness, a death messenger, divination, solitude, detachment, wisdom, change, totem of clairvoyants and mystics.


    Since the Renaissance
    OWL: The owl, since it hides in darkness and fears the light, has come to symbolize Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

    I won't attach much weight to these symbols even though some hit quite close to home, but I think the general information of melancholic temperament was quite accurate


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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #32 on: September 14, 2024, 05:19:59 PM »
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  • Bishop Sanborn!
    Just because I am a little clueless at times.  Is Bishop Sanborn a sanguine or did he scare them away (this idea was my sons)?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #33 on: November 27, 2024, 12:40:45 PM »
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  • Another personality test in common use: https://bigfive-test.com/

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #34 on: November 27, 2024, 04:01:45 PM »
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    Where are the sanguines?
    No offense, but you obviously don't understand the sanguine type, if you think they'd be on an online chat site.  Everything about this site is inherently unattractive to a sanguine.


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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #35 on: November 27, 2024, 04:33:48 PM »
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  • Definitely melancholic/choleric.

    The former is my general disposition, and while I've not always been all that melancholic, I definitely lean that way most of the time. These days I'm happy quite often but I still believe I default to slight melancholy, whereas in the past I was much more melancholic, and further in the past as a kid much less again. I've always been much closer to melancholy than sanguinity in any case - it's just that at different points in my life I've had more or less happy things to draw me away from that dispotion.

    The latter is because I have a bad temper and get frustrated or even angry quite easily. It has also varied and is definitely better than it was at some points in the past, but it's still an ever-present terrible habit which I think computers and the internet feed into.

    On that note - while I may get frustrated in discussions on CathInfo, the site itself never frustrates me. It's a relatively simple, traditional forum, but it just works. You can tell that the owner uses the site himself and cares that his users have a good experience, even if it doesn't have all the smells and bells of a modern site. But most modern sites frustrate me immensely, because they have so many anti-user features and/or "bugs" which could be so easily fixed if the owners or developers actually cared - but they don't. You click on something and the site immediately loads something so you click elsewhere, or some "helpful" functionality does something for you totally unprompted, or the site lets you browse for 2 seconds before demanding you log in to view anything else, or or or. A brief period I spent working in web design only strengthened these feelings.

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #36 on: November 27, 2024, 04:37:53 PM »
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  • No offense, but you obviously don't understand the sanguine type, if you think they'd be on an online chat site.  Everything about this site is inherently unattractive to a sanguine.
    I know.  I wasn't being serious. :cowboy:
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #37 on: November 28, 2024, 12:49:50 AM »
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  • Gray- when you have a moment- you may want to do some research as the true source of Meyers/Briggs.
    "Although the MBTI is often presented as a form of 'scientific psychology' par excellence, its Jungian origins mean that it has unconsciously inherited and reproduced concepts of astrological and alchemical cosmology. As Jung's analysis of personality derives conscious inspiration from his active interest in alchemy and astrology, contemporary users of the MBTI are inadvertently conducting a form of astrological character analysis."
    Alchemy and Astrology: The Occult Roots of the Myers-Briggs Test | thebereancall.org

    The test sounds nothing astrological to me. All are like common sense logical conclusion. Like "do you prefer staying alone" ↣Introvert / Extrovert. If they say it's related I think it's probably just a kind of advertisement to make it more popular.
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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #38 on: November 28, 2024, 12:53:56 AM »
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  • Interesting.  I’ve taken this test several times over many years, and come out INTJ,mapparently, the rarest personality type for females. 
    They always say it's the rarest but I think the traditional Catholic circle has a bunch of them! I think there's something to do with it, like you need to have deep thought to get in the circle and willing to be a loner enough to stay in it :smirk:
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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #39 on: November 28, 2024, 10:40:11 PM »
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  • That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so depressing on the forum sometimes. ::)
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #40 on: November 29, 2024, 02:28:19 AM »
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  • That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so depressing on the forum sometimes. ::)
    Melancholics aren't depressed, they are quietly reserved. I suspect that most of the useful information we find here, is written by those of a melancholic disposition, who are more included to think carefully before they type


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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #41 on: November 29, 2024, 07:07:01 AM »
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  • Melancholics aren't depressed, they are quietly reserved. I suspect that most of the useful information we find here, is written by those of a melancholic disposition, who are more included to think carefully before they type
    A synonym for depressing is cheerless.  Most of the topics lack a certain joy or hope.  That is what I meant be depressing.  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #42 on: November 29, 2024, 07:51:34 AM »
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  • A synonym for depressing is cheerless.  Most of the topics lack a certain joy or hope.  That is what I meant be depressing. 
    If one were prone to 'depression' (an imaginary illness invented by pharma) then that person would be advised to spending less time here. I suspect most have a very joyful life in the family but come to this forum for news and discussion. 

    There is much gallows humour here. 

    Most of us tend towards one of the 4 humours but Our Lord Jesus Christ had all of perfectly balanced. It's also noticable in any biography of saints, that they also tend towards this balance as their saintliness grows. St Peter was very sanguine initially, and Saint Paul very choleric but by the end of their lives it was difficult to detect this. 

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #43 on: November 29, 2024, 09:16:42 AM »
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  • Saying something is depressing does not equate to depression.  I am not sure why you keep connecting the two.  Let me use a better word in my quote.

    That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so cheerless on the forum sometimes. ::)
    Meaning that the forum has this reserved quality because it is so heavily influenced by melancholics.  It was truly just an observational comment and not meant to be interpreted as I was depressed.

    One of my pride issues is being misunderstood, which seems to happen a lot on here.  Oh well.  C'est la vie.  I will try to communicate better in the future.

    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Temperament
    « Reply #44 on: November 29, 2024, 11:53:12 AM »
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  • Another personality test in common use: https://bigfive-test.com/


    I heard that this is a better predictor of your natural tendencies and vices and it is a better tool to help you understand your self.  I am not sure how to use it, though.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"