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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Gray2023 on August 07, 2024, 11:06:29 AM
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I have always had an interest in people.
This article explains temperaments pretty well https://www.goodcatholic.com/a-catholic-guide-to-the-four-temperaments/
In the link above, there is a test, if you are a test taking kind of person.
If you want to share, please reply.
Thank you
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I have always had an interest in people.
This article explains temperaments pretty well https://www.goodcatholic.com/a-catholic-guide-to-the-four-temperaments/
In the link above, there is a test, if you are a test taking kind of person.
If you want to share, please reply.
Thank you
Please ignore the post-V2 stuff, like "Saint" J23.
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I guess I am melancholic.
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:( Mostly melancholic, occasionally phlegmatic when necessary. :smirk:
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I am more melancholic, but phlegmatic is a very close second.
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Most people have a primary temperament and a secondary temperament. Myers brigg came out with 16 types, that somewhat correspond to the primary and the secondary temperament. I think these are helpful in knowing yourself and understanding others better. It is no way a box to stay in, but just a tool to use. If you use your personality as an excuse to stay as you are, then you are not becoming the person God meant for you to be.
Here is an interesting chart.
(https://i.imgur.com/7qNb9Rv.jpeg)
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Most people have a primary temperament and a secondary temperament. Myers brigg came out with 16 types, that somewhat correspond to the primary and the secondary temperament. I think these are helpful in knowing yourself and understanding others better. It is no way a box to stay in, but just a tool to use. If you use your personality as an excuse to stay as you are, then you are not becoming the person God meant for you to be.
Here is an interesting chart.
(https://i.imgur.com/7qNb9Rv.jpeg)
Gray- when you have a moment- you may want to do some research as the true source of Meyers/Briggs.
"Although the MBTI is often presented as a form of 'scientific psychology (https://www.thebereancall.org/taxonomy/term/56/psychology)' par excellence, its Jungian origins mean that it has unconsciously inherited and reproduced concepts of astrological and alchemical cosmology. As Jung's analysis of personality derives conscious inspiration from his active interest in alchemy and astrology, contemporary users of the MBTI are inadvertently conducting a form of astrological character analysis."
Alchemy and Astrology: The Occult Roots of the Myers-Briggs Test | thebereancall.org (https://www.thebereancall.org/content/alchemy-and-astrology-occult-roots-myers-briggs-test?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=)
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Gray- when you have a moment- you may want to do some research as the true source of Meyers/Briggs.
"Although the MBTI is often presented as a form of 'scientific psychology (https://www.thebereancall.org/taxonomy/term/56/psychology)' par excellence, its Jungian origins mean that it has unconsciously inherited and reproduced concepts of astrological and alchemical cosmology. As Jung's analysis of personality derives conscious inspiration from his active interest in alchemy and astrology, contemporary users of the MBTI are inadvertently conducting a form of astrological character analysis."
Alchemy and Astrology: The Occult Roots of the Myers-Briggs Test | thebereancall.org (https://www.thebereancall.org/content/alchemy-and-astrology-occult-roots-myers-briggs-test?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=)
I don't even know how to proceed. Is psychology just a completely irrational science? Is the study of the human will, intellect, and emotions all of the occult? Where is the Catholic thought on this? I read one Catholic book, written by a priest I think, and it had hardly anything on the phlegmatic.
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I don't even know how to proceed. Is psychology just a completely irrational science? Is the study of the human will, intellect, and emotions all of the occult? Where is the Catholic thought on this? I read one Catholic book, written by a priest I think, and it had hardly anything on the phlegmatic.
Pretty sure Jung was Jєωιѕн, psychology and psychiatry are most likely Jєωιѕн pseudo-science with some degrees of truth to them.
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Pretty sure Jung was Jєωιѕн, psychology and psychiatry are most likely Jєωιѕн pseudo-science with some degrees of truth to them.
No, he wasn’t Jєωιѕн. His family was part of the Swiss Reformed Church though he was to become basically a pantheist.
I don't even know how to proceed. Is psychology just a completely irrational science? Is the study of the human will, intellect, and emotions all of the occult? Where is the Catholic thought on this? I read one Catholic book, written by a priest I think, and it had hardly anything on the phlegmatic.
I was employed at the front desk of a London Jungian Institute for 2 years. (It was ecuмenical). I loved it and found it fascinating at the time. No, psychology is not a completely irrational science but it is much misused.
I can’t answer about Catholic thought but I believe it is applicable in the Catholic situation.
Beware, just because a book is written by a Catholic priest doesn’t make it worthwhile reading, though of course you know this already.
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No, he wasn’t Jєωιѕн. His family was part of the Swiss Reformed Church though he was to become basically a pantheist.
I was employed at the front desk of a London Jungian Institute for 2 years. (It was ecuмenical). I loved it and found it fascinating at the time. No, psychology is not a completely irrational science but it is much misused.
I can’t answer about Catholic thought but I believe it is applicable in the Catholic situation.
Beware, just because a book is written by a Catholic priest doesn’t make it worthwhile reading, though of course you know this already.
Thank you for response, Nadir.
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Aaron Kheriaty is a Catholic psychiatrist. He has written books and has made appearances in various podcasts and on YouTube. I think you might like his writings. He was also against the vaccine and lost his job because of his fight against it.
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Aaron Kheriaty is a Catholic psychiatrist. He has written books and has made appearances in various podcasts and on YouTube. I think you might like his writings. He was also against the vaccine and lost his job because of his fight against it.
A little different from psychology, though.
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Most people have a primary temperament and a secondary temperament. Myers brigg came out with 16 types, that somewhat correspond to the primary and the secondary temperament. I think these are helpful in knowing yourself and understanding others better. It is no way a box to stay in, but just a tool to use. If you use your personality as an excuse to stay as you are, then you are not becoming the person God meant for you to be.
Here is an interesting chart.
(https://i.imgur.com/7qNb9Rv.jpeg)
Interesting. I’ve taken this test several times over many years, and come out INTJ,mapparently, the rarest personality type for females.
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Aaron Kheriaty is a Catholic psychiatrist. He has written books and has made appearances in various podcasts and on YouTube. I think you might like his writings. He was also against the vaccine and lost his job because of his fight against it.
Thank you. I will look into him.
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Interesting. I’ve taken this test several times over many years, and come out INTJ,mapparently, the rarest personality type for females.
Thank you for sharing, Seraphina.
I have tested as an infj. Supposedly it's the rarest. My perfectionist (melancholy) and my sloth (phlegmatic) are constantly at war.
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Interesting. I’ve taken this test several times over many years, and come out INTJ,mapparently, the rarest personality type for females.
My husband and I test for INTJ. I took a test in 2021.
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I just took the 16 personality test and it said that I was a ln ISTJ, which according to Gray's chart means I am a pure melancholic and about half introverted and half extroverted. 😅
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No, he wasn’t Jєωιѕн. His family was part of the Swiss Reformed Church though he was to become basically a pantheist.
I was employed at the front desk of a London Jungian Institute for 2 years. (It was ecuмenical). I loved it and found it fascinating at the time. No, psychology is not a completely irrational science but it is much misused.
I can’t answer about Catholic thought but I believe it is applicable in the Catholic situation.
Beware, just because a book is written by a Catholic priest doesn’t make it worthwhile reading, though of course you know this already.
You are right, I was thinking of Sigmund Freud who was Jєωιѕн.
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You are right, I was thinking of Sigmund Freud who was Jєωιѕн.
Freud and Jung started out as associates in terms of psychology. They ended up hating each other!
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I did these tests and got these results. I always thought I was more introverted but this does sound about right when I really think about it.
Hmmm the top half of the result from the fisheaters quiz seems kind of "horoscopey"
(https://i.imgur.com/Q5YsRTl.png)
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Hmmm the top half of the result from the fisheaters quiz seems kind of "horoscopey"
(https://i.imgur.com/Q5YsRTl.png)
Interestingly enough while I don't 'like' horoscopes I am a Taurus which is of the element of Earth
"The bull, Taurus, ruled over the throat, neck, thyroid gland, vocal tract; and was affiliated with black bile (melancholy)."
And I can definitely see the connections with the test, especially the mentions of black, blue and Saturn. Although I think there is a lot of 'self fulifillment' with these things.
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I am an INTJ, although the first time I took one of those tests it told me I was possessed.:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:
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Where are the sanguines?
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Where are the sanguines?
I just took the test and got sanguine. Although when I first heard about the 4 personalities, I always thought I was melancholic.
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(https://i.imgur.com/F64hGhU.png)(https://i.imgur.com/ZDrgebv.png)
I did these tests and got these results. I always thought I was more introverted but this does sound about right when I really think about it.
Are the links to these tests in the thread? I think I've taken the top one at one time, but I can't remember the result. The second one doesn't look familiar to me.
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Are the links to these tests in the thread? I think I've taken the top one at one time, but I can't remember the result. The second one doesn't look familiar to me.
Personality quiz
https://www.gotoquiz.com/personality_plus_6
16 type quiz
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
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Sad….
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Sad….
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Sad.. my Daddy died, Nadir died.
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Where are the sanguines?
Bishop Sanborn!
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I did these tests and got these results. I always thought I was more introverted but this does sound about right when I really think about it.
Hmmm the top half of the result from the fisheaters quiz seems kind of "horoscopey"
I finally got around to reading about Melancholy and I must say it is quite accurate.
https://www.fisheaters.com/quizm.html
VII IMPORTANT POINTS IN THE TRAINING OF THE MELANCHOLIC
1. It is necessary to have a sympathetic understanding of the melancholic. In his entire deportment he presents many riddles to those who do not understand the peculiarities of the melancholic temperament. It is necessary, therefore, to study it and at the same time to find out how this temperament manifests itself in each individual. Without this knowledge great mistakes cannot be avoided.
2. It is necessary to gain the confidence of the melancholic person. This is not at all easy and can be done only by giving him a good example in everything and by manifesting an unselfish and sincere love for him. Like an unfolding bud opens to the sun, so the heart of the melancholic person opens to the sunshine of kindness and love.
3. One must always encourage him. Rude reproach, harsh treatment, hardness of heart cast him down and paralyze his efforts. Friendly advice and patience with his slow actions give him courage and vigor. He will show himself very grateful for such kindness.
4. It is well to keep him always busy, but do not overburden him with work.
5. Because melancholics take everything to heart and are very sensitive, they are in great danger of weakening their nerves. It is necessary, therefore, to watch nervous troubles of those entrusted to one's care. Melancholics who suffer a nervous breakdown are in a very bad state and cannot recover very easily.
6. In the training of a melancholic child, special care must be taken to be always kind and friendly, to encourage and keep him busy. The child, moreover, must be taught always to pronounce words properly, to use his five senses, and to cultivate piety. Special care must be observed in the punishment of the melancholic child, otherwise obstinacy and excessive reserve may result. Necessary punishment must be given with precaution and great kindness and the slightest appearance of injustice must be carefully avoided.
This whole article was eye opening and has helped me to better understand myself, this last section especially. Now I need to find out how I can undo the damage done by an incorrect upbringing that was contrary to my temperament.
Interestingly enough while I don't 'like' horoscopes I am a Taurus which is of the element of Earth
"The bull, Taurus, ruled over the throat, neck, thyroid gland, vocal tract; and was affiliated with black bile (melancholy)."
And I can definitely see the connections with the test, especially the mentions of black, blue and Saturn. Although I think there is a lot of 'self fulifillment' with these things.
the season of Autumn, middle-aged adulthood (20-40), and the characteristics of "Cold" and "Dry.
These were also true.... this is a little frightening how accurate this is.
I did some quick research on the Planet Saturn and it's 'classical' meaning (astrology)
Saturn is associated with restriction and limitation.
the themes of Saturn can seem depressing, but the planet brings structure and meaning to our world.
Saturn knows the limits of time and matter. It reminds us of our boundaries, our responsibilities, and our commitments.
Essentially, Saturn brings definition to our lives.
Makes us aware of the need for self-control, boundaries, and limits.
Saturn Keywords:
- Structure & Boundaries
- Limits & Discipline
- Order
- Conscience
- Realism & Maturity
Saturn’s glyph, or symbol, shows the cross of matter (reality) over the soul, representing the material nature of man reigning. :(
Regarding the classical element of Earth.
Earth is one of the four classical elements in ancient Greek philosophy and science. It was commonly associated with qualities of heaviness, matter and the terrestrial world. Due to the hero cults, and chthonic underworld deities, the element of earth is also associated with the sensual aspects of both life and death in later occultism.
Plato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato) (427–347 BCE) believed the elements were geometric forms (the platonic solids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid)) and he assigned the cube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube) to the element of earth in his dialogue (another connection...)
In Classical Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) and Roman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mythology) myth, various goddesses represented the Earth, seasons, crops and fertility,
In ancient Greek medicine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_in_ancient_Greece), each of the four humours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_humours) became associated with an element. Black bile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholia) was the humor identified with earth, since both were cold and dry. Other things associated with earth and black bile in ancient and medieval medicine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_medicine_of_Western_Europe) included the season of fall, since it increased the qualities of cold and aridity; the melancholic temperament (of a person dominated by the black bile humour); the feminine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femininity); and the southern point of the compass.
I can see the overlap with Saturn. But it seems there is a lot of overlap everywhere, which is typically of these type of "astrology/horoscope" thingies.
As for animal symbolism, I have seen different websites giving different opinions
PIG: highly intelligent, scholarly, easily angered, easily swayed and affected by emotions.
Cat - Guardianship, detachment, sensuality, stealth, desire, liberty, pleasure, magic, lust, pride, vanity.
Owl - Wisdom, truth, patience, darkness, a death messenger, divination, solitude, detachment, wisdom, change, totem of clairvoyants and mystics.
Since the Renaissance
OWL: The owl, since it hides in darkness and fears the light, has come to symbolize Satan, the Prince of Darkness.
I won't attach much weight to these symbols even though some hit quite close to home, but I think the general information of melancholic temperament was quite accurate
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Bishop Sanborn!
Just because I am a little clueless at times. Is Bishop Sanborn a sanguine or did he scare them away (this idea was my sons)?
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Another personality test in common use: https://bigfive-test.com/ (https://bigfive-test.com/)
(https://i.imgur.com/2paUU0c.jpeg)
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Where are the sanguines?
No offense, but you obviously don't understand the sanguine type, if you think they'd be on an online chat site. Everything about this site is inherently unattractive to a sanguine.
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Definitely melancholic/choleric.
The former is my general disposition, and while I've not always been all that melancholic, I definitely lean that way most of the time. These days I'm happy quite often but I still believe I default to slight melancholy, whereas in the past I was much more melancholic, and further in the past as a kid much less again. I've always been much closer to melancholy than sanguinity in any case - it's just that at different points in my life I've had more or less happy things to draw me away from that dispotion.
The latter is because I have a bad temper and get frustrated or even angry quite easily. It has also varied and is definitely better than it was at some points in the past, but it's still an ever-present terrible habit which I think computers and the internet feed into.
On that note - while I may get frustrated in discussions on CathInfo, the site itself never frustrates me. It's a relatively simple, traditional forum, but it just works. You can tell that the owner uses the site himself and cares that his users have a good experience, even if it doesn't have all the smells and bells of a modern site. But most modern sites frustrate me immensely, because they have so many anti-user features and/or "bugs" which could be so easily fixed if the owners or developers actually cared - but they don't. You click on something and the site immediately loads something so you click elsewhere, or some "helpful" functionality does something for you totally unprompted, or the site lets you browse for 2 seconds before demanding you log in to view anything else, or or or. A brief period I spent working in web design only strengthened these feelings.
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No offense, but you obviously don't understand the sanguine type, if you think they'd be on an online chat site. Everything about this site is inherently unattractive to a sanguine.
I know. I wasn't being serious. :cowboy:
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Gray- when you have a moment- you may want to do some research as the true source of Meyers/Briggs.
"Although the MBTI is often presented as a form of 'scientific psychology (https://www.thebereancall.org/taxonomy/term/56/psychology)' par excellence, its Jungian origins mean that it has unconsciously inherited and reproduced concepts of astrological and alchemical cosmology. As Jung's analysis of personality derives conscious inspiration from his active interest in alchemy and astrology, contemporary users of the MBTI are inadvertently conducting a form of astrological character analysis."
Alchemy and Astrology: The Occult Roots of the Myers-Briggs Test | thebereancall.org (https://www.thebereancall.org/content/alchemy-and-astrology-occult-roots-myers-briggs-test?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=)
The test sounds nothing astrological to me. All are like common sense logical conclusion. Like "do you prefer staying alone" ↣Introvert / Extrovert. If they say it's related I think it's probably just a kind of advertisement to make it more popular.
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Interesting. I’ve taken this test several times over many years, and come out INTJ,mapparently, the rarest personality type for females.
They always say it's the rarest but I think the traditional Catholic circle has a bunch of them! I think there's something to do with it, like you need to have deep thought to get in the circle and willing to be a loner enough to stay in it :smirk:
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That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so depressing on the forum sometimes. ::)
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That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so depressing on the forum sometimes. ::)
Melancholics aren't depressed, they are quietly reserved. I suspect that most of the useful information we find here, is written by those of a melancholic disposition, who are more included to think carefully before they type
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Melancholics aren't depressed, they are quietly reserved. I suspect that most of the useful information we find here, is written by those of a melancholic disposition, who are more included to think carefully before they type
A synonym for depressing is cheerless. Most of the topics lack a certain joy or hope. That is what I meant be depressing.
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A synonym for depressing is cheerless. Most of the topics lack a certain joy or hope. That is what I meant be depressing.
If one were prone to 'depression' (an imaginary illness invented by pharma) then that person would be advised to spending less time here. I suspect most have a very joyful life in the family but come to this forum for news and discussion.
There is much gallows humour here.
Most of us tend towards one of the 4 humours but Our Lord Jesus Christ had all of perfectly balanced. It's also noticable in any biography of saints, that they also tend towards this balance as their saintliness grows. St Peter was very sanguine initially, and Saint Paul very choleric but by the end of their lives it was difficult to detect this.
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Saying something is depressing does not equate to depression. I am not sure why you keep connecting the two. Let me use a better word in my quote.
That is a lot of melancholics. No wonder it gets so cheerless on the forum sometimes. ::)
Meaning that the forum has this reserved quality because it is so heavily influenced by melancholics. It was truly just an observational comment and not meant to be interpreted as I was depressed.
One of my pride issues is being misunderstood, which seems to happen a lot on here. Oh well. C'est la vie. I will try to communicate better in the future.
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Another personality test in common use: https://bigfive-test.com/ (https://bigfive-test.com/)
(https://i.imgur.com/2paUU0c.jpeg)
I heard that this is a better predictor of your natural tendencies and vices and it is a better tool to help you understand your self. I am not sure how to use it, though.
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Another personality test in common use: https://bigfive-test.com/ (https://bigfive-test.com/)
(https://i.imgur.com/2paUU0c.jpeg)
My results were interesting. Does anyone want to share results?
If you don't think these tools used to evaluate ourselves is helpful, do you have some Catholic sources that have helped you to understand yourself and others?
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Anyone want to guess who the 3 Cholerics are? :laugh1: My guess: Matthew, Mark 79, and Ladislaus.
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Anyone want to guess who the 3 Cholerics are? :laugh1: My guess: Matthew, Mark 79, and Ladislaus.
I think they might be, but I also think that they wouldn't bother with this poll. :cowboy:
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I think they might be, but I also think that they wouldn't bother with this poll. :cowboy:
Good point. :laugh1:
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Does anyone want to share results?
Mine said I'm PITB.
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Mine said I'm PITB.
What does PITB mean? I am not familiar with that acronym.
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Mine said I'm PITB.
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:laugh1:
I figured it was suppose to funny, but I couldn't figure out.
I looked it up. :laugh2:
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What does PITB mean? I am not familiar with that acronym.
Pain
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Butt
According to the tests, I'm supposed to be an INFJ on the Meyers-Briggs classification system. I looked at several references as to what that means. The definition seems to vary depending on the expert, or maybe "expert" would be more correct. Some of them seemed to peg me right on, a couple seemed quite a ways off target, so I went with the one I know to be accurate, PITB. :laugh1:
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Pain
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Butt
According to the tests, I'm supposed to be an INFJ on the Meyers-Briggs classification system. I looked at several references as to what that means. The definition seems to vary depending on the expert, or maybe "expert" would be more correct. Some of them seemed to peg me right on, a couple seemed quite a ways off target, so I went with the one I know to be true, PITB. :laugh1:
Understanding people is hard. If you are an INFJ, then your temperament is primarily Melancholic and secondarily Phlegmatic. Does that sound right? I have studied them a lot because I am suppose to be one as well.
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Understanding people is hard. If you are an INFJ, then your temperament is primarily Melancholic and secondarily Phlegmatic. Does that sound right? I have studied them a lot because I am suppose to be one as well.
That sounds about right.
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The test says I am an INTJ-A. How does is translate into the classic four temperaments?
I see myself more of a phlegmatic.
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The test says I am an INTJ-A. How does is translate into the classic four temperaments?
I see myself more of a phlegmatic.
INTJ would translate to Melancholic Choleric, but if you say you are more phlegmatic then maybe you are an INTP. Other primary phlegmatic types are ISFJ, ISFP, INFP. What would you say your secondary temperament is? Our personality can get masked based on how we are treated by others. If we are accepted the way God made us, it is easier to tell. If we had to protect ourselves and adapt to others, it might be harder to tell.
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INTJ would translate to Melancholic Choleric, but if you say you are more phlegmatic then maybe you are an INTP. Other primary phlegmatic types are ISFJ, ISFP, INFP. What would you say your secondary temperament is? Our personality can get masked based on how we are treated by others. If we are accepted the way God made us, it is easier to tell. If we had to protect ourselves and adapt to others, it might be harder to tell.
I am definitely not Melancholic Choleric. I would say that I am a Phlegmatic and a bit of a Sanguine.
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I am definitely not Melancholic Choleric. I would say that I am a Phlegmatic and a bit of a Sanguine.
Then you are probably an ISFP. Google it and see if it matches up. Remember these are tools to use to help you understand yourself, so you can conquer your vices and enhance your virtues, so you can truly be the person God intended you to be.