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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Traditional Guy 20 on July 27, 2012, 08:57:02 AM
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Oh boy don't even get me started on this filthy film. Basically the creator of Family Guy (that explains the stupidity and vulgarity in this movie) creates this movie about this boy who wishes for his teddy bear to come to life. It then flashes to when he's an adult and he still lives with this teddy bear (what the hell?) and of course the romantic interest has to be a Jєωιѕн woman. :rolleyes: Not only is this movie absolutely idiotic but it is downright filthy with the teddy bear having a...well if you saw the movie you know...(uh no comment to that) and then the teddy bear falling in love with a co-worker (yeah don't ask). Anyway there is drug use, promusicity, and just plain stupidity in this movie but what can you expect from Hollywood?
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Why did you see it ?
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Critical examination.
In all honesty there is no moral difference between a 40's Hollywood movie and today's Hollywood movies, just that today is more up in your face, while back then had behind the scenes propaganda.
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Critical examination.
I am unfortunately exposed to TV when I waitress, and I can tell by the commercials that it must be horrible.
There must be some memorable and "classy" lines because a few of the patrons were quoting from it last night.
I will protect my daughter as much as possible from these things. I remember going to a friends house at maybe, age 11 (??) and seeing American Pie. Very, very sad.
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I am unfortunately exposed to TV when I waitress, and I can tell by the commercials that it must be horrible.
There must be some memorable and "classy" lines because a few of the patrons were quoting from it last night.
I will protect my daughter as much as possible from these things. I remember going to a friends house at maybe, age 11 (??) and seeing American Pie. Very, very sad.
Well I'm a grown man so I can watch that garbage with a critical eye but yes definitely shield your children from this Satanic garbage! And trust me "classy" to a Catholic and to an ordinary American are two different things. There is nothing good about that movie.
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I don't even go to movie theaters anymore. I just have no interest. Almost every movie put out by Hollywood is pure trash.
A teddy bear having a relationship with women? :tv-disturbed:
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Well I'm a grown man so I can watch that garbage with a critical eye but yes definitely shield your children from this Satanic garbage! And trust me "classy" to a Catholic and to an ordinary American are two different things. There is nothing good about that movie.
Do you ever worry that even with a critical eye that it might desensitize you?
Maybe this is one of those differences between men and women. I just know that when I am exposed to media, it is easy to tell myself it won't influence me because I know better, yet I think subconsciously, it still affects me.
Songs come on the jukebox that would be so offensive they would provoke a strong, negative reaction from a sheltered traditional girl, but for me, I just sigh and try not to dwell on it. Because I don't react by being as appalled as I should, I know that I am unfortunately desensitized. This is why I want to quit my waitress job so bad. I can pretend it is just a part of life that I can't be sheltered from, but if it numbs my senses, it cannot be good for my soul.
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Critical examination.
In all honesty there is no moral difference between a 40's Hollywood movie and today's Hollywood movies, just that today is more up in your face, while back then had behind the scenes propaganda.
Traditional Guy 20,
I once thought like this, when I first converted to Tradition, which was around your age. Granted, I am only about 5 years older than you, but nevertheless, I thought I'd share the small bit of wisdom in this matter that I've gained in that time.
Here are three good reasons why one should avoid a movie like this altogether, even if one has a staunchly traditional Catholic mind:
1) It can be an occasion of sin. The Church teaches that we should avoid even the occasions of sin, since these frequently lead to actual sin. She even teaches that it can be a sin in itself (yea, even a mortal sin) to willingly, and with full knowledge, put oneself in a situation that could be an occasion of sin, depending on a number of factors which I won't go into here.
Now, judging from the trailers alone, there was a good chance that this movie could be an occasion of sin. In one scene of the trailer, we see Ted (the teddy bear) surrounded by immodestly dressed women, and it looks like their about to 'get down to business,' whatever that would be in the case of an artificial bear. That alone would indicate that the movie is likely to contain some sɛҳuąƖ content. If you missed the trailers, then the movie rating on the posters in the movie theater would also be a good indicator of the content of the movie. The rating usually contains content descriptors like "scenes of violence, nudity, sɛҳuąƖity, etc." This should be a tip-off as to whether this movie is appropriate for anyone to watch, let alone children.
2) By going to see these movies, you are giving money to Hollywood filmmakers which can be used to produce even more immoral movies.
You are also using your "dollar vote" to say, "yes, Hollywood, this is the type of movie I like to see! Please produce more of this!"
3) It can be a source of scandal to others. Yes, I know, sometimes some people should just mind their own business. Still, going to see movies with immodesty and/or sɛҳuąƖ content can set a bad example for other Catholics, particularly the young. It can also lead to non-Catholics pointing their finger at us and saying, 'see, those Catholics are hypocrites! They don't practice what they preach. They always talk about sɛҳuąƖ immorality, but then when a movie like this comes out, they flock to see it like everyone else!'
Those are just three good reasons I can think of off the top of my head to avoid seeing a movie like this. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.
I tell you all of this, not to judge you (for I've done the same thing myself numerous times), but to hopefully offer some guidance on the path to becoming a more fervent soldier of Christ.
Pax,
Jason
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I am unfortunately exposed to TV when I waitress, and I can tell by the commercials that it must be horrible.
There must be some memorable and "classy" lines because a few of the patrons were quoting from it last night.
I will protect my daughter as much as possible from these things. I remember going to a friends house at maybe, age 11 (??) and seeing American Pie. Very, very sad.
Well I'm a grown man so I can watch that garbage with a critical eye but yes definitely shield your children from this Satanic garbage! And trust me "classy" to a Catholic and to an ordinary American are two different things. There is nothing good about that movie.
"Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall."
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Before we get all morally self-righteous here I'd like to point out those of you who buy and watch old Hollywood films are doing the exact same thing as me. If you think those films are any better you are naive.
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Holllywood was started by and has always been of the ѕуηαgσgυє of satan. And yes even back then it was full of sex and filth, just mmore low key due to thhe Chhristian morals of America. Ii read that some of the first films ever made were porn. I dont watch tv but even growing up i was educated enough to see the seexual innuendo in looney tunes cartoons. Hhappened to catch a cartoon my niece was watching the other day and omg, i was shocked at how blatantt they are now.
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Before we get all morally self-righteous here I'd like to point out those of you who buy and watch old Hollywood films are doing the exact same thing as me. If you think those films are any better you are naive.
Granted, but did you really have to go see this movie to confirm that it was smut? The whole exercise seems to be a waste of time. Why not spend the 2 hours reading an edifying book and saving $10, or however much it costs for a movie ticket these days?
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I'm not going to say the old films were good but the Catholic bishops before Vatican II helped to prevent the casual transgression of decency.
It's one thing to say Hollywood has always been bad, it's quite another to say the movies haven't gotten worse.
They have gotten much worse. You'd have to be desensitized to not recognize the difference.
In fact it may well be the reason so many people are not interested in movies that could have passed muster in the old days is the result of desensitization.
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Before we get all morally self-righteous here I'd like to point out those of you who buy and watch old Hollywood films are doing the exact same thing as me. If you think those films are any better you are naive.
Nobody's trying to be morally self-righteous. I've even said that I've done the same thing countless times, and I'll likely do so again. But I think you need to move your thinking beyond, "it's OK, it doesn't affect me" to "hmm, maybe it's not OK." It's the gift of guilt! :wink: Eventually, the guilt will get to you and you'll start to do the right thing instead. But if you keep thinking, "oh, there's nothing wrong with it," then you're never going to advance in the spiritual life. Step one is acknowledging the problem (or that there even is a problem); only then can you begin to address said problem.
It's like Alcoholics Anonymous, but for all sins, not just drunkenness. Think of this forum (and by extension, the whole Church, of which we are a part) as Sinners Anonymous. None of us are perfect, but we can strive to help each other to overcome our many imperfections! :smile:
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You know that each TV Spot, newspaper ad and virtually any ad for the movie says
"Rated R for Crude and sɛҳuąƖ Content, Pervasive Language and Some Drug Use."
So you were going to see just how crude and sɛҳuąƖ the the content was, how pervasive the language was and how many drugs "some" drugs are? Really? You went to see how bad it was? As if the TV spots couldn't confirm it for you?
Going to a movie like that isn't information that I think people should share with others. Would you go to a porn theater to confirm that porn was really playing there?
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You know that each TV Spot, newspaper ad and virtually any ad for the movie says
"Rated R for Crude and sɛҳuąƖ Content, Pervasive Language and Some Drug Use."
So you were going to see just how crude and sɛҳuąƖ the the content was, how pervasive the language was and how many drugs "some" drugs are? Really? You went to see how bad it was? As if the TV spots couldn't confirm it for you?
Going to a movie like that isn't information that I think people should share with others. Would you go to a porn theater to confirm that porn was really playing there?
Actually I never saw the commercials or TV spots for this movie. I didn't know what it was about.
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You know that each TV Spot, newspaper ad and virtually any ad for the movie says
"Rated R for Crude and sɛҳuąƖ Content, Pervasive Language and Some Drug Use."
So you were going to see just how crude and sɛҳuąƖ the the content was, how pervasive the language was and how many drugs "some" drugs are? Really? You went to see how bad it was? As if the TV spots couldn't confirm it for you?
Going to a movie like that isn't information that I think people should share with others. Would you go to a porn theater to confirm that porn was really playing there?
Actually I never saw the commercials or TV spots for this movie. I didn't know what it was about.
Before I go see a movie (which is EXTREMELY rare), I always make sure I know what it's about before I go see it. Saves me from wasting my time.
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Trad Guy, I'm truly curious so will you please answer this question?
Did you go see For Greater Glory?
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There have been very few good movies morally speaking. It is too bad also that even those with plots with substance are corrupted in some way or another. Hollywood, as was mentioned by Traditional Guy 20 earlier, is the same today and as yesterday morally but more obvious and forceful now.
Hollywood has been discussed here, but there film industries in other parts of the world that encourage just as much if not more depravity. That could go particularly for Mexican shows and movies, for example, although Mexico had films that actually had substance during their golden age of the 1940s and 1950s, but even then, there were some bad movies made there like in Hollywood. The upside would have been that the Church was much more likely to appear or be expressed in some manner in Mexican movies since Mexico was Catholic (in spite of its Masonic government which still persists today).
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Trad Guy, I'm truly curious so will you please answer this question?
Did you go see For Greater Glory?
If he didn't, he should if he still can!
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Trad Guy - did you go see "For Greater Glory'?
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Is that crickets I hear?
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There's no need to be smart.
No I did not see it.
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WHAT?! Not even for a "critical examination"?
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WHAT?! Not even for a "critical examination"?
Is it out on DVD?
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I have no idea. When it came out, I went to see it 'for a critical examination" & also to give support to a Catholic undertaking - in other words putting my money where my mouth is. I rarely go to movies as most are filth or just plain stupid so why should I fill my mind with such trash. It would be a sin.
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I have no idea. When it came out, I went to see it 'for a critical examination" & also to give support to a Catholic undertaking - in other words putting my money where my mouth is. I rarely go to movies as most are filth or just plain stupid so why should I fill my mind with such trash. It would be a sin.
Do you see old Hollywood films from the 40's and 50's?
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No, as a matter of fact. The only film I remember seeing was "The Robe". I rarely saw movies back then either. My real life was too full.
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& I rarely watch even old movies now.
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No, as a matter of fact. The only film I remember seeing was "The Robe". I rarely saw movies back then either. My real life was too full.
Well Hollywood was filthy back then as well being leftist and pro-Communist. My real life is full as well which is why I rarely see movies anyway.
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Correct about back then being filthy which is precisely why my parents didn't let us go to movies & then when I was on my own I didn't go either.
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Well I've watched old movies for the same reason: critical examination, although the movies definitely weren't as raunchy as they are now. I think the last good movie I've watched was The Passion of the Christ. Yeah I know real original.
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I only saw the Passion once & again to support a Catholic undertaking & I was disappointed for several reasons. I hear that many saw it many times & were greatly moved by it. I wasn't. Saying the Stations as a youngster in a little country church deeply moved me.
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Well it definitely was bloody, but for me it made me think of all Christ had to suffer for my evil sins.
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I would suggest you call off all movies in your life even for "critical examinations". (what an original excuse to look at trash!) because putting trash in your mind is a sin. Christ's words, not mine.
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Or else stop calling yourself Trad Guy. You're making a mockery of it.
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You needed a Hollywood movie to be aware of Christ's suffering for you!? How shallow can a person be?
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You needed a Hollywood movie to be aware of Christ's suffering for you!? How shallow can a person be?
Hey I was real young when that movie came out and I have just recently converted to Catholicism. Before you be morally superior here you'd best know of a guy's situation.
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Or else stop calling yourself Trad Guy. You're making a mockery of it.
I have views on things that might shock someone such as yourself.
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I'm definitely NOT morally superior to anyone, but you're the one constantly harping about traditional, anti-leftist, etc. things yet go see filthy movies for "critical examinations". I'm a bit annoyed with that. No, I'm much annoyed.
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I'm definitely NOT morally superior to anyone, but you're the one constantly harping about traditional, anti-leftist, etc. things yet go see filthy movies for "critical examinations". I'm a bit annoyed with that. No, I'm much annoyed.
Well I have yet to see a moral government put Disney out of business in this country...
I mean to me shouldn't a Higher Authority padlock these places so to speak. Even when you had the Church making sure films weren't raunchy in the 40's and 50's they were still filthy. In fact I don't even think "For Greater Glory" showed at my theatre. I just choose not to hide from these things, since they are a part of living in modern society. Besides I hear the same exact things at my job by my co-workers, in fact even worse. And yes I can watch those morally degenerate films but I know my views on things will stay the same. And if you are so annoyed by an anonymous poster on a forum that shouldn't even matter much, please go outside and take a run and get away from the computer.
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You needed a Hollywood movie to be aware of Christ's suffering for you!?
He never said that. He said it was a reminder of all that Christ had to suffer for his sake. What's wrong with that? Lots of things can remind us of His suffering and dying on the Cross for our sakes, and if a movie is one of those things, then that must be a good thing. Just because YOU weren't moved by the movie doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong for being moved to a deep sorrow for our sins from it. Actually, the only negative thing I can say about the movie was that the scenes on the Cross at the end of the movie were far too short. It seemed like they just rushed through the Crucifixion in order to cut the movie down to two hours. It should have been 2h30m at least.
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lefebvre fan, read his posts to get his drift. Trad didn't have a problem with that part of my statement. I never said that the Passion was bad either. It just didn't move ME. If you liked it, fine with me.
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Whenever a person can watch Passion of the Christ without being moved/saddened, it waves a red flag. How can you not be moved by watching Our Lord's sufferings? And how can you be so moved by "For Greater Glory" but not be moved by Passion of the Christ?
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It's a long story, SS, but yes it can happen. Also please pay attention - I said I wasn't moved by the MOVIE. The passion saddened me but I didn't need the movie to be saddened or moved. I was deeply moved by doing the Stations when I was young & it lasted a lifetime. Remember I said I had problems with some things in the movie so therefore it didn't grab me as it did most people. Saying what you thoughtlessly said about a red flag was unnecessary.
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lefebvre fan, read his posts to get his drift. Trad didn't have a problem with that part of my statement. I never said that the Passion was bad either. It just didn't move ME. If you liked it, fine with me.
Fair enough. Just out of curiosity, though, if you don't mine me asking: how old are you? I ask because, as someone who came to Tradition when I was about his age (18-19), I know from experience that at that time, you're still trying to figure stuff out. (Heck, I'm still trying to figure stuff out!) Plus, you've got peer pressure and raging hormones to contend with. It's very different from finding Tradition when you're older. At that age, you tend to be quite naive (again, I'm still pretty naive), and you don't have the advantage of life experience that someone older has. It might be good to be a bit more forgiving of such a person, no?
I'm not saying that we have to break out the guitars and start singing Kumbayah, but don't you think you're being a bit harsh on the poor fellow?
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lefebvre fan, thanks for your kind response. I'm as old as dirt. I could be Trad's grandmother. As far as 'finding tradition' I've always been a trad - even before it was a term so I never 'found ' it. It just was never lost to me. I left the NO in the early 70's & never looked back. My story is on the thread 'Changes' & continued in the Intros so shan't repeat it here. How old are you?
I put up with Trad all this time without laying into him. The Ted thread was the last straw. He's this young guy who seems to think he's now an expert. Maybe I was too harsh but he seemed so obdurate in seeing that you must not put filth in your mind that I needed to hit him over the head, so to speak, to wake him up.
His excuse is that he hears it at work all the time. I too worked in the world back in the stone age when it wasn't quite as bad but it was still bad. I never joined in & at breaktime would go off by myself or talk with the least offensive ones. Once I was asked if I was a narc!!! Another place & time I was asked if I had a man since I never joined in with their sex chats. Just before I left I told them about The Man I followed. After they picked their chins up off the floor, they cooled it with the filthy talk - at least around me & I had peace for the rest of the time. I always did my work well, never took off 'sick' & was cheerful & friendly to all. I bet they remember me to this day. Isn't that what we as Catholics & soldiers of Christ MUST do? What Trad is doing by going to these bad movies thinking he can 'handle it' is very dangerous. Excusing it by saying it's for critical examination is ridicuous. Someone had to tell him the truth. Sometimes that truth is harsh in this fluffy world.
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Well Thorn revolution never comes from the old but always the young, and we 'conservatives' need to be revolutionaries in this sick world. I said that this movie Ted was indeed sick and sinful. As for the 'I know more than you because I'm older' card I see no moral superiority of generations here. The 'Greatest Generation' got us into that mess called World War II, the reason the West is in decline these days, the baby boomers in sex, drugs, riots, rock n' roll and women's liberation, etc.
As I said it was a horrible movie and Catholics should not see it.
And l_f fan I thank you for your defense but I do see some merit in what Thorn is saying, especially about the movies. Hollywood is indeed sick and vile.
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anyone notice the mostly poor quality of films coming out that either are remakes or the usuall:
-gαy character
-foreigner, usually, a Brit.
-wimply, indecisive men
-know it all women
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anyone notice the mostly poor quality of films coming out that either are remakes or the usuall:
-gαy character
-foreigner, usually, a Brit.
-wimply, indecisive men
-know it all women
All part of the Frankfurt School and Hollywood ideology.
It is supposed to make minorities, women, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs as 'cool' or 'wise' while the normal white male is evil.
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Guy, I never had anything to do with any of that stuff of the GG. In the 60's I was working & looked upon the hippies as freaks of nature. I'm part of a small army striving to preserve tradition & teach the young - most of whom are pig-headed or oblivious & clueless. I taught my children & they are all knowledgeable about what's happening. You seem to consider yourself a 'revolutionary' but you're going about it all the wrong way. I still say you need to grow up & stop spouting off & absolutely swear off putting filth in your mind. Christ demands it. Be an example to others by the way you live & talk so that they know what a real Christian is - one who doesn't partake of the ways of the world or go to & talk about disgusting movies. We're to be in the world but not of this world. Quite a burden, I know.
And if you write 'Frankfurt School' one more time I'm going to puke on this keyboard.
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lefebvre fan, thanks for your kind response. I'm as old as dirt. I could be Trad's grandmother. As far as 'finding tradition' I've always been a trad - even before it was a term so I never 'found ' it. It just was never lost to me. I left the NO in the early 70's & never looked back. My story is on the thread 'Changes' & continued in the Intros so shan't repeat it here. How old are you?
I put up with Trad all this time without laying into him. The Ted thread was the last straw. He's this young guy who seems to think he's now an expert. Maybe I was too harsh but he seemed so obdurate in seeing that you must not put filth in your mind that I needed to hit him over the head, so to speak, to wake him up.
His excuse is that he hears it at work all the time. I too worked in the world back in the stone age when it wasn't quite as bad but it was still bad. I never joined in & at breaktime would go off by myself or talk with the least offensive ones. Once I was asked if I was a narc!!! Another place & time I was asked if I had a man since I never joined in with their sex chats. Just before I left I told them about The Man I followed. After they picked their chins up off the floor, they cooled it with the filthy talk - at least around me & I had peace for the rest of the time. I always did my work well, never took off 'sick' & was cheerful & friendly to all. I bet they remember me to this day. Isn't that what we as Catholics & soldiers of Christ MUST do? What Trad is doing by going to these bad movies thinking he can 'handle it' is very dangerous. Excusing it by saying it's for critical examination is ridicuous. Someone had to tell him the truth. Sometimes that truth is harsh in this fluffy world.
OK, I actually figured that you were probably an oldie who had resisted the changes in the Church way back when, but I didn't want to say anything lest I mistake someone's age and end up offending them. I'm glad you're here, perhaps you can knock some sense into us younger ones! :fryingpan:
Certainly, your points are valid, there's no arguing with that. I just thought that maybe you were being a bit harsh on him. But perhaps you're right, perhaps we all need a swift kick in the pants sometimes, lol.
As for my age, just click on my name and you'll see my birthdate. (Just to save you time, I'll be 26 in 3 days).
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anyone notice the mostly poor quality of films coming out that either are remakes or the usuall:
-gαy character
-foreigner, usually, a Brit.
-wimply, indecisive men
-know it all women
All part of the Frankfurt School and Hollywood ideology.
It is supposed to make minorities, women, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs as 'cool' or 'wise' while the normal white male is evil.
true, the homo-pushing is getting worse. Read as achild the "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Network" book and notice its all coming true and more and more daily.
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Guy, I never had anything to do with any of that stuff of the GG. In the 60's I was working & looked upon the hippies as freaks of nature. I'm part of a small army striving to preserve tradition & teach the young - most of whom are pig-headed or oblivious & clueless. I taught my children & they are all knowledgeable about what's happening. You seem to consider yourself a 'revolutionary' but you're going about it all the wrong way. I still say you need to grow up & stop spouting off & absolutely swear off putting filth in your mind. Christ demands it. Be an example to others by the way you live & talk so that they know what a real Christian is - one who doesn't partake of the ways of the world or go to & talk about disgusting movies. We're to be in the world but not of this world. Quite a burden, I know.
And if you write 'Frankfurt School' one more time I'm going to puke on this keyboard.
Go ahead then, I just said the fact that the Frankfurt School is Jєωιѕн and Marxist. And 'pig-headed' could be applied to the older folks as well, who think they know everything because they have been around longer. Never has a change in society happened through older people.
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I'm part of a small army striving to preserve tradition & teach the young - most of whom are pig-headed or oblivious & clueless.
This is a key point. Traditional Catholics have been under siege for fifty years. Three generations of Catholics under the age of 50 have no experience of life in a normal, traditional diocesan parish setting. Most people under the age of 50 don't even know what the traditional Faith is. The Novus Ordo is in chaos and implosion and Trads have been forced into enclaves to hang on to what we can. Normal is gone and we aren't getting it back until Christ restores the Church.
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You just won't quit even when you're ahead, will you, Guy?
You're completely wrong again!!! I've never thought or portrayed myself as knowing everything. Have you ever seen me in hard core discussions here? NO, because I know I don't know everything or even enough to contribute.
The NO came about because of the young???!!! See what I mean? You don't know what you're posting half the time. You really think your rantings are going to change society? You need a lesson is humility & respect.
You need to LIVE the Christian life first , & then maybe you can talk.
And you didn't JUST say about the Frankfurt School. You're CONSTANTLY putting it in almost all you posts. Enuf already.
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You are so right, catherineofsiena! I feel so sad for the youth of today who have no idea what we had & lost. No man can bring back the church at this point. It's going to take God himself as in the days of Noah.
Half my life I took the church for granted, & now we are left with this mess. Just a deep sadness.