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Offline JOANORCM

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Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
« Reply #150 on: August 26, 2021, 05:30:07 PM »
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  • My daughter's boyfriend has a tattoo on his forearm stating he is a Type1 diabetic.  His mom suggested it so that when he goes into diabetic shock and is in the ER unable to speak, medical professionals know why.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #151 on: August 26, 2021, 08:16:58 PM »
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  • Since when are tattoos a mortal sin??! Who is this crazy man?


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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #152 on: August 26, 2021, 08:18:07 PM »
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  • I don't have any tattoos.
    Context matters here, which the OP grossly fails to understand.
    Some tattoos can be a mortal sin, while others are not a sin.
    My opinion is that tattoos reveal a worldly spirit to some degree, and there is nothing really original or creative about them. They're permanent human cattle tags identifying worldly spirits of persons at the time they received the tattoos, but that doesn't mean they're still that way. There are sincere converts to Catholicism who were previously neo-pagans with tats.

    When I see Gen X, Millennials and younger with a bunch of tattoos, I see a walking joke.
    The old school bikers with tattoos, yeah, they were the real deal but still caught up in the wrong spirit.

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #153 on: August 26, 2021, 08:28:23 PM »
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  • The question should be, whether Tattoos are grave matter, or are per se grave matter, but not whether "Tattoos are a mortal sin".
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #154 on: August 26, 2021, 08:44:43 PM »
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  • My daughter's boyfriend has a tattoo on his forearm stating he is a Type1 diabetic.  His mom suggested it so that when he goes into diabetic shock and is in the ER unable to speak, medical professionals know why.
    People with health issues used to wear a bracelet that indicated what the issue was, fortunately it was easily removed. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #155 on: August 26, 2021, 08:47:18 PM »
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  • Is there a valid Catholic reason why, in the 20th or 21st centuries, any Catholic not living in a Muslim country can justify choosing to get a tattoo?
    My daughter's boyfriend has a tattoo on his forearm stating he is a Type1 diabetic.  His mom suggested it so that when he goes into diabetic shock and is in the ER unable to speak, medical professionals know why.
    Here you have answered a question that was also in my mind.
    In Rome I met a lovely coptic lady who had a small cross tattooed on her forehead.
    Also some young Lebanese men, at least here in Oz, proudly display tattoos which show their allegiance to Jesus.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #156 on: August 26, 2021, 08:55:54 PM »
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  • And in NZ https://www.newzealand.com/au/feature/ta-moko-maori-tattoo/

    THE MEANING OF TĀ MOKO, TRADITIONAL MĀORI TATTOOS


    Mount Hikurangi, Eastland, Tairawh


    Tā moko – the art of Māori tattoo – is a unique expression of cultural heritage and identity.

    In Māori culture, it reflects the individual's whakapapa (ancestry) and personal history. In earlier times it was an important signifier of social rank, knowledge, skill and eligibility to marry.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #157 on: August 26, 2021, 09:02:59 PM »
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  • And in NZ https://www.newzealand.com/au/feature/ta-moko-maori-tattoo/

    THE MEANING OF TĀ MOKO, TRADITIONAL MĀORI TATTOOS


    Mount Hikurangi, Eastland, Tairawh


    Tā moko – the art of Māori tattoo – is a unique expression of cultural heritage and identity.

    In Māori culture, it reflects the individual's whakapapa (ancestry) and personal history. In earlier times it was an important signifier of social rank, knowledge, skill and eligibility to marry.

    Montini surely would have loved such praise of man and his personal history.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #158 on: August 26, 2021, 10:56:17 PM »
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  • I don't like tattoos, I seriously doubt I would ever get one, but given that there are probable opinions either pro or con (mostly con), I cannot categorically condemn getting one.  Tattoos for purely medical purposes, such as a "Medic Alert"-type tattoo for diabetes, epilepsy, pacemaker, and so on, I can't see those as a problem (uniformity would be nice, so EMTs would know precisely where to look), and I also like the idea in the German military (IIRC during WWII) of tattooing a soldier's blood type under his arm (again, one uniform place).  I've also heard of putting a very small tattoo on the feet of identical twins, a small dot or something, to be able to tell them apart, especially useful for caregivers.  It could be placed inconspicuously so that it would be barely noticeable later in life.  I could get behind that too.  But a tattoo just for the sake of having one?  I'll pass.

    Piercings seem unproblematical, in that they will gradually "heal up" if the jewelry, brad, etc., is removed and left out for a time.  So they're not permanent mutilations.  But I don't have any of those either, and would not want one.

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #159 on: August 27, 2021, 05:28:02 AM »
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  • The question should be, whether Tattoos are grave matter, or are per se grave matter, but not whether "Tattoos are a mortal sin".
    Typically, speaking particularly of tattoos these days, getting oneself tattooed is a matter of exploiting one's own vanity by calling attention too or showing off their body or parts of their body, regardless of whatever other reason one uses for getting one.

    By nature we are all subject to vanity, which is pride, perhaps excessive pride, but we are not supposed to give into it. It is for this reason primarily that so many (not all) people these days, who "give in" and finally make the decision to get only one small tattoo, end up getting more and more. They do this in order to feed their pride, and often they don't even realize that that's what they're doing.  

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #160 on: August 27, 2021, 05:57:05 AM »
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  • People with health issues used to wear a bracelet that indicated what the issue was, fortunately it was easily removed.
    He has a metal allergy hence the tattoo.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #161 on: August 27, 2021, 07:05:16 AM »
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  • I have never met a Trad priest who did not teach that getting tattoed is a mortsl sin.
    I have never met one who said that a small tattoo was a mortal sin.
    I have never met one who has spoken on the issue.  

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #162 on: August 27, 2021, 07:30:28 AM »
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  • Yeah, I'm not just seeing it.  Based on what principle of moral theology is any tattoo grave matter?  I could see the gross excesses that some people go to, due to disfigurement of the body ... along with those gross piercings.  But to make an analogy with piercing, I can't see how a woman piercing her ears for some earrings would be grave matter, whereas those bizarre tongue piercings and nose piercings definitely cross a line.  I would think it's the same for a tattoo.  If it doesn't grossly disfigure the body, I can't imagine a principle of moral theology that would make it grave matter or even venial matter.  And probably some tattoos would be serious depending on what they were.  But a small cross tattooed on someone's upper arm, for instance, I just can't see it.

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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #163 on: August 27, 2021, 10:04:14 AM »
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  • Tattoos were forbidden in Leviticus. Don't know if that still applies under the new law like sodomy, or if it is like eating pork, no longer sinful. I always thought they were still sinful, but I know I could be wrong. I have heard that some Christians got religious tattoos, possibly Maronites or Copts, to identify themselves as Christians, and this was considered okay.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #164 on: August 27, 2021, 10:23:35 AM »
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  • Yeah, I'm not just seeing it.  Based on what principle of moral theology is any tattoo grave matter?  I could see the gross excesses that some people go to, due to disfigurement of the body ... along with those gross piercings.  But to make an analogy with piercing, I can't see how a woman piercing her ears for some earrings would be grave matter, whereas those bizarre tongue piercings and nose piercings definitely cross a line.  I would think it's the same for a tattoo.  If it doesn't grossly disfigure the body, I can't imagine a principle of moral theology that would make it grave matter or even venial matter.  And probably some tattoos would be serious depending on what they were.  But a small cross tattooed on someone's upper arm, for instance, I just can't see it.
    With piercings, it would be more a potential sin against modesty (in this case, adorning oneself flamboyantly and gratuitously, not a question of sɛҳuąƖ impurity), and a sin of pride and vanity (again, the flamboyance and "look at me!" factor, in the case of exaggerated and too-numerous piercings, or piercings in outrageous places), than a mutilation of the Temple of the Holy Ghost.  As I said above, piercings will heal back up in short order, if you leave them alone and don't put anything back through them.  The piercing, all by itself, is probably so trivial, as to be no sin at all.  Ultimately, I would defer to a traditional Catholic priest on that last point.