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Offline confederate catholic

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Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
« Reply #135 on: October 26, 2018, 05:26:41 PM »
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    • They were married in the US by Latin priests since the state had no eastern church, which by the canons invalidated it anyway
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #136 on: October 26, 2018, 08:31:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 26, 2018, 08:59:21 AM
    And in the above example, assuming the Eastern priests gave them all kinds of marriage preparation, how do they not know the weight of their marriage VOWS?  How did they not know divorce wasn't wrong?  I don't buy this.  Marriage as a lifetime committment has been culturally/globally-wide since the beginning of time.  If they truly "didn't get it", then they must've been partially retarded.

    Well, unfortunately, there's too much intermingling between Eastern Rite Catholics and their Orthodox counterparts, and the Orthodox believe that people can be divorced twice, married three times.  I'm guessing that perhaps they heard something along those lines from their Orthodox counterparts.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #137 on: October 26, 2018, 08:32:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 26, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
    Here is an example posted by you that directly contradicts your poor catechesis theory and confirms what I stated that it is very convenient "not to know".

    No, this priest encourages Confession, but at no point has he ever spoken of why it's necessary, and under what conditions (i.e mortal sin).  I'll have to bring that to his attention.  I've noticed a severe lack of theological "precision" among Eastern Rite Catholics, including their clergy.  On the other hand, this same priest gave a terrific sermon denouncing the notion that people can be saved by sincerity without Christ and outside the Church.  He spoke more strongly on this subject than I had ever heard from any non-Feeneyite Traditional priest.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #138 on: October 26, 2018, 10:08:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 26, 2018, 03:40:00 PM
    Yes, lots of Latin Rite refugees after Vatican II to the Eastern Rites. 
    It can go the other way, too. I saw a Ukrainian church get so fed up with a liberal N.O. biritual priest that several families started going to the "unapproved" Latin Mass in the area. The Ukrainian families went back when the Ukrainian church got a new Byzantine-trained priest.

    This thread has strayed from the initial topic. 
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #139 on: October 27, 2018, 11:21:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on October 26, 2018, 10:08:45 PM
    This thread has strayed from the initial topic.

    Ya think?  :laugh1:

    Yes, it got into the Eastern Rites due to several mentions of tattoos being commonly used by Eastern Rite Christians in Muslim territories.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #140 on: October 27, 2018, 11:43:12 AM »
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    • I though it was because someone claimed their priest said that Our Lady of Fatima said that 2 and 3 year olds go to hell.  This transitioned into a discussion of sacrament being administered to the very young.  It was a good discussion on the age of reason though.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #141 on: October 27, 2018, 11:48:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on October 27, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
    I though it was because someone claimed their priest said that Our Lady of Fatima said that 2 and 3 year olds go to hell.  This transitioned into a discussion of sacrament being administered to the very young.  It was a good discussion on the age of reason though.
    Our Lady never said any such thing
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #142 on: October 27, 2018, 11:54:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on October 27, 2018, 11:48:52 AM
    Our Lady never said any such thing
    I know, that's why I asked for proof of that statement
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #143 on: October 27, 2018, 11:56:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 22, 2018, 09:14:04 PM
    Did not Our Lady of Fatima say that there are many people in Hell, including children as young as two and three?
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    Did not St. Therese of Liseau say that she had reached the age of reason by three years of age?
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #144 on: August 26, 2021, 09:52:54 AM »
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    • Church Father & theologian St. Basil the Great wrote:

    “No man shall let his hair grow long or tattoo himself as do the heathen, those apostles of Satan who make themselves despicable by indulging in lewd and lascivious thoughts. Do not associate with those who mark themselves with thorns and needles so that their blood flows to the earth.”

    More importantly, in 787 a canon of the Second Council of Nicea banned all tattoos as a “pagan practice.” There has been no overturning of this disciplinary canon by the Church that I am aware of.

    Also interestingly:

    The Emperor Constantine I banned tattoos on the face in 316 AD reasoning that “man has been created in the image of God and to so defile the face is to disgrace the Divine.”
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #145 on: August 26, 2021, 10:19:31 AM »
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    • As to whether it is intrinsically immoral then I don’t think the evidence goes so far.

    I think it was a disciplinary measure that was instituted by the Church during a time in which the Church was still in a heavily pagan environment. Many ancient pagan societies considered tattooing a form of worship or dedication to false gods.

    The discipline forbidding tattoos fell into disregard historically. Many saints are said to have had tattoos, especially in Western Europe, without censure from the Church.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #146 on: August 26, 2021, 10:54:23 AM »
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    • Is there a valid Catholic reason why, in the 20th or 21st centuries, any Catholic not living in a Muslim country can justify choosing to get a tattoo?
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #147 on: August 26, 2021, 01:12:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: MMagdala on August 26, 2021, 10:54:23 AM
    Is there a valid Catholic reason why, in the 20th or 21st centuries, any Catholic not living in a Muslim country can justify choosing to get a tattoo?
    There is also a certain amount of risk in getting a tattoo, disease, reaction, they degrade over time amd stretch with the skin, I would think unless you had a really good reason, why do it?  Maybe to like fix an old one and turn it into some type of devotional picture I would think would be good.  
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #148 on: August 26, 2021, 03:05:29 PM »
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    • I’ve never been tattooed but several of my brothers have.
    Knowing we are Temples of the Holy Ghost I’ve said to my children that getting a tattoo on your body would be like decorating the Tabernacle at church with spray paint.
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    Re: Tattoos are a mortal sin
    « Reply #149 on: August 26, 2021, 04:13:04 PM »
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    • I have one tattoo on my calf from my pre-Catholic days and my wife has many. As I've grown older I've found them to be repugnant and I really don't get why staining your skin with an image that is relevant to a specific moment in time is a good idea.
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