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Offline Binechi

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« on: July 15, 2013, 01:06:06 PM »
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  • Don t know if this topic has been brought up before/ butwould like to know what the Church s official teaching on the subject.  It has been my opinion that the Church has always taught the body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost, and it was not to be defamed with ungodly tattoes or pierced in any way.

    Can anyone expound on this , and has anyone ever approached a Priest on the subject , and if so , what answers you might have gotten

    Also I assume there are no tattoo d Souls in Heaven so for those who have done these things have they damnd themselves ?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 01:15:17 PM »
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  • I have my ears pierced.  One whole on each ear.  I have zero tattoos. My husband has zero tattoos and piercings.  

    My husbands Nieces have tattoos and piercings while in Catholic school.  

    We don't care for them.   It is pagan.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 03:15:19 PM »
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  • Would Matthew have any good words on this Subject ?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 03:28:29 PM »
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  • How about consulting a good pre-V2 Moral Theology manual?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 03:58:14 PM »
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  • A traditional priest told my son that tatoos were ok, so long as the subject matter was neutral (e.g. no nudity or profanity)  :faint:  I couldn't believe my ears!

    We do have older men at our chapel who have lots of tatoos, maybe they were in the military?  I wonder if they would do them all over again if they had the chance to go back in time?  We also have a couple of men who wear a single earing stud.  

    Women piercing their ears (1 hole) is ok as far as I've ever heard,  however 12 holes on each ear, a nose ring, belly ring, lip studs, etc would probably be a different story.

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    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 04:05:00 PM »
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  • It's my understanding that the prohibition against tattoos is more to do with its association to heathen practices concerning the dead than with doing oneself bodily harm.  In that context, since the piercing of a woman's ears has nothing to do with heathen cultures, I can't think of any reason not to allow it.  Body piercings on the other hand, specifically the navel or anywhere else below the neck, have a predominantly sɛҳuąƖ connotation and are used to inflame passions by drawing eyes to immodest places.  Those sorts of piercings I consider indefensible.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 04:27:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    A traditional priest told my son that tatoos were ok, so long as the subject matter was neutral (e.g. no nudity or profanity)  :faint:  I couldn't believe my ears!

    We do have older men at our chapel who have lots of tatoos, maybe they were in the military?  I wonder if they would do them all over again if they had the chance to go back in time?  We also have a couple of men who wear a single earing stud.  

    Women piercing their ears (1 hole) is ok as far as I've ever heard,  however 12 holes on each ear, a nose ring, belly ring, lip studs, etc would probably be a different story.

    Marsha


    The priest is probably right.  Another way a tattoo could be sinful is if it was an exercise in sinful vanity.  But I'm sure barbarian and indigineous converts had tattoos.  I'm not aware of any accounts where the missionaries tried to remove them or anything.

    I think generally, tattoos are in poor taste.  Can't quite see them as intrinsically sinful, though.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 04:40:56 PM »
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    It's my understanding that the prohibition against tattoos is more to do with its association to heathen practices concerning the dead than with doing oneself bodily harm.  In that context, since the piercing of a woman's ears has nothing to do with heathen cultures, I can't think of any reason not to allow it.  Body piercings on the other hand, specifically the navel or anywhere else below the neck, have a predominantly sɛҳuąƖ connotation and are used to inflame passions by drawing eyes to immodest places.  Those sorts of piercings I consider indefensible.


    I guess I am not familiar with "the prohibition against tattoos , associated with the dead" thing I fail to see how any permanent marking of the body is or can be part of Catholic teaching.  This as one has said would have to  be considered "Pagan"

    As far as the earrings , I also would have to believe that the Church ever approved such a ritual for what ever reason.  I am sure Our Blessed Mother never had pierced ears.  Not sure about any of the early women Saints.

    I think it all started as a European and Spanish Culture, and was followed down thru the centuries.

    The heart of the Problem is that the Church teaches the body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, and as such never to be defiled in anyway.

    I often wondered why women would not go with those clip on jobs, rather then going thru the pain and possible infections , of putting holes in your ear.

    So where are we, back to square one.   The question again becomes, What is the teaching of Holy Mother Church.  I have at this point no access to any Moral Theology Books , or would be able to interpet their correct teachings

    That's why I am asking those of you out there if you have the knowledge or access to these readings if you could or would take up the project for all our benefit.

    Also , Those who feel they can ask their Priest or get an answer from their Bishop and report back would help loads.

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    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 05:48:58 PM »
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    Don t know if this topic has been brought up before/ butwould like to know what the Church s official teaching on the subject.  It has been my opinion that the Church has always taught the body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost, and it was not to be defamed with ungodly tattoes or pierced in any way.

    Can anyone expound on this , and has anyone ever approached a Priest on the subject , and if so , what answers you might have gotten

    Also I assume there are no tattoo d Souls in Heaven so for those who have done these things have they damnd themselves ?


    You wrong to assume that noone with tattoos will go to Heaven. Even if the whole body is covered with tattoos, if the person repents of his/her sins there is assurance of salvation. This is Catholic Church teaching. Repentance brings forgiveness.

    No doubt there are tattooed saints in Heaven, though they have not been yet reunited with their tattoos, nor will they ever be. Because when our bodies rise again they will be perfect.

    There is a new saint, whose sanctity I do not doubt in spite of her NO canonisation, and whose name escapes me right now, who was tattooed. She was from Sudan and a slave.

    There is something in scriptures about tattooing but I haven't time to look now. I'll be back, unless someone else comes up with it.
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    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 06:34:58 PM »
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  • I have 4 tattoos acquired before my conversion.  My purpose:  pure vanity.  I wanted everyone to see how beautiful I was.  They are an embarrassment now, but also a source of reparation for me.  

    I pray that I make it to heaven one day, as I hope the Lord accepts my sincere contrition for my horrible vanity.  

    Since I wear much more modest clothing today than I did before, no one can see my tattoos, save one that I can only cover when I wear boots.  It is a butterfly.  I tell people it is my symbol of my conversion from an ugly, prickly soul into a soul filled with hope in Our Lord and His promises.

    As to what the Church teaches, I don't know, but our priest gave a sermon about it a few weeks ago.  He said mentioned something in the Scripture reminding us that we are not to be marked or branded.  Our bodies and our souls belong to the Lord and we are called to be pure and spotless.  Doing something to intentionally mar our bodies is sinful.  Sometimes it's venial and other times it might be mortal.  But I don't think it's something a Catholic should really desire or acquire.

    As far as the earrings go, I don't know.  Scripture is full of references to earrings that both men and women wore.  Sometimes wearing earrings was a symbol of one's wealth or status.  Some women also wore nose rings.  I can see how some might say that women wear them for vanity reasons, but I am not certain that is true.

    I was a Pentecostal once and Jєωelry of any kind was strictly frowned upon and forbidden.  That seems a little Puritan to me.  Some people are wealthy and have fine things.  I don't believe there is anything wrong with that.  Are we to all dress in black and gray without makeup and all sad faced?  I don't think so.

    So, I don't see where earrings and tattoos are really the same.

    Just my opinion, though.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 06:57:40 PM »
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  • How could any young virgin who prized her reputation get a tattoo?

    The tattoo is the mark of a loose women.  As are piercings in places other than the ears.  


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    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 07:11:40 PM »
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  • I think tattoos are sinful, but I don't have a source to quote that says that, so I may be wrong. I do agree with Tele that the tattoo is the mark of a loose woman.

    I remember reading an anecdote about Bishop Pivarunas and a young man who wanted to get a tattoo. From what I remember, the Bishop allowed the young man to get a tattoo, as long as it was no larger than a quarter. This is from memory, so forgive me if I am mistaken.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 09:23:48 PM »
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    Director said: Also I assume there are no tattoo d Souls in Heaven so for those who have done these things have they damnd themselves ?


    !)  There is no sin greater than the mercy of God.

    I myself hate tattoos, but the youth most of them are followers, teach your children to be leaders.  
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    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 09:50:44 PM »
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  • I've had pierced ears (one hole) since age 4.  I wear small earrings, studs or small hoops.  All the girls on Mom's side got them before starting school.  I guess it's a family tradition, but I am unsure who started it.  Possibly, it was my great aunt.  Neighbors from India wear a small stud gem on one nostril.  I don't consider myself "mutilated"!  Several male relatives have nautical/military tattoos on their arms from their days in the service.  I don't think that to be sinful, although I've never found it attractive.  Women tattooing themselves is just gross, very unfeminine.  The same goes for obscene tattoos or anyone who goes overboard with "body art" of any sort.  Guys should NOT wear earrings at all.  Maybe I'm too old-fashioned, but to me a guy with an earring means he's a fruit and proud of it.  It used to be that guys with earrings were denied Communion, but I've noticed two young men with a diamond in one ear lobe at an SSPX Mass, and there was no apparent problem.  I wouldn't know if they are "regulars" as I've not been home on Sundays of late.  
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    « Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 10:04:13 PM »
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  • "The body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost, and it is not to be defamed with ungodly tattoes or pierced in any way"

    I dislike tattoos and piercings very much. I am glad that I didn't do tattoos when I was a lukewarm Novus Ordo Catholic.

    Definitely not classy, not adorning. The attire should represent the dignity of a person.
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