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Offline Amakusa

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Re: Swimming pools
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2018, 02:19:52 AM »
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  • You are right when you say that many trads do not see swimming pools and beaches as a problem regarding modesty; and this attitude does not only exist among lay people, but among some of our priests.

    The last time I went to Fatima, I had a conversation with a trad priest about the issue of swimming pools, and he answered something like this: "I have never thought about that, it does not seem to be a real problem; when you go to a swimming pool, you go to swim, not to remain outside the water. It is not the same thing as beaches".

    This distinction is weird since people spend much time outside the water in swimming pools, and the purpose of many is to hit on each other, not to swim! I don't see how one can remain in a state of grace while being surrounded of naked men/women, some of whom are very attractive.

    I asked the same priest whether it is a sin for a man to run bare chested, and he answered: "No, there is no problem with that. It is a custom for men to do that, or to work bare chested in villages. Men look at women, but women do not look at men. Men's body is not as much attractive."

    When I was a pagan average Joe, I used to run bare chested, and I was muscled, with good proportions and a beautiful body; well, I can say that women looked at me... One day there were some teens walking in my village (they were at a wedding), and when they saw me down the street, they immediately chuckled without shame, because I was ripped. Therefore it is not true to claim that women do not look at men.

    Some weeks ago I was talking with a priest who defended corridas, and I told him that the toreadors wore immodest and slinky clothes that unveiled their genitals. At that moment a girl said: "then what shoud we say about ballet dancers?". In other words, it was not obvious for her that it is a sin to dress like that, even for sports!

    There is no way a man can see such a performance without comitting a mortal sin, or he is a castrato. It is simply impossible to see those sumptuous women in their diabolical attire without being strongly tempted.
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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #31 on: June 07, 2018, 07:02:35 PM »
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  • You are right when you say that many trads do not see swimming pools and beaches as a problem regarding modesty; and this attitude does not only exist among lay people, but among some of our priests.

    The last time I went to Fatima, I had a conversation with a trad priest about the issue of swimming pools, and he answered something like this: "I have never thought about that, it does not seem to be a real problem; when you go to a swimming pool, you go to swim, not to remain outside the water. It is not the same thing as beaches".

    This distinction is weird since people spend much time outside the water in swimming pools, and the purpose of many is to hit on each other, not to swim! I don't see how one can remain in a state of grace while being surrounded of naked men/women, some of whom are very attractive.

    I asked the same priest whether it is a sin for a man to run bare chested, and he answered: "No, there is no problem with that. It is a custom for men to do that, or to work bare chested in villages. Men look at women, but women do not look at men. Men's body is not as much attractive."

    When I was a pagan average Joe, I used to run bare chested, and I was muscled, with good proportions and a beautiful body; well, I can say that women looked at me... One day there were some teens walking in my village (they were at a wedding), and when they saw me down the street, they immediately chuckled without shame, because I was ripped. Therefore it is not true to claim that women do not look at men.

    Some weeks ago I was talking with a priest who defended corridas, and I told him that the toreadors wore immodest and slinky clothes that unveiled their genitals. At that moment a girl said: "then what shoud we say about ballet dancers?". In other words, it was not obvious for her that it is a sin to dress like that, even for sports!

    There is no way a man can see such a performance without comitting a mortal sin, or he is a castrato. It is simply impossible to see those sumptuous women in their diabolical attire without being strongly tempted.
    If men shouldn't be bare chested to not tempt women, then what do you think of crucifixes? And even ignoring those, the Vatican is full of statues and paintings of topless men at work or whatever else. 


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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #32 on: June 08, 2018, 12:42:06 AM »
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  • Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich described as a sacrilege the sensual depiction of saints. For instance the Holy Virgin is usually depicted with small breasts. Likewise, Our Lord and the saints have to be represented with moderate shapes.

    The nudes of the Vatican were painted during the decadence of the Renaissance.

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #33 on: June 08, 2018, 12:51:19 AM »
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  • If men shouldn't be bare chested to not tempt women, then what do you think of crucifixes? 
    Are you serious? Jesus was stripped of his clothing; a very demeaning action meant to humiliate and degrade Him. The Crucifix should not be spoken of in such a way.

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #34 on: June 08, 2018, 01:00:31 AM »
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  •  It's not forbidden for men to shower with other men and be half naked around them in locker rooms.  Or for women among other women.
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    Really? What about when they're homosexuals, is it okay for them too?
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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #35 on: June 08, 2018, 02:07:05 AM »
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  • It's one thing to go to a beach where there are few if any people, it is another to go to a beach where I know it is full of people. A pool party is like going to a beach that I know is full of people.

    This hits the mark.

    If you find yourself in the occasion of sin, then leave.

    If the probability is high that you would find yourself, or place others, in the occasion of sin, then avoid going in the first place.
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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #36 on: June 08, 2018, 05:10:24 AM »
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  • Are you serious? Jesus was stripped of his clothing; a very demeaning action meant to humiliate and degrade Him. The Crucifix should not be spoken of in such a way.
    He was saying it's not alright to depict topless men. Well, pretty much every Catholic Church in the world has a big depiction of an almost naked man. 

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #37 on: June 09, 2018, 02:22:34 AM »
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  • On a related note, I think it would be a good idea for your children to learn how to swim.


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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #38 on: June 12, 2018, 07:23:46 PM »
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  • I would be interested to hear the view of husband’s and fathers on this. 

    Should women and girls wear swimming costumes in mixed public places and what is acceptable ? 

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #39 on: June 12, 2018, 07:50:40 PM »
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  • It was either Pius IX or X who said mixed-gender swimming was an occasion to sin.  Modernism has infected us all to such a degree that we don’t even realize it...

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #40 on: June 12, 2018, 08:06:16 PM »
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  • We go to lakes and beaches during the week and other times when there are few people. My girls wear  bathing suits like in the picture and the boys wear long shorts and rash guards. If I were invited to a non-traditionalist house for a pool party, I would skip it. It's one thing to go to a beach where there are few if any people, it is another to go to a beach where I know it is full of people. A pool party is like going to a beach that I know is full of people. Best to avoid it.

    These suits are lovely and suitably modest but would stand out as objects drawing attention on any European beach. 


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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #41 on: June 12, 2018, 09:58:37 PM »
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  • Some of us are old enough to remember when the old school SSPX was accused of imprudence for raffling off tickets to Cancun beaches.
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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #42 on: June 13, 2018, 12:26:22 AM »
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  • I would be interested to hear the view of husband’s and fathers on this.

    Should women and girls wear swimming costumes in mixed public places and what is acceptable ?
    I would make a distinction between dressed going to the beach and dressed going shopping and dressed going to mass. 

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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #43 on: June 13, 2018, 08:51:01 AM »
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  • These suits are lovely and suitably modest but would stand out as objects drawing attention on any European beach.
    Drawing attention to modesty is good, it makes people see themselves for the first time, like when Eve and Adam covered up.

    The bigger problem in Europe is the other people, I doubt one can find a beach that is deserted. In the USA where we go swimming there are few if any people, we purposely avoid beaches where people go.
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    Re: Swimming pools
    « Reply #44 on: June 13, 2018, 08:59:48 AM »
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  • I would be interested to hear the view of husband’s and fathers on this.

    Should women and girls wear swimming costumes in mixed public places and what is acceptable ?
    From a husband and father : One can't purposely seek out places where they know before hand that crowds are running around naked, like they do in crowded public beaches. 
    My girls wear the suits I showed in the picture and we only go to beaches that are empty. If there are people their scantily dressed we setup far from them. The point is:

    1) I did my duty to teach my girls how to dress at the beach and why we do it.
    2) We seek out places where we are not exposed to the nakedness on beaches

    That is all we can do outside of never going swimming. If the only option was crowded beaches, we would not go swimming anymore.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

     

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