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Re: Support family 1 income, but 1960s standard of living?
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  • I just pop the back off, battery falls out, put in a new one, snap the back back on.

    Wow, if I ever saw a phone that doesn't use glue on the back of the battery, it would be the first time for me personally. It seems like I've been inside quite a few phones since 2012 or so when I got my first $13 Android phone (new). But that's just how it feels to me personally. As I've said before, sample size is important. And talking about my experience with smartphone batteries, we're talking n=10. (that is, the sample size is 10)
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    Re: Support family 1 income, but 1960s standard of living?
    « Reply #16 on: Today at 06:17:32 AM »
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  • Someone should take them up on the offer -- put their feet to the fire, and actually run the numbers.
    A trailer home on 1 acre of land (not crammed together in a "trailer park" because that's not how residential living was in the 60's, especially in the photo)
    A single car, in decent condition, enough to fit the whole family
    Food (Groceries; mostly home-cooked meals)
    Dining out once a week (to mirror the 60's family, not because it's required for young Catholic families today)
    Yearly vacation (to mirror the 60's family)
    Life insurance (to mirror the 60's family)
    Home insurance (to mirror the 60's family)
    Electricity
    Phone
    Water
    Gas
    Gasoline for car
    Car insurance
    etc.

    Then compare that to a $30,000 salary and see if it adds up.
    We can almost match this. 😅🤣

    We bought a fixer upper when we first got married and managed to flip it within 2 years to get a $55k down payment for the house in which we currently live.  We bought another fixer upper with 4 bedrooms 3 bathrooms and an office dor my husband for about $275 but thankfully got an AMAZING interest rate.  So, after the downpayment we only have a monthly mortgage payment of about $1000 a month.  We couldn't buy a 3 bedroom house with 1000 sq. ft. for that now.

    I figure that we spend on average about $300 on grocery a week (for a family of 5 plus a baby who doesn't really eat much).

    When I get a new phone it is usually a refurbished one for a couple hundred. But my husband's phone cost him 6-7 hundred when he bought it new a few years ago...  And now his battery is failing and he may need to get a new one again if he isn't able to replace the battery (it is refusing to charge and actually burned out a charger).  

    Our Taxes is about $2000 a year for the house and maybe a hundred or so for the used van we got for $10k and $50 car we got from a family member. 

    My laptop is a hand-me-down from my husband when his work computer got too slow.   The battery doesn't work and it has to be plugged in all the time or it will crash and take a long time to turn back on.  But...  I mostly only have it for storing pictures and videos of the boys anyhow.

    My husband makes somewhere between 80-90k a year (a lot less after taxes).  I stay home and homeschool, bake, sew clothes for myself (and the boys sometimes when we can't find what they need at the thrift store).

    So...  We definitely don't live high and we need a lot of fixing in the house (including a new roof).  But we manage somehow to pay all the expenses and live with one income.  We keep trying to save for the roof but had one calamity after another.  The furnace died one year.  Our old van died another year.  We needed major car repairs and had $20k in medical bills another year.  But God always provided.

    So...  Yes...  It can be done but sacrifices and thriftiness are definitely needed. Maybe it helps that I was an accountant for my parents farm for 5 years before we got married. :laugh1::laugh2:
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    Re: Support family 1 income, but 1960s standard of living?
    « Reply #17 on: Today at 10:07:31 AM »
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  • We can almost match this. 😅🤣
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    My husband makes somewhere between 80-90k a year (a lot less after taxes).  I stay home and homeschool, bake, sew clothes for myself (and the boys sometimes when we can't find what they need at the thrift store).

    I know you are joking (I see the emojis) but all I said was that you couldn't do that on 30K. You stated above your husband makes 80-90K a year. That's about the income ChatGPT said was necessary, in its analysis. Is that what you meant by "match this"?

    As an aside, I can relate to your frugality details. Reading it practically brings back memories. My wife also had an accounting background (she actually had a CPA license) so we were BOTH good with money -- that's a killer combo. Usually the wife, AND/OR the husband, spends more money than necessary, creating a drain on the household finances.

    The major part of your story couldn't be easily duplicated though: saving up that $55K, allowing you to buy a fixer upper that cost $275K having only a $1000 monthly mortgage payment. Not everyone is handy enough to fix up a fixer-upper -- if you can even find one in your market. And in some places like Texas, the property taxes on a $275K property would be very high (definitely more than $2K), even if you manage to snag one by hook or by crook.

    I do think it's a natural role for a wife to be concerned with the house and household -- the larder (household food supply), etc. Wives have been filling that role for centuries. Saving a dollar is the same thing as earning another dollar. (Actually saving a dollar is better -- you don't pay taxes on it, and it doesn't count towards your official "income"). The problem is, the man should be fully in control of the house and the finances. The wife can (should?) help with the accounting, bookkeeping, etc. but she shouldn't be the "first responsible party" a.k.a. the only one who worries about money/"the bills", nor should she be making all the important decisions for the household. I've seen this in many families, including Trad ones.

    Men, don't fall into the stereotype of the big overgrown kid, irresponsible.

    But a word to the wise, for any "accountant wives" out there -- when you're neck-deep in the financial details of your household on a daily basis, you start to get a bit "invested" and there's a strong temptation to want more personal control over your future, your fate -- that can be an issue, so you have to watch out for that.
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    Re: Support family 1 income, but 1960s standard of living?
    « Reply #18 on: Today at 01:06:48 PM »
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  • I know you are joking (I see the emojis) but all I said was that you couldn't do that on 30K. You stated above your husband makes 80-90K a year. That's about the income ChatGPT said was necessary, in its analysis. Is that what you meant by "match this"?

    As an aside, I can relate to your frugality details. Reading it practically brings back memories. My wife also had an accounting background (she actually had a CPA license) so we were BOTH good with money -- that's a killer combo. Usually the wife, AND/OR the husband, spends more money than necessary, creating a drain on the household finances.

    The major part of your story couldn't be easily duplicated though: saving up that $55K, allowing you to buy a fixer upper that cost $275K having only a $1000 monthly mortgage payment. Not everyone is handy enough to fix up a fixer-upper -- if you can even find one in your market. And in some places like Texas, the property taxes on a $275K property would be very high (definitely more than $2K), even if you manage to snag one by hook or by crook.

    I do think it's a natural role for a wife to be concerned with the house and household -- the larder (household food supply), etc. Wives have been filling that role for centuries. Saving a dollar is the same thing as earning another dollar. (Actually saving a dollar is better -- you don't pay taxes on it, and it doesn't count towards your official "income"). The problem is, the man should be fully in control of the house and the finances. The wife can (should?) help with the accounting, bookkeeping, etc. but she shouldn't be the "first responsible party" a.k.a. the only one who worries about money/"the bills", nor should she be making all the important decisions for the household. I've seen this in many families, including Trad ones.

    Men, don't fall into the stereotype of the big overgrown kid, irresponsible.

    But a word to the wise, for any "accountant wives" out there -- when you're neck-deep in the financial details of your household on a daily basis, you start to get a bit "invested" and there's a strong temptation to want more personal control over your future, your fate -- that can be an issue, so you have to watch out for that.
    I am sorry for the confusion there.  I saw the $70k and was relating to that number but living in the 1960's frugaliy style.  (Money definitely isn't worth what it was then.):cowboy:

    When we first got married my husband only made about $50k and our mortgage was 2k a month.  It was definitely rough...  I did some minor accounting and other help for my parents at their farm for a couple of years or so that we were married to help supplement a bit for groceries and to pay for items to fix up the house before we sold it.  Once baby #2 came along after we had been married about 2 1/2 years that was the end to any substantial financially help I could add to the family except being thrifty and making things as much from home as possible (which was common the 1960's).

    My husband is in charge of all the finances.  I did help with Taxes the first few years because he had only ever done Taxes for himself but after maybe 3-4 years he felt confident to take over that as well.  I am definitely relieved to not have to take care of finances.  Trying to do paperwork with little babies around is so hard.  (I am thinking back to when I helped my parents while having one baby and it was so stressful...He would try and grab all the papers while I was working and get into everything whenever I wasn't looking) :fryingpan:

    It is true...  We were blessed to find the house we did and have everything work out and many people aren't as blessed in that regard.  I am grateful.  The hosing market also worked out nicely in our favor.  We know so many other families who are trying to buy houses now and are struggling.  And the up-raised cost of good quality food doesn't help. :pray:
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