Author Topic: subtle forms of pride? (Read 1708 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** July 29, 2010, 09:20:22 AM »

There are some subtle/especial forms of pride other than what we normally have in mind as a definition of pride. But my information ends here. Please clarify this, because it will be much helpful for all.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2010, 10:07:26 AM »

Pride is never having to say I'm sorry, even if you are in the right.

Pride is thinking your children are better than your neighbors just because they are your children.

Pride is thinking you are better than others because you have repented of your sins while other are still on their journey somewhere in left field.

Pride is refusing to pray for people you don't like.

Actually if you think about it every sin has its roots in pride.

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** July 29, 2010, 12:01:03 PM »

A subtle form of pride=Myrna, clarified dear lady!!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #3 on:** July 29, 2010, 12:27:46 PM »

You're right about that one Belloc.

A few weeks ago, while preparing for confession, I was trying to think on my sins, and asked the Holy Ghost to reveal them.
Suddenly my inner soul started hearing the voice of God, and it was telling me PRIDE, PRIDE AND MORE PRIDE.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2010, 02:12:33 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Actually if you think about it every sin has its roots in pride.

True. I won't say "every", but certainly most. Depression, for example, is rooted in pride.

henry · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2010, 04:28:37 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Depression, for example, is rooted in pride.

How so?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2010, 04:49:05 PM »

Quote from: henry

Quote from: MaterDominici
Depression, for example, is rooted in pride.

How so?

Depression generally comes from a self-centeredness. Why did this happen to me? Why isn't my life more perfect? Why has God chosen to punish me? etc etc

If the depressed person where thinking outwardly ("yes, I have it hard, but so many others have it worse" OR "this trial is what God has deemed fitting for me and so I must bear it patiently"), they wouldn't fall subject to depression.

Pride makes you see yourself and your plans as more important than others or what God intends for you.

henry · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2010, 05:13:50 PM »

That makes sense. I never thought of it that way.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2010, 06:10:50 PM »

Indeed! I never thought that pride has something to do with it. That's a very good explanation of depression. Thanks, MaterDominici!

Will try to keep this always in mind...

wallflower · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2010, 06:55:31 PM »

Pride is a funny thing. I went on retreat one year and my "goal" was to fight my pride. That was the mission, I was determined to figure it out and beat it. Anyway, imagine my frustration as I told the priest of my dilemma, asked for his help and he just looked at me with a slight grin saying, "So you're proud. Accept it." I went all week thinking that here I had come on retreat for a specific purpose and Father was not helping me! "Just accept it!" was all I kept hearing. Well Friday morning I went rushing to Father's office because I had finally gotten it! (I don't know what those poor priests have to sacrifice to gain grace for us on retreat) It was humiliating to accept that I was proud! Ding! Not that we should encourage or condone or feed pride within ourselves but realizing that we are and always will be proud, no matter how we fight against it, is an act of humility in itself.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2010, 07:41:28 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Pride is a funny thing. I went on retreat one year and my "goal" was to fight my pride. That was the mission, I was determined to figure it out and beat it. Anyway, imagine my frustration as I told the priest of my dilemma, asked for his help and he just looked at me with a slight grin saying, "So you're proud. Accept it." I went all week thinking that here I had come on retreat for a specific purpose and Father was not helping me! "Just accept it!" was all I kept hearing. Well Friday morning I went rushing to Father's office because I had finally gotten it! (I don't know what those poor priests have to sacrifice to gain grace for us on retreat) It was humiliating to accept that I was proud! Ding! Not that we should encourage or condone or feed pride within ourselves but realizing that we are and always will be proud, no matter how we fight against it, is an act of humility in itself.

That is interesting. We are all proud.

Like other sins, we each have areas in which our pride is most manifest. We might have great humility in certain things but too much pride regarding others.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2010, 07:48:13 PM »

Back to the OP's question. Many, if not most, displays of anger are attributable to pride.

You can witness an injustice (not involving yourself) and be angry about it without involving pride (or any sin for that matter), but most anger we see/experience isn't this sort. Most involves being mad because something did not go as we would have preferred.

Is this the sort of things you were asking about, or am I missing the mark entirely? : )

Penitent · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2010, 08:41:34 PM »

Impatience and shyness are forms of pride.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:18:39 AM »

I know a man who is said to be suffering from 'self destructive' behaviours, denying himself all joys, all hopes etc. saying he is a bad and unlovable person. But ironicly, he has characteristics of people with great amounts of pride.
So it is possible for self abasing actions to have roots in pride. but how? How can some one who believes and wants others too to believe in his "dirtyness" and "foolishness" have any pride?
And Penitent, it is something new to me. I thought shyness was caused by low self-esteem. Can you elaborate?

Penitent · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:48:17 AM »

Shyness comes from being overly concerned with what other people think of us. It's a fearful self-absorption. A truly humble person is not afraid of other people's opinions, no matter how negative. Humiliation is very helpful in developing humility. We shouldn't shy away from it.