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yet there are things which lead to it that can be just as damming.

Yes, but it's still better to not go through with it.

I never said, or tried to imply, that it was.

Sorry to suggest otherwise.

I have no "evidence" of anything, as I said...only concerns and suspicions, because after all, I've been a 19 year old worldly girl and I know what son's friend's are all about and the pressure he's under to go along with the group I'm sure has been tremendous .. add to that the influence of t.v., movies and music and the whole "brotherhood" stuff of the fire dept., and he's being tested at the highest level.

Now I've seen another picture of the girl and I'm afraid to say my initial perception of her seems to be over optimistic.  I know all mom's think their kids are smart and wonderful people.  But frankly, our son is very intelligent and well bred well educated.  He's read all the classics, he can debate with the best of them, he knows his history, theology and politics.  But we live in a rural county wtih no industry. We have double digit unemployment here and unfortunately, we have more people on drugs and welfare and in jail than working decent jobs and providing for their families.  

If we'd had the money to send him to college, he could go as far as he wanted...he has so much potential .. and this girl is not the caliber that I would have anticipated for our son.  I don't want to say too much here and be unkind.  I hope I'm wrong about her.  But I've learned some things about her brother and sister, and now have seen a better picture of her and it's lead me to think that son is likely not ashamed of us...but embarrassed about HER.  From what I've seen and read so far, she is NOT a shy, modest, Christian girl.

All I can do is hope and pray this doesn't go any farther. BTW, I have ZERO evidence that son has involved himself beyond what is morally correct.  I just hope and pray that this thing dissolves of it's own accord.  

But I'll tell you, I've been begging my H to move us from this town / county for 10 years and he would never listen to me.  I've tried to tell him that there's more to life than pleasant scenery, lack of traffic, low crime (in OUR town, that is) and no pollution.  There's minimal opportunities for work, the local community college is primarily about general education, nursing and fire fighting, that's it.  Our D would have to drive an hour away to get to a college that has many vocational courses as well as better job opportunities.  Plus the opportunities to meet some people who have higher goals in life.  

My D just told me that she has no interest in staying in this county for her future and she's conflicted because she doesn't want to move away from us ... but she doesn't want stay in such a dead end place with nothing to do and nowhere to go.

Again, we live hundreds of miles from the nearest traditional Catholic parish ... and almost as far from museums, quality libraries, interesting events and activities.

Immaculate Heart of Mary Pray for Us Now and at the Hour of our Death