Author Topic: Statement on Medical Marijuana (Read 2122 times)

poche · « **on:** August 18, 2015, 11:41:38 PM »

Neither endorsing nor criticizing proposed legislation on the medical use of marijuana, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines has issued a statement entitled “Pastoral Guidance on the Compassionate Use of Cannabis.”

“There must be no doubt as to a fundamental principle: when the use of cannabis or any other narcotic or psychotropic substance is not medically indicated and where there are other forms of intervention and treatment possible that do not pose the same risks as does the use of these substances, it is morally irresponsible to make use of cannabis and other narcotic or psychotropic substances, and it is gravely wrong to make use of them for recreational or leisure purposes,” the bishops said in their statement.

“The highest teaching authority of the Church allows for the palliative and compassionate use of narcotics particularly in the case of the terminally ill,” the bishops added, citing St. John Paul II, who wrote that “Pius XII affirmed that it is licit to relieve pain by narcotics even when the result is decreased consciousness and a shortening of life, ‘if no other means exist, and if, in the given circuмstances, this does not prevent the carrying out of other religious and moral duties.’”

The bishops continued:

The obligation to treat subsists, even when it may not be possible to cure! We appeal therefore to the prudent and Spirit-filled discernment of our health care workers, particularly physicians, to apply the principle of proportionality and to determine carefully whether there is due proportion between the risks involved in the use of narcotic and psychotropic substances and the benefits anticipated.

http://www.catholic culture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25860

Any comments?

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:00:56 AM »

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Any comments?

Yes--anytime conciliardom uses the words "pastoral" and "compassionate" in the same sentence they mean "we are now taking a sharp left turn." Next thing you know they'll be passing out Vaseline to their fαɢɢօt parishioners as they come through the communion line, all in the good cheer of being "pastoral" and "compassionate," of course.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:31:38 AM »

Quote from: OHCA

Quote from: poche
Any comments?

Yes--anytime conciliardom uses the words "pastoral" and "compassionate" in the same sentence they mean "we are now taking a sharp left turn." Next thing you know they'll be passing out Vaseline to their fαɢɢօt parishioners as they come through the communion line, all in the good cheer of being "pastoral" and "compassionate," of course.

What does any of that have to do with the medical use of marijuana?

Nadir · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2015, 04:24:33 AM »

Quote from: poche

Neither endorsing nor criticizing proposed legislation on the medical use of marijuana, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines has issued a statement entitled “Pastoral Guidance on the Compassionate Use of Cannabis.”

“There must be no doubt as to a fundamental principle: when the use of cannabis or any other narcotic or psychotropic substance is not medically indicated and where there are other forms of intervention and treatment possible that do not pose the same risks as does the use of these substances, it is morally irresponsible to make use of cannabis and other narcotic or psychotropic substances, and it is gravely wrong to make use of them for recreational or leisure purposes,” the bishops said in their statement.

“The highest teaching authority of the Church allows for the palliative and compassionate use of narcotics particularly in the case of the terminally ill,” the bishops added, citing St. John Paul II, who wrote that “Pius XII affirmed that it is licit to relieve pain by narcotics even when the result is decreased consciousness and a shortening of life, ‘if no other means exist, and if, in the given circuмstances, this does not prevent the carrying out of other religious and moral duties.’”

The bishops continued:

The obligation to treat subsists, even when it may not be possible to cure! We appeal therefore to the prudent and Spirit-filled discernment of our health care workers, particularly physicians, to apply the principle of proportionality and to determine carefully whether there is due proportion between the risks involved in the use of narcotic and psychotropic substances and the benefits anticipated.

http://www.catholic culture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25860

Any comments?

When I saw the use of the word "medical" in the title, I thought this would be about the therapeutic use of cannabis, so I was a bit disappointed.

"The obligation to treat subsists, even when it may not be possible to cure!" I did not know that there was an "obligation to treat" and especially "when it may not be possible to cure". I have never heard of this obligation.

Nothing new here except the supposed obligation to treat. I would have thought the bolded words applied to all medicine, not just narcotic and psychotropic substances. I have known treatments to be forced on patients, one in particular: a child who had asked to have no more chemotherapy. Her parents supported her in her wish and she was removed from their custody. She died in cruel circuмstances without her loving parents able to be with her.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:36:32 PM »

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The obligation to treat subsists, even when it may not be possible to cure!

This seems wrong to me. If there is no, or almost no possibility to cure, treatment for such diseases as cancer is simpy torture. I cannot believe that we are forced by the will of God to have doctors torture us with pointless chemotherapy or radiation that does nothing to cure us and makes the rest of our lives miserable. If I had terminal cancer with no hope of survival I would want to die peacefully without the doctors torturing me with painful and useless treatment except for the use of painkillers if I find myself too weak to take the pain and offer it up to God as penance.

Maybe I am misunderstanding something here.

OHCA · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2015, 09:48:08 PM »

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Quote from: poche
Any comments?

Yes--anytime conciliardom uses the words "pastoral" and "compassionate" in the same sentence they mean "we are now taking a sharp left turn." Next thing you know they'll be passing out Vaseline to their fαɢɢօt parishioners as they come through the communion line, all in the good cheer of being "pastoral" and "compassionate," of course.

What does any of that have to do with the medical use of marijuana?

I don't see that there was a need for the bishops to speak on this matter, and I think they chose to do so simply for the sake of going on the record as supporting the progressive/modernist idea of medical marijuana usage. I moderately support the idea too. But for different reasons than the perception that it's a "left-turn." (That's not so much my perception--but I'd bet house, ass, & I'd that it's theirs).

Nadir · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:57:42 PM »

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The obligation to treat subsists, even when it may not be possible to cure!

This seems wrong to me. If there is no, or almost no possibility to cure, treatment for such diseases as cancer is simpy torture. I cannot believe that we are forced by the will of God to have doctors torture us with pointless chemotherapy or radiation that does nothing to cure us and makes the rest of our lives miserable. If I had terminal cancer with no hope of survival I would want to die peacefully without the doctors torturing me with painful and useless treatment except for the use of painkillers if I find myself too weak to take the pain and offer it up to God as penance.

Maybe I am misunderstanding something here.

Those aren't my words, Matto. Like you I disagree strongly with any "obligation to treat". Patients may accept or refuse treatment.

BTNYC · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:21:52 AM »

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Any comments?

Yes--anytime conciliardom uses the words "pastoral" and "compassionate" in the same sentence they mean "we are now taking a sharp left turn."

Wisdom.

And Poche's feigned bemused reaction to your post is just that - feigned. No one is that dense. Poche willfully, obstinately, intransigently refuses to honestly confront reason and common sense when it flies in the face of his mushminded Conciliar twaddle (as it always does). He just plays dumb or offers a "simple and sincere" display of showy "piety" or "humility."

Sorry if this strikes you as a backhanded compliment, Poche, but I don't believe you're that stupid, therefore I don't believe you're that sincere, either. Conciliar emotionalism and sloganeering cannot stand for a second against Catholic reason and common sense, so instead of facing it head on, it dissembles, deflects, and distracts - and that has been your perpetual MO around here, and that sums up how you've managed to become the most prolific poster (apart from the owner / moderator) on a Traditional Catholic forum, despite posting against the interests of Traditional Catholicism.

And so the toleration and forbearance shown to Poche here and on other trad forums will continue to leave me shaking my head in astonishment and, quite frankly, disgust.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:53:00 AM »

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Neither endorsing nor criticizing proposed legislation on the medical use of marijuana, ....”

This is no surprise - probably the whole world would be surprised if they actually chose one side or the other and actually took some type of stand - bunch spineless so and so's.

This describes the bishops.....
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them."
-Pope St. Felix III

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2015, 12:30:13 PM »

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Quote from: poche
Neither endorsing nor criticizing proposed legislation on the medical use of marijuana, ....”

- bunch spineless so and so's.

Now that just isn't a very friendly thing to say...

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:04:53 PM »

Poche,

Medical marijuana? The attitude of the Novus Ordo should be like those old time drill sargents used to have toward cigarettes. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:38:52 PM »

Is there actually anything wrong with smoking marijuana, theologically?

Nadir · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:45:09 PM »

Let's not reinvent the wheel:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/How-Sinful-is-Marijuana

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:46:59 PM »

NCI says MJ kills cancer...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/marijuana-kills-cancer-says-national-cancer-institute.html

:reporter:

MrYeZe · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2015, 10:36:54 PM »

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NCI says MJ kills cancer...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/marijuana-kills-cancer-says-national-cancer-institute.html

:reporter:

It also causes it if you smoke it regularly, as well as other mutations of the lungs.