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Statehood for Puerto Rico?
« on: May 20, 2020, 04:04:04 PM »
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    Puerto Rico governor announces nonbinding statehood referendum

    MAY 18, 2020 12:58:41 PM l Manny Marotta

    Puerto Rico’s newly-elected Governor, Wanda Vázquez Garced, announced in a press conference Saturday that Puerto Rico will hold a non-binding referendum on November 3, the same day as US presidential election, to decide whether Puerto Rico should become a US state or remain a territory. “It is never too late to be treated as equals,” she said.
    Puerto Rico last held a referendum in 2017, in which 97 percent of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. However, the US Congress failed to approve the measure partly as a result of low voter turnout. President Donald Trump also needs to approve Puerto Rican statehood, but he stated in a 2018 interview that the issue was presently “an absolute ‘no.'” He continued, “Puerto Rico shouldn’t be talking about statehood until they get some people that really know what they’re doing.”
    2018 survey by the Washington Post found that 48 percent of Puerto Ricans, a plurality, supported statehood over any other status including maintaining the current configuration (territorial status) or becoming an independent nation.
    “Puerto Rico’s territorial status … is at the root of the inequality and disadvantages it faces,” said Vázquez Garced in her press conference. “Our people will have the opportunity once and for all to define our future.”
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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2020, 05:32:52 PM »
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  • If the people of Puerto Rico want statehood, I'm all for it.

    * It is larger in population than many states, and comparable in area to a few of them.

    * Being majority Spanish-speaking should not be a problem.  New Mexico was largely Spanish-speaking when it became a state.  French is spoken in far northern Maine (Aroostook County) and in southern Louisiana.  The various Native American languages are spoken on reservations.  Spanish is a simple language to learn, basically streamlined, vulgar Latin teleported to the 21st century.  Anyone who speaks English can learn Spanish.  And all Spanish-speaking people in the US should learn English.  Many if not most Europeans are bilingual or multilingual.

    * Speaking as conservatives (which I assume all of us are here), we cannot "cherry-pick" potential states because we don't like their politics.  I mean, we can, but is it fair?  Is it equitable?  Seems kind of un-American to me.

    * I have to think that, as Americans, we would want our country to be as big as it can possibly be.

    * Puerto Rico, while not small in population, simply isn't big enough to have a huge effect on our political life one way or the other.  By way of contrast, if we absorbed (for instance) Mexico, the Philippines, or Canada ("sawry" if anyone finds that suggestion offensive :clown:), it would have an enormous effect on political life.  If we absorbed Mexico or the Philippines, it would have a massive cultural effect as well.  "Absorbing" Puerto Rico wouldn't do that.  I believe I am correct in saying there are more Puerto Ricans on the mainland than in PR itself.


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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2020, 06:46:04 PM »
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  • Hmm. Puerto Rico use the welfare system  heavily, have high crime and the average IQ is below  the US average. Either give them independence or leave bad enough alone.

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #3 on: May 20, 2020, 09:16:29 PM »
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  • Hmm. Puerto Rico use the welfare system heavily and Mississippi, West Virginia, New Mexico, etc. depend heavily on welfare too , have high crime Have you seen St. Louis, Missouri or Baltimore, Maryland or even Detroit Michigan? and the average IQ is below the US average. Well Puerto Rico has $3.5 Billion in education compared to the United State's $1.3 Trillion in education. Dymphnaw, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. Either give them independence or leave bad enough alone. leave bad enough alone? What does that even mean?

    I believe that if Puerto Rico becomes a state it will look just like Hawaii when it became a state. The population will rise and the education system I believe will be improved. The average IQ I predict would go up and the graduation rate. Hopefully, the crime goes down further. (which doesn't matter much, Black Crime in America went above 50% in America in 1990 and it has shrunk to almost below 20% today.) and then more jobs will hopefully be created and welfare use will go down. But, this is just my prediction.
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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2020, 09:26:29 AM »
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  • I believe that if Puerto Rico becomes a state it will look just like Hawaii when it became a state. The population will rise and the education system I believe will be improved. The average IQ I predict would go up and the graduation rate. Hopefully, the crime goes down further. (which doesn't matter much, Black Crime in America went above 50% in America in 1990 and it has shrunk to almost below 20% today.) and then more jobs will hopefully be created and welfare use will go down. But, this is just my prediction.
    Forgive my relative ignorance of Hawaiian history, but why did the population rise?  Did a critical mass of (mostly) white non-Hawaiians move there after statehood?  And if so, could we look forward to a similar mass movement to Puerto Rico. if it became a state?  And what is keeping that from happening now?  I have to think a lot of mainland Americans would be happy to give up their right to vote for President and full voting representation in Congress, if it meant they would no longer have to pay federal income taxes.  Over a million (mostly) Anglo Americans have emigrated to Mexico, many of them retirees.  Why no similar emigration to Puerto Rico?  Could it be because you can drive to Mexico (not advisable in certain areas), but you can't drive to Puerto Rico?


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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2020, 02:44:05 PM »
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  • * Speaking as conservatives (which I assume all of us are here), we cannot "cherry-pick" potential states because we don't like their politics.  I mean, we can, but is it fair?  Is it equitable?  Seems kind of un-American to me.
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    Yes, it is fair. America belongs to Americans, and they can decide which territories can join their country for whatever reason they want, or for no reason at all. They have no need to justify their decision to anyone, since they have no obligation to make Puerto Rico a state in the first place.
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    And no, no place with leftist politics should ever be allowed to become a state. Because it has leftist politics. Leftist politics are the enemy of civilization, and destroy every place they take hold. We are trying to prevent that from happening to our own United States. So that includes preventing leftists in Puerto Rico from having any say in the politics of this country. Therefore that includes not allowing Puerto Rico to become a state.

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2020, 03:07:17 PM »
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  • .
    Yes, it is fair. America belongs to Americans, and they can decide which territories can join their country for whatever reason they want, or for no reason at all. They have no need to justify their decision to anyone, since they have no obligation to make Puerto Rico a state in the first place.
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    And no, no place with leftist politics should ever be allowed to become a state. Because it has leftist politics. Leftist politics are the enemy of civilization, and destroy every place they take hold. We are trying to prevent that from happening to our own United States. So that includes preventing leftists in Puerto Rico from having any say in the politics of this country. Therefore that includes not allowing Puerto Rico to become a state.
    I know you know this, but about half of the American population could loosely be defined as "leftists", and they would actually welcome a state such as Puerto Rico --- more cultural diversity, predominantly people of color, and so on.  If you added a few more percentage points to their numbers --- and it will happen, given the higher birth rates among demographics that skew this way --- they will end up taking over the political process, and will get whatever they want... until the money runs out.

    Perhaps the Russians would welcome us, as they did the South African farmers who were dispossessed by the ruling majority.  I already know some basic Russian and am quite confident I could learn more.

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2020, 04:09:07 PM »
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  • Forgive my relative ignorance of Hawaiian history, but why did the population rise?  Did a critical mass of (mostly) white non-Hawaiians move there after statehood?  And if so, could we look forward to a similar mass movement to Puerto Rico. if it became a state?  And what is keeping that from happening now?  I have to think a lot of mainland Americans would be happy to give up their right to vote for President and full voting representation in Congress, if it meant they would no longer have to pay federal income taxes.  Over a million (mostly) Anglo Americans have emigrated to Mexico, many of them retirees.  Why no similar emigration to Puerto Rico?  Could it be because you can drive to Mexico (not advisable in certain areas), but you can't drive to Puerto Rico?
    Yes it is much easier to travel to Mexico than Puerto Rico because Mexico is connected with our mainland with a border, same with Canada. The population rose in Hawaii because many americans visited it more after it became a state in 1959 and some chose to stay there because, well, it became a state. You also have to put the baby boom in the equation that happened from the mid-1940's to the 1960's. My prediction for a puerto rico population increase is just my opinion. That doesn't mean it will happen and it will happen probably less likely because America is having no baby boom right now ESPECIALLY among white people. 
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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2020, 04:28:26 PM »
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  • I know you know this, but about half of the American population could loosely be defined as "leftists" That's tricky, right now 30% of americans are republican and 31% are democrat and the rest are independent. Those figures change all the time. Only 57% of democrats say they are liberal. We just think there are more liberals because of the Media., and they would actually welcome a state such as Puerto Rico No they wouldn't, They would use Puerto Rico for a political agenda. --- more cultural diversity, predominantly people of color, and so on. I partially agree with you, Yes they would do think this way with Puerto Rico. But, I honestly don't care if we have more people in this country of different colors. Scripture backs me up on this like these scriptures. (Revelation 5:9-10, Galations 3:28, Malachi 2:10, Acts 17:26, Acts 10:28,34-35.)  If you added a few more percentage points to their numbers --- and it will happen, given the higher birth rates among demographics that skew this way --- they will end up taking over the political process, and will get whatever they want... until the money runs out. And I don't have a problem with any of that. We need higher birth rates in this country and I don't care what color the person is. The bible doesn't either.

    Perhaps the Russians would welcome us We don't need Russia, They have an authoritarian political system with remnants of the Soviet Union still in place. The Kremlin is evil and they manipulate elections and they control the press. It has way more corruption than the United States and they give too much power to Vladimir Putin.  , as they did the South African farmers who were dispossessed by the ruling majority. That was good of Russia to do, But, they are socialists and they have done more bad than good. Don't forget the Cold War. I already know some basic Russian and am quite confident I could learn more. It's not bad to learn russian. It is a beautiful language. But, I think the country is too socialist and corrupt. As Americans, we need to stand up for ourselves. Our constitution guarantees us to form a militia against the government. That law doesn't exist in Russia.

    I appreciate your post. But, I disagree with a lot of what you said. 
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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2020, 08:39:31 PM »
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  • I know you know this, but about half of the American population could loosely be defined as "leftists" That's tricky, right now 30% of americans are republican and 31% are democrat and the rest are independent. Those figures change all the time. Only 57% of democrats say they are liberal. We just think there are more liberals because of the Media.,

    ***All I know, is that three million more people voted for Hillary than for Trump, and they would love nothing more than to abolish the electoral college, so that urban liberals could win every election. That's a majority that found a left-wing ideological radical (she is more centrist in actual practice) more desirable than a socially conservative populist.

    and they would actually welcome a state such as Puerto Rico No they wouldn't, They would use Puerto Rico for a political agenda.

    ***Not following you here.  Why wouldn't they want a state that would fuel their political agenda?

    --- more cultural diversity, predominantly people of color, and so on. I partially agree with you, Yes they would do think this way with Puerto Rico. But, I honestly don't care if we have more people in this country of different colors. Scripture backs me up on this like these scriptures. (Revelation 5:9-10, Galations 3:28, Malachi 2:10, Acts 17:26, Acts 10:28,34-35.)  If you added a few more percentage points to their numbers --- and it will happen, given the higher birth rates among demographics that skew this way --- they will end up taking over the political process, and will get whatever they want... until the money runs out. And I don't have a problem with any of that. We need higher birth rates in this country and I don't care what color the person is. The bible doesn't either.


    ***I am a European American.  I love my culture and my heritage just as much as any African American, Asian American, or whatever, loves theirs.  They are right to feel this way, and we are right to feel this way.  I'll make no bones about it, I wish America could have been "Europe 2.0", but alas, our forefathers coveted immoral, evil slave labor (the old saying "if I'd have known it was going to be this much trouble, I'd have picked my own damned cotton!"), and they forfeited our right --- if that's the word --- to have a totally European nation.  There were also people already here who had other ideas about who should take over the country and run the show, but they were outnumbered and decimated by disease.  That was very unfortunate.  And in more recent years, our immigration policies have absolutely favored diversity.  We could never have been "New Europe" and we certainly can't be now.  What's done is done.  At least the basic ideology, much of the basic cultural outlook, and the legal system have their roots in European thought.


    Perhaps the Russians would welcome us We don't need Russia, They have an authoritarian political system with remnants of the Soviet Union still in place. The Kremlin is evil and they manipulate elections and they control the press. It has way more corruption than the United States and they give too much power to Vladimir Putin.  , as they did the South African farmers who were dispossessed by the ruling majority. That was good of Russia to do, But, they are socialists and they have done more bad than good. Don't forget the Cold War. I already know some basic Russian and am quite confident I could learn more. It's not bad to learn russian. It is a beautiful language. But, I think the country is too socialist and corrupt. As Americans, we need to stand up for ourselves. Our constitution guarantees us to form a militia against the government. That law doesn't exist in Russia.

    ***I really don't think a purge of the white race is ever going to take place in this country.  We basically bend over backwards to make sure all other races and cultures have every right, privilege, and opportunity they can possibly have, and to make sure that they feel excellent about themselves in every way (though this "lack of self-esteem" thing is a big steaming pile of spucatum equii, they like themselves just fine!).  Black people are more forgiving of what was done to their ancestors than I could ever be --- if I were black, I don't know if I could stand to live in this country, I might have to move to a black Caribbean country or even back to Africa.  They have very real historical grievances (to say the least), but with the type of immigration we have, and the birth rates of the various nationalities, blacks are more or less "frozen" at roughly 13 percent of the population.  No other race has nearly as much of a "bone to pick" with European Americans.   Asian Indians, Southeast Asians, and I would say even Hispanics, give much more back to this country than they take.  An Asian Indian on welfare is probably unheard of --- they work their butts off and strongly encourage education.  We should do likewise.

    I appreciate your post. But, I disagree with a lot of what you said.

    ***That's fine.  Respectful disagreement is just part of good discussion.  Thanks.

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2020, 08:51:59 PM »
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  • I appreciate your post. But, I disagree with a lot of what you said.

    ***That's fine.  Respectful disagreement is just part of good discussion.  Thanks.

    Thanks for the response SimpleMan. This is a great discussion. I see where your getting at. I actually agreed with everything you said in response to my concerns. Abolishing the electoral college would be dangerous and it would make the suburban and rural vote not matter. 52% of americans live in suburban areas and 21% live in rural areas. 27% of americans live in urban areas and if we get rid of the electoral college, the urban vote would take up everything! Fun Fact: 50% of americans in the suburbs voted for Trump and 62% of americans in rural areas voted for Trump. 59% of urban areas voted for Clinton! See how dangerous this would be? I also agree with you on african americans, Europe 2.0, a purge of the white race that won't take place, etc. My apologies if I misunderstood anything earlier.
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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2020, 09:26:58 PM »
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  • Thanks for the response SimpleMan. This is a great discussion. I see where your getting at. I actually agreed with everything you said in response to my concerns. Abolishing the electoral college would be dangerous and it would make the suburban and rural vote not matter. 52% of americans live in suburban areas and 21% live in rural areas. 27% of americans live in urban areas and if we get rid of the electoral college, the urban vote would take up everything! Fun Fact: 50% of americans in the suburbs voted for Trump and 62% of americans in rural areas voted for Trump. 59% of urban areas voted for Clinton! See how dangerous this would be? I also agree with you on african americans, Europe 2.0, a purge of the white race that won't take place, etc. My apologies if I misunderstood anything earlier.
    No, you're fine, no offense taken.  I was in a liberal arts undergraduate program where we would get into very heated discussions in the classroom, you would have thought it was going to get physical at times, but then we'd all go out for a beer, tacos, or pizza after class like best buddies.  I would not go to the cross for each and every social or political opinion I've ever had.  Just part of a good, vigorous intellectual life.

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #12 on: May 21, 2020, 11:20:39 PM »
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  • No, you're fine, no offense taken.  I was in a liberal arts undergraduate program where we would get into very heated discussions in the classroom, you would have thought it was going to get physical at times, but then we'd all go out for a beer, tacos, or pizza after class like best buddies.  I would not go to the cross for each and every social or political opinion I've ever had.  Just part of a good, vigorous intellectual life.
    And that is something everyone should live by. A good and vigorous intellectual life. I am 19, not 21 yet. But, I'll have a virtual non-alcoholic Beck's Beer with ya. Cheers!

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #13 on: May 21, 2020, 11:57:19 PM »
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  • The people in Puerto Rico have voted in favor of statehood. The only reason that I can see to refuse that to them would be the general racial bias that is against the Hispanic people in general.  

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    Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2020, 12:23:58 AM »
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  • The people in Puerto Rico have voted in favor of statehood. The only reason that I can see to refuse that to them would be the general racial bias that is against the Hispanic people in general.  
    And that is exactly what the media, the NWO, and the freemasons want us to do is make everything about race which is wrong.
    If somebody wants to shoot me from a window with a rifle, Nobody can stop it, so why worry about it? - John F. Kennedy, The Morning of November 22nd, 1963.