Author Topic: St. Marys KS -- Catholic Disneyland or good thing? (Read 24785 times)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2010, 04:39:42 PM »

Quote from: clare

Chances are though, I'd still be the odd one out in a trad community, as I don't object to women's trousers!

I just don't fit in anywhere! C'est la vie! :dancing:

Ha ha! That's another score against me moving to St.Mary's. I dont fit in anywhere either, and Im against womens trousers! :kick-can: lol.

OHCA · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2010, 08:29:58 PM »

I will probably never do so, but I can see plenty of legitimate reasons for moving to a heavily traditional Catholic area, not the least of which is to have a more solid Catholic environment for children. In my region, it has always been a most pleasant SURPRISE to find Catholic classmates in college, Catholic colleagues, etc.--a treasured rarity. I find the desire to be around solid Catholics commendable and prudent.

Matthew · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2010, 08:31:38 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

once I got to the insinuation that people who move may be weak and just want yes-men around them...Let's just say I need no extra irritation today.

Don't take it so personally. I threw it out as a possibility for a small percentage of the St. Mary's population. Don't you suppose there are some weaker (e.g., worldly) Catholics at St. Mary's? I can assure you that they exist.

But looking at your quote, I think you misunderstood me altogether. Maybe you should re-read my post.

I didn't say

ALL those at St. Mary's are suspect of being weak.

I said

SOME people at St. Mary's might have moved there because they were weak and in need of encouragement from lots of like-minded people.

There is a difference.

I suppose I should clarify that some at St. Mary's are under no suspicion of being weak in their faith.

But everyone at St. Marys is not the same, and there is no "one" reason for moving there. There are all shades of people.

I think this discussion has been quite interesting, helpful, and enlightening. That's why I started it.

Matthew

Elizabeth · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2010, 08:34:35 AM »

True, the weirdness of the failed attempts to take our children out of the worldly cesspool into a "devout Catholic" atmosphere must be experienced in order to to be understood.

I am not at all surprised that you have received so many emails from those who understand. One of the techniques of the bullies is to make their targets feel they are the only ones who did not fit in with the culture.

The other day I found an old workbook from the "school" with lots of answers marked wrong. But the answers were correct. What kind of freak would do that?

Emerentiana · « **Reply #34 on:** November 21, 2010, 12:44:14 PM »

Quote from: jmid

I did a series of interviews on blog talk radio over the summer on people moving to Post Falls. I wanted people to hear the hard truth of the Catholic Disneyland. I am amazed by the many emails and calls I recieve to this day by people all over the world on this topic.

I think only people who have made the move can really appreciate the trials a family goes through, on so many levels.

My family is in the process of moving back East, after 8 years of living here. The person who wrote that being a Catholic is not enough to build a community hit the nail on the head for me. Ethic unity, along with a particular Catholic culture is neccesary for a community to thrive. America is just to plastic a place for a community to grow, I fear.

On another note I plan on doing some more shows on Catholic topics, if anyone is interseted on helping me please feel free to email me at backyardradtrad@yahoo.com

Great, Jim! Nice to see your post here. If you had moved to the CMRI community in Spokane, you would have been happier. However, its tough to make a living in the Northwest! :cheers:

wallflower · « **Reply #35 on:** November 21, 2010, 04:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: wallflower
once I got to the insinuation that people who move may be weak and just want yes-men around them...Let's just say I need no extra irritation today.

Don't take it so personally. I threw it out as a possibility for a small percentage of the St. Mary's population. Don't you suppose there are some weaker (e.g., worldly) Catholics at St. Mary's? I can assure you that they exist.

But looking at your quote, I think you misunderstood me altogether. Maybe you should re-read my post.

I didn't say

ALL those at St. Mary's are suspect of being weak.

I said

SOME people at St. Mary's might have moved there because they were weak and in need of encouragement from lots of like-minded people.

There is a difference.

I suppose I should clarify that some at St. Mary's are under no suspicion of being weak in their faith.

But everyone at St. Marys is not the same, and there is no "one" reason for moving there. There are all shades of people.

I think this discussion has been quite interesting, helpful, and enlightening. That's why I started it.

Matthew

No I realized that you said some. That's why I added the "may". I suppose I should have added the "some" as well to reflect that I understood that. I've just heard many things about people who move, imprudent, rash, etc...but never weak-minded. That was pretty startling to me. I think it falls under no guts, no glory. It's a risk, it may turn out badly but it may turn out well. You won't know until you try. People who take that chance may be a lot of things, but they ain't weak.

And even if a reason for moving is because they want the company of like-minded people, how is that weak? Isn't that normal? Are we not supposed to seek out the company of those who edify us? Individuals at Trad hubs may be weak in Faith, as you said they're all shades, but I still don't see how a family making untold personal sacrifice to seek out good companions, a Trad school and frequent reception of the Sacraments could ever be viewed as weak, as though those who purposely stay put and risk their souls with lack of support are somehow stronger. It's a terribly inaccurate theory.

wallflower · « **Reply #36 on:** November 21, 2010, 04:29:17 PM »

Quote from: jmid

I did a series of interviews on blog talk radio over the summer on people moving to Post Falls. I wanted people to hear the hard truth of the Catholic Disneyland. I am amazed by the many emails and calls I receive to this day by people all over the world on this topic.

I think only people who have made the move can really appreciate the trials a family goes through, on so many levels.

My family is in the process of moving back East, after 8 years of living here. The person who wrote that being a Catholic is not enough to build a community hit the nail on the head for me. Ethic unity, along with a particular Catholic culture is neccesary for a community to thrive. America is just to plastic a place for a community to grow, I fear.

On another note I plan on doing some more shows on Catholic topics, if anyone is interseted on helping me please feel free to email me at backyardradtrad@yahoo.com

I would have been much more impressed with you had you listened to Emma herself who said that she would have apostatized anyway, no matter how she "was treated". You practically forced her to blame Post Falls. She showed much more intellectual honesty in that interview than you did.

Have you balanced out your work yet by finding families who have made successful transplants and interviewed them on what they did, how they did it and what advice they would give to others contemplating a move?

wallflower · « **Reply #37 on:** November 21, 2010, 04:40:29 PM »

Or perhaps an interview with a religious or priest to see how their transplant to Post Falls (since that seems to be your focus) or any Catholic hub was what encouraged and developed their vocation. No need to sweep the trials and maltreatment and disillusionment under the rug, just keep it constructive and balanced, that would be great.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #38 on:** November 21, 2010, 04:54:04 PM »

Jim & co. did ask for anyone who wanted to to step forward and be interviewed. It looks as if nobody stepped forward.

Hopefully Jim will come back here and add more to the discussion.

wallflower · « **Reply #39 on:** November 21, 2010, 05:02:43 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Jim & co. did ask for anyone who wanted to to step forward and be interviewed. It looks as if nobody stepped forward.

Hopefully Jim will come back here and add more to the discussion.

Yes, I'd be curious to hear...interviewed for what? What is the subject matter he is advertising for? What circles is he going to to ask for interviewees? Based on how biased the other one seemed to be I have difficulty believing he could present the highs and lows in an objective, balanced and constructive fashion. Perhaps he can and will, as I said, I'd love to see it.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #40 on:** November 21, 2010, 05:09:57 PM »

In the thread called Growing Up Traditional, June 16 of this year Jim invited participants.(in the Catholic Living in the Modern World)

Also, I thought he invited people with another point of view to get involved on one of his shows.

jmid · « **Reply #41 on:** November 21, 2010, 06:28:08 PM »

I did ask many people who lived here to come including priests, but they all declined, for one reason or other, but mostly fear.

Not one person who actually lives here has approached me and critized me to my face, or said we were unbalanced. I have had many people including priests tell me that everything on the shows were totally accurate.

Actually they were pretty mild, they could have been much much worse. I turned people away who had some real horror stories.

My point in doing these shows was to give people who are thinking of uprooting themselves a real life view of living here.

As far as Emma, I did not know her, so I didn't know that she apostated. I thought she just fell away, if you thought I led her on then hey your entitled to your opinion. I tried to be as fair as possible.

The talk with John who went to St Mary's was pretty positive.

Like what was mentioned I did invite the critical people from this forum to come on but not one person stepped up. Pretty typical

MyrnaM · « **Reply #42 on:** November 21, 2010, 07:36:49 PM »

There are some who just get nervous when speaking on the radio or T.V. and if effects what they might actually want to say, they forget! That is probably what would have happened to me, anyway. I would come off like the Press Secretary Robert Gibbs eh! ah! oh!, ehhh! ummm!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #43 on:** November 22, 2010, 10:19:12 AM »

I attend Mount St. Michael; true story, about 10 years ago, my grandson, Victor age 3 was at the cemetary at the City of Mary with his parents on Memorial Day. He was bitten by a tic there and died about a week later, so fast. We never went back there since. Nothing to do with the Church, but just a very sad memory.
Although our family has received unusual and miracously like happenings from this tradigy.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #44 on:** November 22, 2010, 12:39:44 PM »

Quote from: jmid

My point in doing these shows was to give people who are thinking of uprooting themselves a real life view of living here.

As far as Emma, I did not know her, so I didn't know that she apostated. I thought she just fell away, if you thought I led her on then hey your entitled to your opinion. I tried to be as fair as possible.

Since you seem to know so much about the affair it sounds like you were actually pretty well acquainted with her.

But it begs the question... why instead of asking the issue to be addressed by the superiors did you instead go make a news story out of it? Why not bring it to the attention of the directors of the school, and if not them WHY NOT THE DISTRICT SUPERIOR??

I think someone without an agenda who is truly concerned would seek amendment, not go about trying to cause scandal ON THE OUTSIDE by rabel rousing (which btw, is what "reporters" do). Your methods, jmid, are not those of a person of good will.