Gary Musselman, the association's executive director, said the organization will not make a decision until it confirms whether St. Mary's Academy has a policy of not allowing female referees to work boys basketball games.

If that is indeed the school's written policy, Musselman said, the association could decide to remove St. Mary's Academy from the list of approved schools and take away its ability to compete against the association's more than 300 member schools.

St. Mary's Academy officials declined comment when contacted by The Associated Press on Wednesday.

St. Mary's Academy is among 30 schools on the list that are not full association members but compete against schools that are. Musselman said St. Mary's Academy plays one or two games per season against member schools but has no more scheduled this school year.

He said if removed from the approved list for next school year, St. Mary's Academy still would be able to compete against approved schools that are not members of the association.

Does this mean St. Mary's could lose its status as an "approved" school in general? Or does this word "approved" just concern playing basketball? Does "approved" mean the same thing as being on the list of members of the association or just approved regardless?

As the values of this society move further away from traditional Catholic ones

No, the values of the Society and traditional Catholic ones are ONE AND THE SAME.

If you see an apparent contradiction, you need to go read up on traditional Catholicism. Read books like the Integrity series, St Thomas Aquinas, etc. and learn more clearly the traditional Catholic position on the male/female question.

Nuns teaching grade school is a completely different matter.

Currently, there aren't enough priests/male teachers to teach all the young men -- which means that we must settle for more female teachers than would be ideal. But that's a "lesser of two evils" proposition. (Public school would be much worse than being taught by a traditional Catholic female)

Below a certain age, boys don't NEED a male influence the way they do when they hit age 11 or 12. It takes a MAN to make a man out of a boy.

As the wise man said...

"Nemo dat quod non habet"

(no one gives what he doesn't have)


Matthew

Quote from: adhoc

As the values of this society move further away from traditional Catholic ones

No, the values of the Society and traditional Catholic ones are ONE AND THE SAME.

If you see an apparent contradiction, you need to go read up on traditional Catholicism. Read books like the Integrity series, St Thomas Aquinas, etc. and learn more clearly the traditional Catholic position on the male/female question.

Nuns teaching grade school is a completely different matter.

Currently, there aren't enough priests/male teachers to teach all the young men -- which means that we must settle for more female teachers than would be ideal. But that's a "lesser of two evils" proposition. (Public school would be much worse than being taught by a traditional Catholic female)

Below a certain age, boys don't NEED a male influence the way they do when they hit age 11 or 12. It takes a MAN to make a man out of a boy.

As the wise man said...

"Nemo dat quod non habet"

(no one gives what he doesn't have)


Matthew

I think adhoc may have been actually referring to human society rather than the SSPX.

It would need to be also considered the example to be given to adolescents watching the game. Maybe there was a consideration of modesty in the issue too.

Then again, if I didn't read it before, I still read it after you mentioned about your first post in this thread, FM.

P.S. Please consider that I can get kind of forgetful about things easily, although your first post did sort of seem familiar to me.  

FourMarks mentioned that we really don't know what the female Ref was wearing. And indeed we don't!

Why not just trust the judgment of a very traditional Catholic school -- which has been excellent in every other area?  I think they have earned the benefit of the doubt.

I think that we armchair theologians who are judging this great Catholic university are not in complete possession of the facts of the case. Let's face it -- the priests at St. Mary's (including the headmaster) certainly know more about theology, philosophy, and Catholic tradition than we do.

That is my position on the issue.

Matthew

Having been a "trad school brat" myself, I can honestly say that there are many weird and wonderful things go on in our SSPX schools that are seen as regrettable by the faculty the next WEEK, let alone in years to come. As with so many of these things, this incident will probably be best committed to memory, to crop up at old boys' and girls' reunions*. There are many decisions taken in such schools that have not necessarily had deep, theologically-inspired forethought, nor have the backing of  the teachers nor parents. I certainly would not wish to enter a legal battle to defend some incidents in my school. Most go unnoticed except among the indignant pupils, who forget about it in a few days anyways. Unfortunately, in this case, the poor female referee will not.

Lest anyone should think that sport is exclusively a male concern in the SSPX world, here in England two of my female cousins,both devout traditionalists, have been members of the women's rugby team at university, without being "cast out into the darkness".




*but not, presumably, together.... :wink: