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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 03:14:43 AM »
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    Just a few points:

    I have no experience in an SSPX school.

    Many ex-students do not practice the faith.

    They can only deteriorate under the present management.

    I know a family who did what you are contemplating and ended up homeschooling.

    Have you considered homeschooling?



    What you say Nadir is correct even for the small school in India. Some of the ex-students do not practice the faith. And the school has a priority over the Mass Centers and along with the "orphanage" is the raison d'etre for the SSPX's existence in India.

    When Fr Valan was with the SSPX he is believed not to have been too keen on these two Indian favorites, and is said to have told a faithful, that the use of volunteers in India was a "scandal"! Of course, I may have got this wrong and he may wish to clarify this.


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    « Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 05:48:17 AM »
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    What you say Nadir is correct even for the small school in India. Some of the ex-students do not practice the faith. And the school has a priority over the Mass Centers and along with the "orphanage" is the raison d'etre for the SSPX's existence in India.

    When Fr Valan was with the SSPX he is believed not to have been too keen on these two Indian favorites, and is said to have told a faithful, that the use of volunteers in India was a "scandal"! Of course, I may have got this wrong and he may wish to clarify this.


    Of course, even in the days when it was easy to get a good Catholic education,  ie in my day, many ex-students did not practice the faith. This is something that cannot be helped. But usually the child takes faith seriously when the parents do. Or I should say they are more likely to. It is never assured. The most important factor is the attitude of the parents. That is why homeschooling is more likely to produce faithful Catholics.

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    They can only deteriorate under the present management.
    I mean that whileever SSPX is tending towards an agreement with the conciliar church, the schools cannot be trusted to continue to teach the Faith. At least one SSPX school that I know has already caved in to some Vat2 on the question of religious liberty.

    I know of another school which employs non-Catholic teacher/s and other schools accept state aid by which they immediately compromised.

    Lastly I don't believe you should be making such statements without assuring they are true, and naming names while you remain anonymous.

    Also India is not open to evangelisation and does not give visas to missionaries. So the situation there cannot be compared with other places like the US or Australia. I cannot say any more on the subject of India in a public forum.  
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    « Reply #17 on: June 04, 2014, 08:53:57 AM »
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    What you say Nadir is correct even for the small school in India. Some of the ex-students do not practice the faith. And the school has a priority over the Mass Centers and along with the "orphanage" is the raison d'etre for the SSPX's existence in India.

    When Fr Valan was with the SSPX he is believed not to have been too keen on these two Indian favorites, and is said to have told a faithful, that the use of volunteers in India was a "scandal"! Of course, I may have got this wrong and he may wish to clarify this.


    Of course, even in the days when it was easy to get a good Catholic education,  ie in my day, many ex-students did not practice the faith. This is something that cannot be helped. But usually the child takes faith seriously when the parents do. Or I should say they are more likely to. It is never assured. The most important factor is the attitude of the parents. That is why homeschooling is more likely to produce faithful Catholics.

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    They can only deteriorate under the present management.
    I mean that whileever SSPX is tending towards an agreement with the conciliar church, the schools cannot be trusted to continue to teach the Faith. At least one SSPX school that I know has already caved in to some Vat2 on the question of religious liberty.

    I know of another school which employs non-Catholic teacher/s and other schools accept state aid by which they immediately compromised.

    Lastly I don't believe you should be making such statements without assuring they are true, and naming names while you remain anonymous.

    Also India is not open to evangelisation and does not give visas to missionaries. So the situation there cannot be compared with other places like the US or Australia. I cannot say any more on the subject of India in a public forum.  


    Yes, statements should not be made and names not be named while remaining anonymous unless of course those named are John XXIII, Paul VI, JPI, JPII, BXVI and Francis.All nice nicety covers the SSPX, both N and MC.  I once said, in great irritation, to an SSPX Asia priest:
    If I say X about you would that constitute calumny?
    Yes, he answered.
    And if you say the same thing about me would that do so?
    No, he answered.

    Concerning   evangelization, the SSPX has obtained faithful mainly via caste fall outs. Singamparai, Asaripalam and Nagercoil. Likewise for RN Kandigai where the faithful ousted a so-called Dalit priest who was assigned to them.

    I once asked a priest ( now married I have been told by another priest) if he could come and give Extreme Unction to a dying faithful by changing his schedule somewhat.

    How can I, he wailed, when I have 1.1billion faithful to cater to. Repeat: 1.1 billion.
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    « Reply #18 on: June 04, 2014, 09:46:21 AM »
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    Also India is not open to evangelisation and does not give visas to missionaries....


    And even if it did give visas, where would the (white-skinned) missionaries come from? Which country in the West has priests to spare? I'm surprised that you are not aware that since the 1970s Indian Catholic priests have been going to work all over the world. For some decades now India has been an EXPORTER OF CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES! Surprise yourself and find out how many of them there are in Australia itself!  Africa as well is now sending priests to Europe and America.
    In 1978 when in Europe, I met a Ugandan priest who told me that when he visited the Vatican he was embarrassed to find that the menial work in that city state was done by Indian nuns. Recently, Pope Francis addressed the clergy of Rome. Take a look at the pictures and see how many Italianos you can spot among the Indians and the Africans (if any at all!).

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    « Reply #19 on: June 04, 2014, 11:27:49 AM »
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    Are you really being fair? Requiring students to attend mass is a stupid policy. Sorry.


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    Are you serious? Of course, students must be required to go to Mass. As a matter of fact, they should be attending daily Mass while in school too, ideally.


    You're ready to hand off their education to a Catholic school, but don't want to be bothered with taking them to Mass? But if it takes place during school hours, thats ok, then- so long as the parents aren't bothered for a couple hours once a week? If the parents don't go to Mass, how are they going to hold together a Catholic family?


    I know parents who are in difficult circuмstances who, due to work, cannot get their kids in early enough. They are trying their best but they are in circuмstances they cannot change. You are uncharitable for thinking the worst of these people. It is sickening, they are silently struggling and people like yourself are sitting there in judgement.

    How about you stop worrying about other Catholic parents, unless you are going to offer a helping hand?


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    « Reply #20 on: June 04, 2014, 11:31:03 AM »
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    Are you really being fair? Requiring students to attend mass is a stupid policy. Sorry.


     :shocked:

    Are you serious? Of course, students must be required to go to Mass. As a matter of fact, they should be attending daily Mass while in school too, ideally.


    You're ready to hand off their education to a Catholic school, but don't want to be bothered with taking them to Mass? But if it takes place during school hours, thats ok, then- so long as the parents aren't bothered for a couple hours once a week? If the parents don't go to Mass, how are they going to hold together a Catholic family?


    I know parents who are in difficult circuмstances who, due to work, cannot get their kids in early enough. They are trying their best but they are in circuмstances they cannot change. You are uncharitable for thinking the worst of these people. It is sickening, they are silently struggling and people like yourself are sitting there in judgement.

    How about you stop worrying about other Catholic parents, unless you are going to offer a helping hand?


    I agree.

    What if one Catholic parent is stuck in a mixed marriage to a non-Catholic and is struggling to pass the Faith into their kids?. A good school can offer a helping hand in those situations in which the home life is less than ideal, or even as an extension to a healthy Catholic home.

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    « Reply #21 on: June 04, 2014, 11:55:07 PM »
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    Also India is not open to evangelisation and does not give visas to missionaries....


    And even if it did give visas, where would the (white-skinned) missionaries come from? Which country in the West has priests to spare? I'm surprised that you are not aware that since the 1970s Indian Catholic priests have been going to work all over the world. For some decades now India has been an EXPORTER OF CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES! Surprise yourself and find out how many of them there are in Australia itself!  Africa as well is now sending priests to Europe and America.
    In 1978 when in Europe, I met a Ugandan priest who told me that when he visited the Vatican he was embarrassed to find that the menial work in that city state was done by Indian nuns. Recently, Pope Francis addressed the clergy of Rome. Take a look at the pictures and see how many Italianos you can spot among the Indians and the Africans (if any at all!).


    If you must talk about missions why not start your own thread?