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Offline SeanJohnson

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SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
« on: June 17, 2020, 07:26:28 AM »
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  • There was scandal last year when Fr. Richard Boyle (prior, Syracuse) published the following Mater Dei Academy Handbook, which included this official policy regarding the SSPX's submission to communist state requirements:

    "Vaccinations In New York, state law requires that children enrolled in a school be immunized against certain diseases. Parents must therefore submit a pupil immunization record upon enrollment, and provide updates as required. If you do not immunize your child(ren) or if you have refused any of the New York State required immunizations, enrollment will not be permitted. Any further detail on the vaccinations required by New York State is available from the school main office upon request. SSPX Statement on Vaccination Schools of the US District of the Society of Saint Pius X comply with vaccination policies of local health and education authorities while adhering to moral principles of the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church does not oppose vaccinations in principle, but it does consider as morally illicit the development of vaccines from aborted fetal tissues. In 2005, the [heretical modernist] Vatican clarified the proper position of all Catholics on this matter, and the SSPX adheres to that declaration. Schools of the SSPX also support parental authority and freedom of choice, in matters not opposed to the moral law. If the state law does not mandate vaccination, neither do our schools. In the event of an outbreak of an infectious disease, our schools work closely with local and state officials to respond according to the guidelines prescribed by the governing authorities.1"
    https://syracuse-a.prod.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/mater_dei_parent_student_handbook_sept_25.pdf

    A reported 50% of parents pulled their children from the school, rather than endanger them (or consent to the at-least questionable moral ruling of the modernist Vatican declaration, which bases itself upon condemned proportionalism to arrive at its conclusion regarding the liceity of receiving vaccines derived from aborted fetal matter).

    Fr. Boyle was rewarded by being placed in charge of all SSPX schools.

    Consequently, and in light of the excerpt above detailing the SSPX rationale for complying with New York state law, it is entirely reasonable to expect similar policies to be implemented in all SSPX schools.  Moreover, with the COVID19 hoax designed (among other reasons) to create a climate for justifying mandatory vaccination, it is likely policies similar to those in New York will eventually spread everywhere.

    This means it is very likely that SSPX parents will now/eventually be coaxed by their SSPX priests into endanger their children by poisoning them in turn for a school education (in addition to having to wrestle with the questionable moral justification given by the modernist Vatican for doing so).

    Masks, quarantines, social distancing, vaccinations, church closures, etc.

    The SSPX seems to be going along with it all, just as their Americanist predecessors did so 125 years earlier.

    PS: As of 12/2019, non-abortive MMR vaccines were no longer available in America, so even if you were willing to destroy your child's immune system, and incur a 54% change of developing a chronic illness, you would still have to wrestle with the moral issue...unless you take solace in the 2005 Vatican paper (released just a couple months after the death of JPII, who condemned the very proportionalism which comprises the justification of that docuмent).
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #1 on: June 17, 2020, 11:10:42 AM »
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  • besides aborted fetal tissues, there are also contaminated vaccines with the use of animal tissue. Such as the contaminated polio vaccines which was given to the tune of 10 million people.  We are getting more info as to the diseases/cancers that are related to these contaminated vaccines of the past. 


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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #2 on: June 19, 2020, 06:26:03 AM »
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  • Compare the SSPX/modernist position with that of Viganò, three cardinals, and 8 bishops:

    “Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.”
    https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2020, 08:52:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: AndyS, 2005 study
    the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use

    This includes: The use of these vaccines is lawful.


    Quote from: Appeal
    Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.

    This includes: The use of these vaccines is morally unacceptable.



    Quote from: AndyS, 2005 study
    So, contrary to what you [SeanJohnson] claim, the study (SSPX) assert the same principle  as Viganò et al. I have never seen you quote a single source honestly. You’re a total fraud.

    Can't you see the contradiction?
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2020, 08:58:03 AM »
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  • Yet more twisted words from you.

    Here’s the 2005 study:
    https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocuмent.htm

    To summarize, it must be confirmed that:

    there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;

    as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women;

    the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);

    such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.


    So, contrary to what you claim, the study (SSPX) assert the same principle  as Viganò et al. I have never seen you quote a single source honestly. You’re a total fraud.


    https://web.archive.org/web/20200619131240/https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/sspx-schools-accepting-mandatory-vaccination/

    Lol!!

    If the 2005 study (which based itself on the condemned moral principle of “proportionalism;” condemned by the same pope who died 1.5 months before this statement came out!) and the position of Vigano are identical, then let the SSPX school handbooks which declare they will comply with state vaccination requirements replace that verbiage with Vigano’s statement above (which says it is morally unacceptable to use them)!

    What a joke!

    What a liar!

    Don’t feed the troll!

    He’s desperate: After a whole day of being refuted by everyone who engaged him yesterday, he’s got to redeem himself to his handlers today.

    But every additional post makes the SSPX sink a bit lower.
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2020, 09:41:48 AM »
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  • Utter rubbish. The Society’s position has always been this:

    http://archives.sspx.org/Catholic_FAQs/catholic_faqs__morality.htm#vaccinationfromabortions (by Fr. Scott)
    Rubbish:
    The Society’s position has been this since 2005.
    In other words, the already rallying SSPX endorses a conclusion of the modernist Vatican which based itself on a moral principle (“proportionalism”) condemned by the same pope who died 1.5 months before the statement is released.
    Hmm...they waited for JPII to die (who was a flaming modernist doctrinally and liturgically, but not morally) before they issued this paper??
    But regardless of all that, Vigano, Schneider, 3 other Cardinals, and 7 other bishops day using the vaccines is morally unacceptable.
    The SSPX says you can use them.
    And as pointed out earlier, if you want to wordsmith Vigano to make him concur with the immoral position of the SSPX, then you need to explain how to reconcile Vigano’s “it is morally unacceptable to use them” with the SSPX’s declaration to comply with state vaccination requirements (ie., require their faithful to use the “morally unacceptable to use” vaccines).
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2020, 09:44:09 AM »
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  • Its not a contradiction. As a principle both the “Appeal” and the SSPX article by Fr. Scott concur. But, the Appeal doesn’t address the specific circuмstances when no alternative is available or when it’s obligatory.

    Vigano: “Morally unacceptable to use them.”  No mention of mitigating circuмstances.

    Already rallying SSPX and modernist Vatican: If no alternative is available (“proportionalism “), you can use them.

    Maybe in certain circuмstances the SSPX can allow abortions and gαy marriage too?  
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #7 on: June 19, 2020, 10:00:13 AM »
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  • In the local diocese, they are already preaching corona virus vaccines from the online pulpits and their Novus ordo newspapers.  Even though there is no vaccine available.  The schools that push mandatory vaccines are the ones taking the communist government silver.  
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #8 on: June 19, 2020, 10:12:25 AM »
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  • How can an intrinsically evil act (abortion) which is ALWAYS unacceptable, even to save the life of a mother, be allowed to POSSIBLY save SOMEONE from a DISEASE just because the intrinsically evil act is somewhat remote? How remote is it really, when the product you are using is directly derived from an intrinsically evil act? And some in the medical community have said that trace amounts of aborted fetal tissue are even injected into the recipient...

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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #9 on: June 19, 2020, 10:43:43 AM »
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  • How can an intrinsically evil act (abortion) which is ALWAYS unacceptable, even to save the life of a mother, be allowed to POSSIBLY save SOMEONE from a DISEASE just because the intrinsically evil act is somewhat remote? How remote is it really, when the product you are using is directly derived from an intrinsically evil act? And some in the medical community have said that trace amounts of aborted fetal tissue are even injected into the recipient...
    By rationalism, that's the only way. Anyone defending it is a rationalist, lying to themselves because it makes life easier. The SSPX and its "faithful" has been doing it for years with annulments.
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #10 on: June 19, 2020, 11:21:41 AM »
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  • It’s not proportionalism. It’s the doctrine of double effect as the article makes clear, but you either don’t have the nous to comprehend it or just using it to smear the SSPX.

    (BTW, no objection from Bp. W. on Fr. Scott’s article...)

    BS.

    The 2005 Vatican docuмent itself acknowledges its justification is based upon (condemned) proportionalism:

    "As regards the diseases against which there are no alternative vaccines which are available and ethically acceptable, it is right to abstain from using these vaccines if it can be done without causing children, and indirectly the population as a whole, to undergo significant risks to their health. However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis. The moral reason is that the duty to avoid passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is grave inconvenience. Moreover, we find, in such a case, a proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children."
    https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocuмent.htm

    Here is what Veritatis Splendor had to say on this method of determining morality:

    "According to these theories, free will would neither be morally subjected to specific obligations nor shaped by its choices, while nonetheless still remaining responsible for its own acts and for their consequences. This "teleologism", as a method for discovering the moral norm, can thus be called — according to terminology and approaches imported from different currents of thought — "consequentialism" or "proportionalism". The former claims to draw the criteria of the rightness of a given way of acting solely from a calculation of foreseeable consequences deriving from a given choice. The latter, by weighing the various values and goods being sought, focuses rather on the proportion acknowledged between the good and bad effects of that choice, with a view to the "greater good" or "lesser evil" actually possible in a particular situation...76. These theories can gain a certain persuasive force from their affinity to the scientific mentality, which is rightly concerned with ordering technical and economic activities on the basis of a calculation of resources and profits, procedures and their effects. They seek to provide liberation from the constraints of a voluntaristic and arbitrary morality of obligation which would ultimately be dehumanizing.
    Such theories however are not faithful to the Church's teaching, when they believe they can justify, as morally good, deliberate choices of kinds of behaviour contrary to the commandments of the divine and natural law."
    http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_jp-ii_enc_06081993_veritatis-splendor.html

    JPII died, and less than 2 months later, the Vatican came out with its statement, which completely rolls over JPII's teaching (which in this particular instance was correct teaching), to arrive at its NEW position.  

    Francis would later take the baton from BXVI and arrive at this scandalous statement (the revolution always evolves into ever-greater depravity): https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/03/vaticans-academy-for-life-encourages-parents-to-vaccinate-children/

    Regarding +BW: What do you expect?  He was an SSPXer!
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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #11 on: June 19, 2020, 11:28:17 AM »
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  • How can an intrinsically evil act (abortion) which is ALWAYS unacceptable, even to save the life of a mother, be allowed to POSSIBLY save SOMEONE from a DISEASE just because the intrinsically evil act is somewhat remote? How remote is it really, when the product you are using is directly derived from an intrinsically evil act? And some in the medical community have said that trace amounts of aborted fetal tissue are even injected into the recipient...

    I agree.  I struggle with the classification of this as REMOTE material cooperation.  Plus the activity itself is intrinsically repugnant ... to inject the fetal cells of a murdered child into your body or the bodies of your children.  That's like saying it's OK to drink the blood of children after they have been killed because you didn't participate in killing them.  This action is somewhat akin to cannibalism which is considered repugnant and against the natural law.  My father-in-law once received a dental implant, and it came from a cadaver, and both my wife and I found that repugnant (just a natural instinct).  And no man was killed to obtain the implant.  So if you combine the natural repugnance of the cannibal-like act of absorbing human cells with the fact of how they were obtained, I don't see how anyone can consider it morally licit.

    There's another aspect to this as well.  We Catholic Christians treat the remains of deceased human beings with respect.  It would be wrong to take a pile of cadavers and blend them into glue at a glue factory and then use that to paste up your wallpaper.  Reminds me of the whole "human lampshade" thing alleged of Mengele.  Would I not find it repugnant to have a lampshade in my home made of human skin?  And then add to it the knowledge that the man whose skin is there had been brutally murdered.  That's due to the gross irreverence for the human body which was designed by God to be a temple of the Holy Spirit.  So why is it any better to inject human remains into our bodies?

    There are several levels of sin and improprieties against natural law that render the practice morally repugnant and illicit that is lost in their mechanical, almost mathematical, use of syllogism here.

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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #12 on: June 19, 2020, 11:40:27 AM »
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  • That's like saying it's OK to drink the blood of children after they have been killed because you didn't participate in killing them.

    Yeah, or eating from a pagan sacrifice just because you didn't offer it. Yet this too has been condemned from the very beginning.

    Ironically, many believe that abortions are actually demonic sacrifices.

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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #13 on: June 19, 2020, 12:16:45 PM »
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  • Even if it could be proved that a particular vaccine used no aborted fetal cells, I would still be against the Church joining the State in requiring universal vaccinations.  There are too many contradictions, and it is a horrible policy, from a variety of perspectives having to do with prudent and just governmental policy.

    1. The reliability of any Covid vaccine will not be known for some time.
    2. Although Covid has reached into all ages and both genders, there are clearly some individuals at higher risk.  Mandating a vaccine universally cannot be justified, based on highly uneven risk.

    High risk individuals in descending order, based on clinical data:

    GROUP ONE:
    Immunocompromised
    Obese
    Hypertensive (especially because of medication interactions)
    Cardiovascular disease (including the medication concern)
    Diabetic
    COPD

    GROUP TWO:
    Elderly with none of the Group One factors

    GROUP THREE:
    All other adults (age 59 and below)

    GROUP FOUR:
    Juveniles, K-12

    GROUP FIVE:
    Infants and toddlers

    3.  Even restricting a mandatory vaccine to Groups One and Two, or both groups together (Elderly + ) does not correspond to other vaccine policies relative to Groups One and Two together.  The government does not mandate flu vaccines or pneumonia vaccines for the elderly, yet the elderly (Group Two) is the group most at risk for death from flu or pneumonia.

    4.  Submitting to a "clean" mandatory vaccine would be another triumph for the State in its relentless efforts to control the population for the sake of control/power -- to create a submissive populace indefinitely, long term, not just in June 2020.  This is what all the rhetoric propaganda has been about:  The end of normal; the beginning and completion of a Cultural Revolution (Cancel Culture, Deconstructionism that began in academia in the second half of the 20th century, etc.) 

    This is so obviously a Left Wing Dream, and it is a dream that is working already, in two ways:  (1) eagerness of the public to submit to the horrible, vacillating, and irrational "health" policies that have been implemented over the last 4 months, with regard to everything in our lives and every personal decision; (2) eagerness of the public for a vaccine.

    We know we've lost the mainstream Church to the secular state already.  They caved in long ago and have agreed to become tools of the destruction of secular tradition, paralleling the destruction of sacred tradition.  But this is a moment of truth for trad orders:  Where are you going, guys?  Where's your backbone?  

    We keep hearing about obedience, obedience, obedience.  But obedience to what and to whom?  The contemporary revolution is diabolical; it is being led by the Devil and empowered by his minions.  Stop cooperating with the devil and start resisting, but craftily.

    A theoretically clean vaccine is not proportional if mandated.

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    Re: SSPX Schools: Accepting Mandatory Vaccination
    « Reply #14 on: June 19, 2020, 12:21:34 PM »
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  • Even if it could be proved that a particular vaccine used no aborted fetal cells, I would still be against the Church joining the State in requiring universal vaccinations.  There are too many contradictions, and it is a horrible policy, from a variety of perspectives having to do with prudent and just governmental policy.
    The Vatican II church is a counterfeit NWO controlled church, so it should not surprise anyone that they join into all vaccinations. By their deeds you shall know them.
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