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Offline SPelli

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Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2023, 06:27:48 PM »
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  • That simple "argument" is based on an ignorance of rudimentary physics. Google the inverse square law of light.

    To put it in layman's terms, light dissipates with range. You can check this for yourself by taking a flashlight to a high place and trying to light up a neighbouring town.

    But that's not what happens with the sun. The light of the sun doesn't gradually dissipate as it passes over, in such a way that while it is still seen high in the sky, it becomes gradually darker on the Earth the farther away the sun gets, and the sun itself gradually fades away into blackness high in the sky. That aint what happens. 

    What happens is that the sun gradually rises from the below the horizon, in such a way, that you first see the top of the bright sun, then you see the middle, then you see the entire sphere of the blindingly bright sun. At that point, it is light outside and it happens in about 30 minutes.  Then the sphere continues to rise high in the sky, passes over head, and then begins its descent, gradually disappearing over the horizon in the same way that it rose.  It remains light outside from the time it rises until the time it begins to set. And the transition from light to dark and vice versa, only takes 30 minutes.  There is no gradual darkness as the sun gets farther away as it remains high in the sky.  It gets dark immediately when (and because) it goes down below the horizon.  And if the Earth were flat, everyone on the surface would see it rise and set at the same time. 

    Disproving FE is simple if you just use good old fashion common sense. 


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #91 on: June 14, 2023, 06:32:50 PM »
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  • And there it is, the magic word. Consistent mirages whenever someone tries to find the curvature it miraculously disappears.

    You just demonstrated to everyone of good will you just wave off evidence and don't explain anything.

    I know all about how mirages work, if you did you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself like this.

    Right, they just throw the word out there, along with refraction.  Mirages don't work for laser experiments, and refraction is disproven by the two-way laser experiments.  It's amazing how mirages just appear on command by Flat Earthers.

    But these are very interesting magical mirages.  So, first the mirage erases the horizon line and water bulge between Dr. John D and the 6 wind turbines between 8 and 11 miles away, and then re-paints the horizon line behind these.  Finally, this mirage repaints each and every one of the turbines (with half a mile between each) so that they follow the exact line that would be expected by perspective, eliminating each and every water bulge between each of the turbines.

    First of all, mirages simply do not and cannot have the properties of bending light.  Most FEs would refer to "refraction".  But with both mirages and refraction you get image distortion.  In any case, with these images you'd have to have a perfectly consistent refraction factor the entirety of the 11 miles shown in the video.  At no point can there be the slightest deviation, or otherwise the images would start blurring badly, with various artifacts all over them.

    It's an epic fail.  But they throw that word out there because they're already decided beforehand that the earth must be a globe and so they come up with anything that sounds good to them and claim its evidence or proof.

    I'd put money on it that no more than 1 of the globers here actually watched the video.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #92 on: June 14, 2023, 06:42:45 PM »
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  • And if the Earth were flat, everyone on the surface would see it rise and set at the same time.
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    Strictly speaking, no one would see it rise and set at all.

    The way we see the sun sink below the horizon is only possible on a globe earth.

    I mentioned this earlier. You can stand on the shore of a large body and water and watch the sun set over the water. You will see the sun sink below the horizon. The bottom half of the sun will disappear behind the surface of the water, and the sun will appear to sink below the surface of the water. It will go lower and lower as more of it falls behind the surface of the water.

    Flat earth theory cannot explain this.

    This is what it looks like.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #93 on: June 14, 2023, 06:43:22 PM »
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  • But that's not what happens with the sun. The light of the sun doesn't gradually dissipate as it passes over, in such a way that while it is still seen high in the sky, it becomes gradually darker on the Earth the farther away the sun gets, and the sun itself gradually fades away into blackness high in the sky. That aint what happens. 

    What happens is that the sun gradually rises from the below the horizon, in such a way, that you first see the top of the bright sun, then you see the middle, then you see the entire sphere of the blindingly bright sun. At that point, it is light outside and it happens in about 30 minutes.  Then the sphere continues to rise high in the sky, passes over head, and then begins its descent, gradually disappearing over the horizon in the same way that it rose.  It remains light outside from the time it rises until the time it begins to set. And the transition from light to dark and vice versa, only takes 30 minutes.  There is no gradual darkness as the sun gets farther away as it remains high in the sky.  It gets dark immediately when (and because) it goes down below the horizon.  And if the Earth were flat, everyone on the surface would see it rise and set at the same time.

    Disproving FE is simple if you just use good old fashion common sense.

    "Common sense" except that your observations and assumptions are entirely incorrect.  "Common sense" for you is codeword for ... you've been brainwashed into the Globe Model and you've construed and interpreted all phenomena as being consistent with it.

    There have been videos showing "sunsets" where the sun appears to be disappearing beneath the "horizon" but then they zoom in and the entirety of the sun is still completely over the horizon.  At certain distances, without the benefit of zoom, the sun is appearing to converge with and sink below the horizon, but that's due to the laws of perspective.  There are in fact videos that have been made showing not only this phenomenon, but then showing the sun completely fade away while the entirety of sun's circle is still above the horizon line.

    This is the same "old fashion common sense" that concludes that ships are going over the horizon when their hulls start to disappear.  But then you zoom in on them with good optics, and the entire ship magically re-appears.  Same thing happens with the sun, there's a perception of setting caused by perspective and convergence with the horizon.  It gets dimmer and dimmer as it gets farther away, until the light is not strong enough to break through the atmosphere between it and the observer.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #94 on: June 14, 2023, 06:50:12 PM »
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  • There have been videos showing "sunsets" where the sun appears to be disappearing beneath the "horizon" but then they zoom in and the entirety of the sun is still completely over the horizon.

    Evidence please.  There is no way a camera can see the sun after it sets below the horizon by zooming in.  Prove me wrong by providing a link to the evidence.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #95 on: June 14, 2023, 07:25:08 PM »
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  • Evidence please.  There is no way a camera can see the sun after it sets below the horizon by zooming in.  Prove me wrong by providing a link to the evidence.

    Here are two showing sun fadeout.  And I'll find the zoom-in that brings the sun back into full view after it appears to have set.  There are also videos showing the sun shrinking over a dry / desert environment, which is not possible if the sun is 93 million miles away.




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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #96 on: June 14, 2023, 07:43:13 PM »
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  • Here are two showing sun fadeout.  And I'll find the zoom-in that brings the sun back into full view after it appears to have set.  There are also videos showing the sun shrinking over a dry / desert environment, which is not possible if the sun is 93 million miles away.




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    Regarding the first video, I don't know what that is a video of, but that is not at all what it looks like when the sun sets over a body of water. This is something you have to see in real life, not on your computer screen. I've seen it in real life. It looks like the image I posted earlier.

    I haven't seen the second video yet, but you can't exactly refute what people see in real life with a video from YouTube. Especially if you're talking about something that is as common a sight as a sunset or a ship disappearing in the distance on the ocean.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #97 on: June 14, 2023, 07:56:50 PM »
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  • Here are two showing sun fadeout.  And I'll find the zoom-in that brings the sun back into full view after it appears to have set.  There are also videos showing the sun shrinking over a dry / desert environment, which is not possible if the sun is 93 million miles away.





    You've got to be kidding.  You accept that video as proof that the sun doesn't set below the horizon - when you can see it happen with your own eyes any day of the week - without question, yet distrust and dismiss anything from NASA that proves the Earth is a globe?  Try a similar test yourself and see if the sun fades away above the horizon or drops below it. 

    Both videos also make it appear that it is dark outside while the sun is above the horizon. Is that what you see at sunset?  Why would you believe an easily manipulated Youtube video over what your own senses perceive? 


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #98 on: June 14, 2023, 08:08:14 PM »
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  • Common sense tells us that, as big as NASA says the sun is, which is 109x bigger than the earth, that we shouldn’t see it disappear at all.  It’s much too big and bright.  

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #99 on: June 14, 2023, 08:11:17 PM »
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  • Here is a sunrise in Myrtle Beach. The same thing but in reverse. It is accelerated so you have to watch quickly:


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #100 on: June 14, 2023, 08:14:00 PM »
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  • Here are two showing sun fadeout.  And I'll find the zoom-in that brings the sun back into full view after it appears to have set.  There are also videos showing the sun shrinking over a dry / desert environment, which is not possible if the sun is 93 million miles away.

    And the second video contradicts the first.  The first shows the full sphere fade away above the horizon; the second video shows half of the sphere below the horizon.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #101 on: June 14, 2023, 08:34:35 PM »
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  • Here is a sunrise in Myrtle Beach. The same thing but in reverse. It is accelerated so you have to watch quickly:


    Perfectly consistent with what we see with our own eyes.  

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #102 on: June 15, 2023, 07:25:33 AM »
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  • Perfectly consistent with what we see with our own eyes. 

    Don't be ridiculous.  There are a thousand reasons why your own "eyes" are mislead by various optical phenomana, from perspective, to atmospheric distortion, moisture in the atmosphere, and a thousand other things.  Next you'll be claiming that you saw the miracle of the sun dancing at Medjugorje.  There are times when the moon looks huge, when it's low on the horizon, due to magnification from atmospheric moisture.  This "what we see with our own eyes" is the biggest bunch of unscientific nonsense I've ever seen ... for those claiming to be "following the science".

    What you're really referring to is your own "brain" and not your eyes.  You've been brainwashed into believing that the earth is a ball in space and so you see what you want to see.

    But there is a ton of evidence to falsify the globe model.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #103 on: June 15, 2023, 07:32:59 AM »
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  • And the second video contradicts the first.  The first shows the full sphere fade away above the horizon; the second video shows half of the sphere below the horizon.

    No it doesn't.  Try to pay attention.  First one shows a sun fadeout.  Second one shows how moisture in the atmosphere and heat (similar to the bike rider) can cause the sun to appear to set due to a reflection of the bottom half of the sun.  But in the second one as well the sun fades away before "descending" below the horizon line.

    You're showing an incredible amount of ignorance, not realizing that sunsets and sunrises can have different appearances due to atmospheric conditions, and particularly the amount of moisture in the atmosphere.

    In fact, the globers have to acknowledge that as well.  Except they acknowledge it only when it servers their agenda and then dismiss it when it doesn't.  If the sun were 93 million miles away, it should never change size (except for a tiny fraction), since a few thousand miles is nothing compared to 93 million.  At all times the sun will be roughly the same distance away.  But there's plenty of video demonstrating the sun changing apparent size.  And the only explanation the globers can use is that it's due to atmospheric conditions.  But then when they have video of the sun APPEARING to "set", suddenly there's no more "atmospheric conditions" in play and what "your own eyes" see is in fact undistorted reality.  This alone demonstrates the intellectual dishonesty of the globers.

    There's plenty of video out there showing the sun decreasing significantly in size as it moves away.  So what would "your eyes" say about that?  In fact, those videos are generally taken over desert environment where there's little atmospheric moisture that could cause magnification.  But atmospheric magnification would generally cause to INCREASE in size as it gets "lower" in the sky, as the lower it gets, the more and more humid atmosphere you'd be looking through.  But the opposite is shown in many videos.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #104 on: June 18, 2023, 06:34:13 PM »
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  • Don't be ridiculous.  There are a thousand reasons why your own "eyes" are mislead by various optical phenomana, from perspective, to atmospheric distortion, moisture in the atmosphere, and a thousand other things.

    So, you don't believe the sun dips below the horizon, even though you can see it happen on any clear day?  Do you really believe everyone's eyes are playing tricks on them?  Do you really believe what happens is that the sun gradually descends at an even pace until it reaches the level of the horizon and then only appears to dip down below it. That when it reaches the level of the horizon, what actually happens is that the light, which would blind you if you stared at it, fades to black in about 30 minutes due to the distance that it travels, and not because it dips below the horizon, which is what your eyes see taking place?  Is that really what you believe?  Or is that what you are forced to believe, against your better judgment, in order to continue believing that the Earth is flat?

    Below are several unbiased sunset videos, the purpose of which is to show the green flash that takes place just before the top of the sun dips below the horizon. The reason it does so, is because green is the last color that appears, but the fact that they are docuмenting the green flash proves that they are not trying to prove the Earth sets; just to docuмent what happens when it does set. 

    Watch these and ask yourself if what is actually happening, is that the entire round sun is fading to black, while remaining above the horizon, and not dipping down below it.




    Did the entire round sun fade to black, while remaining round in appearance, or did the sun gradually dip below the surface?  Here are two more unbiased videos of a sunset.

    SUN SETTING ON OCEAN - Do you see the green flash? - YouTube

    A Green Flash at Sunset. - YouTube


    If the sun dips below the horizon, the Flat earth theory is proven false.  It is as simple as that.