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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2023, 10:00:17 PM »
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  • This is a dishonest or ignorant post (strawman/misrepresentation). The Antarctic treaty has been discussed many times. No one claims that the earth is a flat 'pancake' that you can walk off... They all claim a dome/barrier around it.

    Most flat earths will say density instead of gravity. But the real question is why the direction of density is up/down instead of something else. Gravity is just the current theory.

    There are no dogmatic doctrines on a spinning earth. It is far from infallible certainty...

    Wait.  What??

    The reason nobody can reach the edge of the earth is because of an Antarctic treaty???

    :facepalm:

    Ok, to play along with that, just go to a different edge of the earth and snap some pics.  

    What’s the excuse for not doing that??
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #46 on: June 12, 2023, 11:26:40 PM »
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  • Wait.  What??

    The reason nobody can reach the edge of the earth is because of an Antarctic treaty???

    :facepalm:

    Ok, to play along with that, just go to a different edge of the earth and snap some pics. 

    What’s the excuse for not doing that??
    I'm going to assume you are ignorant. The current idea among flat earthers is that Antarctica compasses the edge of the earth. And the Antarctic treaty prevents people from exploring past the 66° latitude. People have tried and were forced (literally) to turn back or to be destroyed.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #47 on: June 13, 2023, 05:48:37 AM »
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  • I'm going to assume you are ignorant. The current idea among flat earthers is that Antarctica compasses the edge of the earth. And the Antarctic treaty prevents people from exploring past the 66° latitude. People have tried and were forced (literally) to turn back or to be destroyed.

    I’m going to assume you have not yet reached the age of reason, because no adult of sound mind could really believe such stupidity.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #48 on: June 13, 2023, 07:03:55 AM »
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  • I’m going to assume you have not yet reached the age of reason, because no adult of sound mind could really believe such stupidity.

    This is by far the best argument I have seen yet for the Globe ... I'm convinced now.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #49 on: June 13, 2023, 07:05:23 AM »
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  • I’m going to assume you have not yet reached the age of reason, because no adult of sound mind could really believe such stupidity.

    You're clearly ignorant on this matter and are doing nothing but embarrassing yourself.  It is verifiable fact that no private individual is permitted to go south of 60 degrees due to the Antarctic Treaty.  Look it up before making idiotic comments like this.  There are videos out there of people who tried (they weren't even Flat Earthers), and one little boat was met with a battleship and forced to turn around.  Another, in a plane, was met with fighter jets and escorted to the nearest military base.  He asked the base commander whether he would have been shot down if he refused to comply, and the commander answered in the affirmative.  Besides that, the Antarctic Treaty is verifiable fact.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #50 on: June 13, 2023, 07:40:29 AM »
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  • You're clearly ignorant on this matter and are doing nothing but embarrassing yourself.  It is verifiable fact that no private individual is permitted to go south of 60 degrees due to the Antarctic Treaty.  Look it up before making idiotic comments like this.  There are videos out there of people who tried (they weren't even Flat Earthers), and one little boat was met with a battleship and forced to turn around.  Another, in a plane, was met with fighter jets and escorted to the nearest military base.  He asked the base commander whether he would have been shot down if he refused to comply, and the commander answered in the affirmative.  Besides that, the Antarctic Treaty is verifiable fact.

    Uh, Lad, you’re the one embarrassing yourself with this stupidity.

    You should start listing the scientific proofs for Santa Claus or Sasquatch.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #51 on: June 13, 2023, 07:54:01 AM »
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  • Uh, Lad, you’re the one embarrassing yourself with this stupidity.

    You should start listing the scientific proofs for Santa Claus or Sasquatch.

    Another genius refutation of FE, Sean.  I'm even more convinced now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #52 on: June 13, 2023, 08:18:36 AM »
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  • Uh, Lad, you’re the one embarrassing yourself with this stupidity.

    You should start listing the scientific proofs for Santa Claus or Sasquatch.
    What sort of response is this? Complete denial of what he said. And then going off about actual made up stuff (1 being protestant satan claus)...

    In other less charitable parts of the internet, such a response would warrant words such as; glow, shill, jew, bot etc. Because your post is a complete derail from the topic. It's very 'strange' and stands out immediately to honest more 'savvy' readers.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #53 on: June 13, 2023, 08:45:11 AM »
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  • What sort of response is this? Complete denial of what he said. And then going off about actual made up stuff (1 being protestant satan claus)...

    In other less charitable parts of the internet, such a response would warrant words such as; glow, shill, Jєω, bot etc. Because your post is a complete derail from the topic. It's very 'strange' and stands out immediately to honest more 'savvy' readers.

    I think that the derision to which FEs are subjected speaks to the massive programming / propaganda campaign.

    What does it actually matter and why do people spend so much time and energy attacking FE?  If I came on here and posted that I was being visited by purple aliens from the Alpha Centauri system, people would just make the old circle around the ear gesture and move along ... rather than spent hours of their time refuting the claim.

    So if either there was no evidence (and the claims were absurd) or else people did not have some vested emotional interest in the question, there wouldn't be this kind of hostility.  And the fact that people have an emotional / psychological attachment to the NASA globe speaks to the fact that they have been deeply conditioned and propagandized about the matter.  It's also jarring for people to think we have been lied to on such a monumental scale.  It shakes people's entire world view.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #54 on: June 13, 2023, 08:50:10 AM »
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  • As a seperate question. Do you believe in heliocentrism or geocentrism?
    (note that there is also non-flat earth geocentrism)
    Also this was never answered.
    I think that the derision to which FEs are subjected speaks to the massive programming / propaganda campaign.

    What does it actually matter and why do people spend so much time and energy attacking FE?  If I came on here and posted that I was being visited by purple aliens from the Alpha Centauri system, people would just make the old circle around the ear gesture and move along ... rather than spent hours of their time refuting the claim.

    So if either there was no evidence (and the claims were absurd) or else people did not have some vested emotional interest in the question, there wouldn't be this kind of hostility.  And the fact that people have an emotional / psychological attachment to the NASA globe speaks to the fact that they have been deeply conditioned and propagandized about the matter.  It's also jarring for people to think we have been lied to on such a monumental scale.  It shakes people's entire world view.
    Deo gratias that I never had strong faith in the world.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #55 on: June 13, 2023, 08:53:30 AM »
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  • Bottom line for me is that I can find no plausible explanation for the above (and myriad other experiments demonstrating the same thing), as well as the entire phenomenon where somehow gravity causes the earth's atmosphere to stick to our alleged globe adjacent to the allegedly nearly-infinite vacuum of space.  No experiment has ever demonstrated that this is possible.

    From a theological perspective, I have yet to see an adequate explanation from the Globe Earthers for the Firmament, which the Church Fathers unanimously believed to be an actual physical object solid enough to keep actual physical waters from inundating the surface of the earth (except when God allowed some of the water through during the Flood).

    As for "ridicule," Bishop Williamson, I'm sure, runs the risk of subjecting Traditional Catholics to ridicule due to his views on the h0Ɩ0h0αx, 9/11, Oklahoma City, etc.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #56 on: June 13, 2023, 08:56:06 AM »
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  • Also this was never answered.Deo gratias that I never had strong faith in the world.

    I was already aware of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs, such as around 9/11, the h0Ɩ0h0αx, and myriad others.  Yet, despite that, it still took me a long time to come to terms with Flat Earth.  That too speaks to how deep the programming runs.  Every single child does the old styrofoam ball solar system as one of their first science projects, when they barely know how to spell, and have to stare at the globe on their teacher's desk for years on end.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #57 on: June 13, 2023, 09:14:33 AM »
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    You should start listing the scientific proofs for Santa Claus or Sasquatch.
    Santa Claus is based on St Nicholas and i've seen Sasquatch and Santa on tv so both are real.  :laugh1:

    But I do wait for the day when Big Foot is proven.  It's a vast, vast world out there.  They could easily exist.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #58 on: June 13, 2023, 09:26:08 AM »
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    Bottom line for me is that I can find no plausible explanation for the above (and myriad other experiments demonstrating the same thing), as well as the entire phenomenon where somehow gravity causes the earth's atmosphere to stick to our alleged globe adjacent to the allegedly nearly-infinite vacuum of space.  No experiment has ever demonstrated that this is possible.
    Yes, the atmosphere next a vacuum in space makes no sense.  Gravity, as explained, is not a sufficient answer.  Density of each type of matter has to come into the equation somehow.  Or...the simplest answer is that the vacuum in space doesn't come into contact with earth's atmosphere because of the firmament.

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    From a theological perspective, I have yet to see an adequate explanation from the Globe Earthers for the Firmament, which the Church Fathers unanimously believed to be an actual physical object solid enough to keep actual physical waters from inundating the surface of the earth (except when God allowed some of the water through during the Flood).
    Satan's minions (starting with the Greek scientists in the Old Testament) had to get rid of the firmament because belief in such

    1.  Proves the story of Noah's Ark, the Garden of Eden, the coming of the Redeemer, and the Israelite religion, and the existence of God, etc
    2.  Disallows belief in pagan rituals, sun worship, aliens, etc

    This is just part of satan's attack on Truth and God.  It's basic good vs evil.  The devil inverts everything.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #59 on: June 13, 2023, 11:35:57 AM »
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  • Certainly I believe that the earth is flat.  It's been demonstrated repeatedly through experiment beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Hmm, okay.  Here are a few objections that immediately come to mind.  There are four times zones in the US.  On the east coast, the sun rises from below the horizon first; an hour later, those in the central time zone see it rise; an hour after that, those in mountain time see it rise, and lastly, those on the west coast see it rise from below the horizon.  If the Earth were flat, everyone in the country would see the sun rise at the same time. 

    Second, if the sun is in the sky in one time zone, everyone on the flat Earth would see it.  If it was light in one location, it would never be dark in any other location.

    Now, if you reply to the second objection by arguing that the sun shines like a flashlight, in the sense that it shines light directionally, with only a circular portion of the flat Earth lit up, this is my reply: if the sun's light is directional like a flashlight, it would not appear to rise from below the horizon, but would pass overhead and immediately light up that portion that came into the circle of its directional light, just like a flashlight immediately lights up that portion of the ground that it shines on. 

    In addition, the reason directional light is directional, is because something is blocking it in other direction. Light itself shines in all directions at the same time. The reason a flashlight shines the way it does, is because the light bulb (that shines in all directions) is tucked away into a casing that only allows the light to escape in one direction.  Do you believe the sun is a light that is tucked away in a casing that prevents it from shining in all directions? If not, it would never happen that one location on the Earth is dark while another sees the sun high in the sky.

    And if the sun was tucked away in a casing that only allowed it to shine on a circular portion of the Earth, while always being high in the sky above the flat Earth, you would never see the full circular sun just above the level of the horizon.

    Those are my objections.  What are your answers?