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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2023, 11:44:04 AM »
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  • Bergoglio is trying to wash away all vestiges of the Latin Mass under his circus tent. God, in His turn, reveals what may turn out to be a bona fide case of miraculous incorruption, firmly set in the midst of the camp of the novus ordo traditionalists. Bergoglio is checkmated perhaps, because the incorrupt one is black, a member of his wokish victim class, a reparation claimant. How could he assail one of his own sacred cows? It's too rich. The irony itself is a piece of circuмstantial evidence in favor of a Divine origin of the phenomenon.

    While it's possible that God is sending this as a sign to Jorge (perhaps his end draws near, and God is giving him a chance to repent), Bergoglio is just as likely to interpret this as God's endorsement of woke ideology.

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #31 on: May 28, 2023, 12:10:08 PM »
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  • And so it begins ...
    https://angelusnews.com/faith/sister-mary-wilhelmina-lancaster-incorruptible-black-catholics/

    Nun's possibly incorrupt remains point to rich U.S. Black Catholic heritage, say experts
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    As word has spread, hundreds of pilgrims have been flocking to the monastery to gently touch and pray before the body of a woman whose life story -- along with those of three other African American nuns now on the path to sainthood -- "embodies the fundamental truth that Black history is and always has been Catholic history in the U.S.," said Shannen Dee Williams, associate professor of history at the University of Dayton, Ohio, and author of “Subversive Habits: Black Catholic Nuns in the Long African American Freedom Struggle.

    Her race is going to overshadow or completely eclipse any mention of her Traditional leanings.


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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #32 on: May 28, 2023, 02:04:49 PM »
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  • And so it begins ...
    https://angelusnews.com/faith/sister-mary-wilhelmina-lancaster-incorruptible-black-catholics/

    Nun's possibly incorrupt remains point to rich U.S. Black Catholic heritage, say experts
    Her race is going to overshadow or completely eclipse any mention of her Traditional leanings.

    Yes, race may possibly overshadow her devotion to tradition and the Old Mass. But given that she was far, far away from any kind woke ideology, it's more likely that she will be an enigma, which may cause more people to investigate her, to find out how it can be that a black American can be so devoted to Tradition and the Old Mass.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #33 on: May 28, 2023, 02:22:49 PM »
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  • Yes, race may possibly overshadow her devotion to tradition and the Old Mass. But given that she was far, far away from any kind woke ideology, it's more likely that she will be an enigma, which may cause more people to investigate her, to find out how it can be that a black American can be so devoted to Tradition and the Old Mass.
    Meg, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scipio_A over on Fisheaters years back have good relations with you?
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #34 on: May 28, 2023, 02:32:20 PM »
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  • Meg, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scipio_A over on Fisheaters years back have good relations with you?

    I don't remember a Scipio at Fisheaters at all, but I'm pretty sure that there was a Scipio on the old Angelqueen forum, which I participated on for quite a few years. I don't recall anything about him from Angelqueen though, but the name looks very familiar. Why do you ask?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #35 on: May 28, 2023, 02:51:23 PM »
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  • I don't remember a Scipio at Fisheaters at all, but I'm pretty sure that there was a Scipio on the old Angelqueen forum, which I participated on for quite a few years. I don't recall anything about him from Angelqueen though, but the name looks very familiar. Why do you ask?
    Scipio_A (I forget if there was an underscore) and his wife Underdog were Fisheaters' members way back. Perhaps I'm confusing you with someone else. I didn't spend too much time on Angelqueen forum, mainly lurking.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #36 on: May 28, 2023, 03:15:08 PM »
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    Sat May 27, 2023 - 6:29 pm EDT


    GOWER, Missouri (LifeSiteNews) — A Benedictine congregation of nuns in Missouri has released its first statement since unexpectedly discovering the intact remains of their foundress nearly four years after her death.
    Pilgrims have been flocking to Gower, Missouri, after the body of Sr. Wilhelmina of the Most Holy Rosary, foundress of the Benedictine Sisters of Mary, Queen of the Apostles, was exhumed on April 28.
    LifeSiteNews is publishing in full the newly released statement, which was sent by email to friends of the community earlier today.

    Dear Families, Friends and Benefactors,
    By now, most of you have heard of the events that have transpired at the Abbey, especially surrounding the exhumation of our Sister Wilhelmina. We simply want to reach out to you to clarify a few points.
    Our Abbey had been planning the addition of a St. Joseph Shrine within the oratory for quite some time, including the reinterment of the remains of our beloved foundress, Sister Wilhelmina. Last month, in preparation for the construction of the shrine, we exhumed her, having been told to expect bones in the highly moist clay of Missouri, as she was buried in a simple wooden coffin without any embalming whatsoever four years ago.
    The intent was devotional, and to carry this out in the privacy of our cloistered life. Nevertheless, the discovery of what appeared to be an intact body and a perfectly preserved religious habit created an unexpected twist to our plans. We had no intent to make the discovery so public, but unfortunately, a private email was posted publicly, and the news began to spread like wildfire. However, God works in mysterious ways, and we embrace His new plan for us.
    Many have voiced concern about the disruption to our life, but we have, thankfully, remained unaffected and able to continue on in our life of ora at labora, prayer and work, as Sister Wilhelmina would have it. Unless we looked out the front windows, or out at the crowds attending our Mass and Divine Offices, we would not even know people are here. An army of volunteers and our local law enforcement have stepped forward to manage the crowds, and we are deeply grateful to each of them, as they allow us to continue our life in peace, while granting the visitors a pleasant and prayerful experience at the Abbey.
    Regarding what seems to be the miraculous preservation of Sister’s body, we are given the opportunity to contemplate the great gifts God gives us every day, especially the ones that are literally hidden from our eyes. St. Augustine said that “We marvel at what is extraordinary. Think of the fact that a few seeds bring forth an entire field of wheat.” Of this and ordinary daily miracles, he says, “We don’t bother to reflect on this fact because it is always there. What we notice are events that aren’t part of the ordinary course of nature. They are works that God has reserved for particular times and places to cause us amazement and dumbfound us so that we will open our minds to God’s presence and care in all events and beauties.” We believe that even as Sister Wilhelmina’s whole life and death was a miracle, pointing the way to Almighty God, that what she has left behind continues to point to His Resurrection and the life of glory that awaits us.


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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #37 on: May 28, 2023, 07:01:06 PM »
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  • Some skeptical observations: 
    1. The cloistered "Benedictines" are allowed access to internet and email.
    2. The exact replica wax mask was suddenly produced for this surprise discovery.
    3. The habit was intact and yet the hair was visible when exhumed and now the coif is as white as snow - looks new. 
    4. The original picture that they released showed hands that were dark black as if charred, now they look different. 
    5. If the plan all along was to have her remains as "foundress" be enshrined in the chapel, why did they bury her in the dirt to begin with? 
    6. Why allow the laity to come and tamper with her body if there has yet to be an investigation.
    7. Just re-read the line "we gave her a wax mask" and let that sink in. 

    Here is what I understand to be part of the leaked email:

    “We are so grateful to God!!  The coffin cracked down the middle, and we were told to expect bones at this point. Mother Abbess screamed when she looked into the crack with a flashlight and saw the socked foot as full and fresh as the day we buried her. The crack caused quite a bit of damage to the face, but everything is still there, hair, eyes, lips, nose, eyebrows, eyelashes. We gave her a wax mask and cleaned her up, but most remarkable of all is that her habit was untouched, in better shape than most of ours, without a hole or thread out of place. All the fabric lining the coffin was gone, and the wood starting to rot, but everything touching her was preserved, including the ribbon on her profession candle and the dried flowers.

    We have told the Bishop, who will be coming at the end of the month. In the meantime Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Bishop Finn have paid her visits. Bishop Finn came down right after he heard. We are happy to have anyone who would like to come visit between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.  She is laid out in the parlor until the altar is completed and installed on May 29th. Her hands and skin are drying up now, but so far so good! We will be happy to see you whenever it works. May God bless you!”

    In Corde Mediatricis,
    Sister Scholastica


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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #38 on: May 28, 2023, 08:28:04 PM »
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  • While it's possible that God is sending this as a sign to Jorge (perhaps his end draws near, and God is giving him a chance to repent), Bergoglio is just as likely to interpret this as God's endorsement of woke ideology.

    Yes, God gives people many chances; and the vast multitude blow it.

    I can see, both from posts on this thread, and from external sources, that a three ring circus tent has been erected over this incident. It's going to turn into a giant duel between the believers and the skeptics, ad nauseum.

    My one and only hope is that, if this is real, the skeptics don't do what you've described above - misinterpret the Divinely-sent sign.

    As for my own mental meanderings, I plan on avoiding the "was she holy or not holy?" side of the road. I choose the typology/symbology/sign, "what is God doing?" path.

    If this is real, I feel strongly it is not about the black nun, just as Fatima was not about the three Portuguese children. This nun was novus ordo, after all, and may have been laboring under a multitude of compromises or failures or ignorances or human weaknesses. She may have done many cringe-worthy things. It is about Holy Mother Church and where we are in her history, and even in the Book of the Apocalypse.

    If it is real, God chose her for a reason. Unfortunately there is so much human traffic over this thing, beginning with the convent, that we have the all-too frequent problem that Sherlock Holmes experienced - stampedes of rhinos running over his crime scene before he gets to examine it. As with all current events, we are going to be barraged with salvos of contradictory factoids. Thus we may a hard time finding God in it, Who protests to us that He is in the silence, and is seen only by the still.

    I have a strong sense of needing to return to silence and stillness - of needing to put this into a box, to be set aside for later. It's one of those things one might want to file away for future reference, rather than allow it to drive current thinking or decisions. 

    If God is the direct cause of this, and He is signaling deep mysteries about the Church, then He has only just begun, given the state of misery it's in. More will certainly follow. We should watch Him very closely now, and not so much the "Wilhemina train" - or train wreck, as it were.

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #39 on: May 28, 2023, 08:41:33 PM »
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  • These nuns are serviced by the FSSP - Fraternity of St. Peter.  Are they not attached to Modernist Rome and local Novus Ordo Archbishops?

    Do these nuns oppose Vatican II?  How "orthodox" are they - or is it "smells and bells"?  Yes, it matters. 

    Holiness now, lies in orthodoxy, in addition to piety, etc. 
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #40 on: May 28, 2023, 08:51:44 PM »
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  • These nuns are serviced by the FSSP - Fraternity of St. Peter.  Are they not attached to Modernist Rome and local Novus Ordo Archbishops?

    Do these nuns oppose Vatican II?  How "orthodox" are they - or is it "smells and bells"?  Yes, it matters.

    Holiness now, lies in orthodoxy, in addition to piety, etc.

    Ain't nuthin' you said that ain't true. But I'm not convinced either way. The more I think about it, the more of an impenetrable bugaboo it seems. Reminds me of the trad movement.  

    Oh well, back to spiritual reading! LOL!!


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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #41 on: May 28, 2023, 09:08:38 PM »
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  • Ain't nuthin' you said that ain't true. But I'm not convinced either way. The more I think about it, the more of an impenetrable bugaboo it seems. Reminds me of the trad movement. 

    Oh well, back to spiritual reading! LOL!!
    Yes - it is certainly interesting!  A little suspicious -yet very intriguing.  The True Church is the most skeptical of phenomena.  And this group is planning to put the Sister in a glass case for further display!  They are raising money for more property - and there is money in "religious tourism. We will have to see how it plays out - praying God for enlightenment.  The question is: Cui bono?  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #42 on: May 29, 2023, 06:11:50 AM »
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  • I visited the open grave of Eileen O’Connor, a badly crippled woman who lived in the next suburb to me. She founded from her bed a community of women, nurses to serve the most impoverished sick in their own homes. As a child I observed her Our Ladies Nurses in their brown habits and pill-box hats.

    here is an excerpt of the story of the exhumation of her body.

    “JUST AS THEY LAST SAW HER”
    https://www.ourladysnurses.org.au/just-they-last-saw-her

    19 December 1936. Eileen O’Connor’s body is exhumed from Randwick Cemetery for reinterment in the chapel at Our Lady’s Home. Upon opening the casket, her body is found to be incorrupt. Mr W.J. Dixon of Darlinghurst Funeral Directors recalls: “After the exhumation at the cemetery, the unopened casket was taken to our Funeral Chapel at 347 Anzac Parade, Kingsford, where a large number of Our Lady’s Nurses for the Poor awaited us. The Nurses asked me to open the sealed lead casket and remove the inner pine lid. This was done, and I was startled to see Eileen O’Connor lying there as though asleep in her simple blue gown, her hair lying naturally down each side of her face, and her hands joined on her breast. The skin appeared slightly dark and the eyes seemed a little sunken, but, not having the good fortune to know her in life, I could not know if this was natural. Our Lady’s Nurses then gathered around the open casket and appeared not in the least surprised at seeing their ‘Little Mother’ (Eileen O’Connor) as they last saw her 16 years earlier.” The nurses rested rosary beads and other religious items on Eileen’s body and recited the rosary and other prayers for about an hour. This image shows a set of rosary beads that were removed from Eileen’s casket that day. Eileen’s casket was re-interred in the new chapel at Our Lady’s Home, Coogee.


    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #43 on: May 29, 2023, 06:25:23 AM »
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  • Some years ago I attended a gathering for a special occasion at Our Lady’s Home in Coogee and the sisters had opened her grave for viewing. There was no possibility of touching her body as in the case of Sr Wilhemina, but only of viewing and praying, as her body was sunken below floor level and you could only look into the hole which was kept closed except for special occasions..

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: Sr. Wilhelmina Incorrupt?
    « Reply #44 on: May 29, 2023, 06:32:20 AM »
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  • 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.