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Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2022, 12:40:00 AM »
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  • Quote verbatim where I or anyone here has "condoned sin."

    You cannot because we have not.

    You are a habitual liar.

    Naw. You would just deny it. As always. 
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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #91 on: April 02, 2022, 12:43:58 AM »
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  • You have never and can never quote anyone here for "condoning sin."

    You are a habitual liar.

    I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases. No sin.

    I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles. No sin.

    I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse). No sin.

    I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."

    Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.). Recognizing and acknowledging the limits of sinless use.

    Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm. Serious sin—objectively.


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #92 on: April 23, 2022, 10:52:17 AM »
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  • Re: Legalization of MJ, just another Steppingstone to Enslavement
    « Reply #124 on: Today at 10:48:27 AM »

    Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 10:26:50 AM
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    Some of you who made various slanderous accusations should not dare to post again on the subject until making a retraction of the following (to the extent that you have posted these things).  I will insist on this in the interests of justice.

    1) calling us "dopers"
    2) claiming that we have advocated "getting high for fun"
    3) claiming that we "condone mortal sin"
    4) asserting that we only defend these Catholic principles because we "like marijuana"

    You will retract these statements, and apologize for making them, and acknowledge that the people arguing the opposite side are doing so in good faith, simply applying the Catholic principles enunciated by a large number of well-trained and highly-respected pre-Vatican II moral theologians whose works bore imprimaturs and nihil obstats.

    I will keep reposting this in response to all subsequent posts until the retraction has been made.
    I have no problem not slandering people, I even started this thread on the subject and you and others on this thread said here that there's nothing wrong with slandering that if I can't take it, to not speak about controversial subjects. Do you think that the phases above are worse than I calling you an A-hole, a leg spreader, or accusing you of glorifying your sinful life with girls.... as you and others have used against me innumerable times. No, you have clearly stated many times that all name calling is Ok, because we are not real people. The problem here is that you can't take it.

    This is where women are better equipped than men for dealing with this "system" of CI for insults (really anything goes, like the wild West ) they have an innate  natural system for shedding insults like a duck shed water, never insulting back in kind . A man's system is to beat the tar out of the insulter, but on the internet that is useless and so the cowards can say anything.





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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #93 on: April 23, 2022, 11:11:49 AM »
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  • I have no problem not slandering people, I even started this thread on the subject and you and others on this thread said here that there's nothing wrong with slandering that if I can't take it, to not speak about controversial subjects. Do you think that the phases above are worse than I calling you an A-hole, a leg spreader, or accusing you of glorifying your sinful life with girls.... as you and others have used against me innumerable times. No, you have clearly stated many times that all name calling is Ok, because we are not real people. The problem here is that you can't take it.

    Making slanderous (libelous) statements is NOT ok.

    But I have to agree with Last Tradhican on this one narrow point: calling names is not charitable. Mark79, every time you call LT a "leg spreader" you are *not* helping your case any. You are guilty of the classic blunder of "sinking to his level" and I know you are better than that.

    Mark79 and Ladislaus (and others) are the sane ones -- THE ONES IN-THE-RIGHT -- in these MJ threads, and I completely agree with them. But name calling like that is wrong ON ANY SIDE. Don't let them bait you. Don't sink to their level. Keep the moral high ground.

    I must point out, though, that calling someone a simple name is not quite as bad as making a specific slanderous accusation. Anyone who can't see the difference is beyond help:

    A) "A**holes like you..."    "Potheads and dopers"
    B) "You are a Rabbi sent to infiltrate and undermine this forum."

    A is just mindless name calling, obviously the result of emotion and uttered in the heat of an argument. Sometimes such names can even have a touch of wit/cleverness or biting critique.
    B is a cold, premeditated, malicious effort to LIE and DESTROY a person's good name -- keeping in mind there is zero evidence for the accusations thrown out. The accuser *knows* they are false, but he utters them anyhow. That shows a certain premeditation and malice. Also, the accuser is in complete earnest about the accusation. He goes out of his way to show it's NOT just a name he's calling. He's taking it to the next level.

    It may be sinful to call names, but it is *not* the same level of malice as telling a known lie to destroy someone's reputation.

    Scripture talks about not blabbing your sins to the world, because others will "defend your sin as it were" and despise you for it. If LT hadn't told the world about his past life, Mark wouldn't have that ammo to use against him. I'm not saying throwing someone's past (presumably confessed?) sins in their face isn't wrong -- I'm just saying it's a much lower level of malice.
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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #94 on: April 23, 2022, 11:14:29 AM »
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  • I'm not referring to name-calling, but to the following false statements that have been used to smear their opponents on this issue.  To constantly be told that we're advocating mortal sin is getting extremely old.

    1) calling us "dopers"
    2) claiming that we have advocated "getting high for fun"
    3) claiming that we "condone mortal sin"
    4) asserting that we only defend these Catholic principles because we "like marijuana"


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #95 on: April 23, 2022, 11:20:28 AM »
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  • On one level, I could hardly care less about marijuana.  I've never used it and have no intention to do so (unless of course I were afflicted with some condition that might benefit from it).  What I object to are the exaggerations and the violation of right reason, ignoring pretty basic Catholic theological principles due to some emotion-based animus against marijuana, and then smearing those who defend the rational principles behind it as promoters of mortal sin simply for refusing to agree with their hyperbole.

    I likened it earlier to the following.  It's like saying that because short skirts are immodest, women should be required under pain of sin to have ankle-length dresses, and that those who disagree with that just like looking at womens' calves.  That's precisely what's going on here.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #96 on: April 23, 2022, 11:22:38 AM »
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  • Ecclesiasticus Chapter 19:

    if there be a sin with thee, disclose it not. [9] For he will hearken to thee, and will watch thee, and as it were defending thy sin he will hate thee, and so will he be with thee always.
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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #97 on: April 23, 2022, 11:29:55 AM »
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  • Making slanderous (libelous) statements is NOT ok.

    But I have to agree with Last Tradhican on this one narrow point: calling names is not charitable. Mark79, every time you call LT a "leg spreader" you are *not* helping your case any. You are guilty of the classic blunder of "sinking to his level" and I know you are better than that.

    Mark79 and Ladislaus (and others) are the sane ones -- THE ONES IN-THE-RIGHT -- in these MJ threads, and I completely agree with them. But name calling like that is wrong ON ANY SIDE. Don't let them bait you. Don't sink to their level. Keep the moral high ground.

    I must point out, though, that calling someone a simple name is not quite as bad as making a specific slanderous accusation. Anyone who can't see the difference is beyond help:

    A) "A**holes like you..."    "Potheads and dopers"
    B) "You are a Rabbi sent to infiltrate and undermine this forum."

    A is just mindless name calling, obviously the result of emotion and uttered in the heat of an argument. Sometimes such names can even have a touch of wit/cleverness or biting critique.
    B is a cold, premeditated, malicious effort to LIE and DESTROY a person's good name -- keeping in mind there is zero evidence for the accusations thrown out. The accuser *knows* they are false, but he utters them anyhow. That shows a certain premeditation and malice. Also, the accuser is in complete earnest about the accusation. He goes out of his way to show it's NOT just a name he's calling. He's taking it to the next level.

    It may be sinful to call names, but it is *not* the same level of malice as telling a known lie to destroy someone's reputation.

    Scripture talks about not blabbing your sins to the world, because others will "defend your sin as it were" and despise you for it. If LT hadn't told the world about his past life, Mark wouldn't have that ammo to use against him. I'm not saying throwing someone's past (presumably confessed?) sins in their face isn't wrong -- I'm just saying it's a much lower level of malice.
    See I don't see it the way you do Matthew. To me it is very simple, a man should not call another man any names unless they want to get a fist in their face. To me calling someone names on the internet is no different than if it was face to face and anyone that does it is just a coward hiding behind a screen and no gentleman. I have no problem eliminating all insults here on CI, but what you write above is not eliminating all insults, it is just justifying one insult over another. I do not think anyone here on CI would say the insults that I Meg, Viva I and and others get regularly and continuously here on CI, that you appear to be justifying above, I do not think that they would say them if they were face to face with me. THAT is the way it should be on CI, talk should be as if we were face to face, two gentlemen.


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #98 on: April 23, 2022, 11:31:20 AM »
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  • Thanks for the fraternal correction, Matthew.  I’ll try to stop the name calling. Maybe I need a break from the forum in the style of somebody else’s here. 

    I would like them to stop stinking up the forum though. This place is a good source of information and it’s a shame to see it sink so low for so long. 

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #99 on: April 23, 2022, 11:35:45 AM »
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  • See I don't see it the way you do. To me it is very simple, a man should not call another man any names unless they want to get a fist in their face. To me calling someone names on the internet is no different and anyone that does it is just a coward hiding behind a screen.
    You absolutely cannot stand being unable to make a visual judgment of your opponent, can you? You really can't. And this is because you're simply faced with the argument as it is and can't attack the person posing it.

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    unless they want to get a fist in their face.
    I can also discern that you're pretty effeminate to be willing to resort to violence to defend your bruised ego. God help you.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #100 on: April 23, 2022, 11:46:03 AM »
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  • You absolutely cannot stand being unable to make a visual judgment of your opponent, can you? You really can't. And this is because you're simply faced with the argument as it is and can't attack the person posing it.
    I can also discern that you're pretty effeminate to be willing to resort to violence to defend your bruised ego. God help you.
    In a thread about eliminating insults the poster unloads with insults. Moreover, the poster is a newbie and has never composed a thought of his  own, posting almost exclusively insults and parroting of others that he follows. I answer the leaders that pose what he follows, I do not have time to answer their followers. My answer is for leaders and followers.


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    « Reply #101 on: April 23, 2022, 11:50:46 AM »
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  • You have never and can never quote anyone here for "condoning sin."

    You are a habitual liar.

    I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases. No sin.

    I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles. No sin.

    I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse). No sin.

    I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."

    Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.). Recognizing and acknowledging the limits of sinless use.

    Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm. Serious sin—objectively.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #102 on: April 23, 2022, 11:59:09 AM »
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  • This is where women are better equipped than men for dealing with this "system" of CI for insults (really anything goes, like the wild West ) they have an innate  natural system for shedding insults like a duck shed water, never insulting back in kind . A man's system is to beat the tar out of the insulter, but on the internet that is useless and so the cowards can say anything.
    I wonder why you believe this...

    Maybe because your wife, half your age, is afraid to insult you back?
    I have heard an awful lot of women insult people and they can be vicious!  Never heard the phrase "cat fighting?"

    Only a narcissist man would consider beating the tar out of the insulter.  A Catholic man should walk away as Christ would.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #103 on: April 23, 2022, 12:03:51 PM »
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  • Why is it that you don't cite the horrible things that Mark79 has posted on this subject, towards those who disagree with him?

    As Ladislaus said, why don't YOU cite these horrible things? I'd wager because they don't exist. 
    The burden of proof is on you. Come on, you have the Moderator's ear. Let's have it!

    Time to put up or shut up.
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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #104 on: April 23, 2022, 12:07:58 PM »
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  • See I don't see it the way you do Matthew. To me it is very simple, a man should not call another man any names unless they want to get a fist in their face. To me calling someone names on the internet is no different than if it was face to face and anyone that does it is just a coward hiding behind a screen and no gentleman. I have no problem eliminating all insults here on CI, but what you write above is not eliminating all insults, it is just justifying one insult over another. I do not think anyone here on CI would say the insults that I Meg, Viva I and and others get regularly and continuously here on CI, that you appear to be justifying above, I do not think that they would say them if they were face to face with me. THAT is the way it should be on CI, talk should be as if we were face to face, two gentlemen.
    Putting your fist in someone's face due to an insult directed at you is not gentlemanly, nor is it Christ-like (i.e. Christian).  It is narcissistic.

    You, VCR, and Meg  commit "cold, premeditated, malicious effort to LIE and DESTROY a person's good name -- keeping in mind there is zero evidence for the accusations thrown out. The accuser *knows* they are false, but he utters them anyhow. That shows a certain premeditation and malice. Also, the accuser is in complete earnest about the accusation. He goes out of his way to show it's NOT just a name he's calling. He's taking it to the next level.

    "It may be sinful to call names, but it is *not* the same level of malice as telling a known lie to destroy someone's reputation."