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Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2022, 09:46:30 PM »
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  • Viva, no offense, but you have some of the worst theological arguments I've ever heard. Your self-righteousness is not Catholic and it reeks of Pharisee behavior.

    It is not Catholic, but it comes from the Church of Self.
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #61 on: March 31, 2022, 09:48:18 PM »
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  • Why are we being called Pharisees?

    Because those who are verbally attacking us are in a state of mortal sin with no plans of repenting.  They are trying to make mortal sin acceptable in society and in traditional chapels.  Like a liberal atheist, they will accuse Catholics as Pharisees etc. 


    They are smoking pot, watching porn, struggling with sodomy or waiting for it to be acceptable, adultery, etc.  They have zero intentions of relenting for sins.  We know for a fact per Pew survey that there are already 2 percent traditional Catholics in the pews who are pro same sex marriage and pro abortion.  I don’t think Jesus had much love for sodomites who failed to repent.

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    But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.
    You are the worst of the worst trad Catholic I have ever read.  Worse than Pablo, the lay exorcist.  

    How can you possibly know that "those attacking you" are on a state of mortal sin?  Such detraction!!!

    How can you possibly know They are smoking pot, watching porn, struggling with sodomy or waiting for it to be acceptable, adultery, etc.  ???  More detraction!

    Vcr, it really is time for you to take your leave.


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #62 on: March 31, 2022, 09:48:58 PM »
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  • She's also making it up that we were "trashing" her husband.  Nobody knows what role he had in this entire matter other than that he was with her at the time.  For all we know, he too objected to judging these people the way she did and may have been rolling his eyes as she ranted all the way home about sodomites and potheads.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #63 on: March 31, 2022, 09:49:01 PM »
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  • The Priest should have been ashamed of himself.  He should have been defrocked and made to get a real job in secular world.

    Very revealing… in large bold prose [reduced in size above] VCR tells us that being a priest is not a "real" job.   That coming from the arbiter and judge of all Catholics and Catholicity.


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  • 1. Athenagoras of Athens (2nd Century)
    Athenagoras of Athens was a philosopher who converted to Christianity in the second century. He shows that the pagans, who were totally immoral, did not even refrain from sins against nature:

    "But though such is our character (Oh! why should I speak of things unfit to be uttered?), the things said of us are an example of the proverb, 'The harlot reproves the chaste.' For those who have set up a market for fornication and established infamous resorts for the young for every kind of vile pleasure – who do not abstain even from males, males with males committing shocking abominations, outraging all the noblest and comeliest bodies in all sorts of ways, so dishonoring the fair workmanship of God." 1

    2. Tertullian (160-225)
    Tertullian was a great genius and apologist of the early Church. Unfortunately, after an initial period of fervor, he succuмbed to resentment and pride, left the Church and adhered to the Montanist heresy. Because of works written while still in the Church, he is considered an Ecclesiastical Writer and, as such, is commonly quoted by Popes and theologians.  His treatise On Modesty is an apology of Christian chastity. He clearly shows the horror the Church has for sins against nature. After condemning adultery, he exclaims:

    "But all the other frenzies of passions–impious both toward the bodies and toward the sexes–beyond the laws of nature, we banish not only from the threshold, but from all shelter of the Church, because they are not sins, but monstrosities." 2

    3. Eusebius of Caesarea (260-341)
    Eusebius Pamphili, Bishop of Cæsarea in Palestine and the “Father of Church History,” writes in his book, Demonstratio Evangelica:

     “[God in the Law given to Moses] having forbidden all unlawful marriage, and all unseemly practice, and the union of women with women and men with men.” 3

    4. Saint Jerome (340-420)
    Saint Jerome is both Father and Doctor of the Church. He was also a notable exegete and great polemicist. In his book Against Jovinianus, he explains how a sodomite needs repentance and penance to be saved:

    “And Sodom and Gomorrah might have appeased it [God’s wrath], had they been willing to repent, and through the aid of fasting gain for themselves tears of repentance.” 4

    5. Saint John Chrysostom (347-407)
    Saint John Chrysostom is considered the greatest of the Greek Fathers and was proclaimed Doctor of the Church. He was Archbishop and Patriarch of Constantinople, and his revision of the Greek liturgy is used until today. In his sermons about Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, he dwells on the gravity of the sin of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity:
    "But if thou scoffest at hearing of hell and believest not that fire, remember Sodom. For we have seen, surely we have seen, even in this present life, a semblance of hell. For since many would utterly disbelieve the things to come after the resurrection, hearing now of an unquenchable fire, God brings them to a right mind by things present. For such is the burning of Sodom, and that conflagration!…

    "Consider how great is that sin, to have forced hell to appear even before its time!… For that rain was unwonted, for the intercourse was contrary to nature, and it deluged the land, since lust had done so with their souls. Wherefore also the rain was the opposite of the customary rain. Now not only did it fail to stir up the womb of the earth to the production of fruits, but made it even useless for the reception of seed. For such was also the intercourse of the men, making a body of this sort more worthless than the very land of Sodom. And what is there more detestable than a man who hath pandered himself, or what more execrable? 5

    6. Saint Augustine (354-430)
    The greatest of the Fathers of the West and one of the great Doctors of the Church, Saint Augustine laid the foundations of Catholic theology. In his celebrated Confessions, he thus condemns ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity:
    "Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust." 6
    7. Saint Gregory the Great (540-604)
    Pope Saint Gregory I is called “the Great.” He is both Father and Doctor of the Church. He introduced Gregorian chant into the Church. He organized England’s conversion, sending Saint Augustine of Canterbury and many Benedictine monks there.

    "Sacred Scripture itself confirms that sulfur evokes the stench of the flesh, as it speaks of the rain of fire and sulfur poured upon Sodom by the Lord. He had decided to punish Sodom for the crimes of the flesh, and the very type of punishment he chose emphasized the shame of that crime. For sulfur stinks, and fire burns. So it was just that Sodomites, burning with perverse desires arising from the flesh like stench, should perish by fire and sulfur so that through this just punishment they would realize the evil they had committed, led by a perverse desire." 7

    8. Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072)
    Doctor of the Church, cardinal and a great reformer of the clergy, Saint Peter Damian wrote his famous Book of Gomorrah against the inroads made by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity among the clergy. He describes not only the iniquity of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, but also its psychological and moral consequences:
    "Truly, this vice is never to be compared with any other vice because it surpasses the enormity of all vices.… It defiles everything, stains everything, pollutes everything. And as for itself, it permits nothing pure, nothing clean, nothing other than filth.…
    "The miserable flesh burns with the heat of lust; the cold mind trembles with the rancor of suspicion; and in the heart of the miserable man chaos boils like Tartarus [Hell]…. In fact, after this most poisonous serpent once sinks its fangs into the unhappy soul, sense is snatched away, memory is borne off, the sharpness of the mind is obscured. It becomes unmindful of God and even forgetful of itself. This plague undermines the foundation of faith, weakens the strength of hope, destroys the bond of charity; it takes away justice, subverts fortitude, banishes temperance, blunts the keenness of prudence.
    "And what more should I say since it expels the whole host of the virtues from the chamber of the human heart and introduces every barbarous vice as if the bolts of the doors were pulled out." 8
    9.  Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)
    Commenting upon Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans (1:26-27), Saint Thomas Aquinas, the Angelic Doctor, explains why the sin of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is so grave:
    "Given the sin of impiety through which they [the Romans] sinned against the divine nature [by idolatry], the punishment that led them to sin against their own nature followed.... I say, therefore, that since they changed into lies [by idolatry] the truth about God, He brought them to ignominious passions, that is, to sins against nature; not that God led them to evil, but only that he abandoned them to evil....
    "If all the sins of the flesh are worthy of condemnation because by them man allows himself to be dominated by that which he has of the animal nature, much more deserving of condemnation are the sins against nature by which man degrades his own animal nature....
    "Man can sin against nature in two ways. First, when he sins against his specific rational nature, acting contrary to reason. In this sense, we can say that every sin is a sin against man’s nature, because it is against man’s right reason....
    "Secondly, man sins against nature when he goes against his generic nature, that is to say, his animal nature. Now, it is evident that, in accord with natural order, the union of the sexes among animals is ordered towards conception. From this it follows that every sɛҳuąƖ intercourse that cannot lead to conception is opposed to man’s animal nature." 9
    10.  Saint Catherine of Siena (1347-1380)
    Saint Catherine, a great mystic and Doctor of the Church, lived in troubled times. The Papacy was in exile at Avignon, France. She was instrumental in bringing the Popes back to Rome. Her famous Dialogues are written as if dictated by God Himself:
    "But they act in a contrary way, for they come full of impurity to this mystery, and not only of that impurity to which, through the fragility of your weak nature, you are all naturally inclined (although reason, when free will permits, can quiet the rebellion of nature), but these wretches not only do not bridle this fragility, but do worse, committing that accursed sin against nature, and as blind and fools, with the light of their intellect darkened, they do not know the stench and misery in which they are. It is not only that this sin stinks before me, who am the Supreme and Eternal Truth, it does indeed displease me so much and I hold it in such abomination that for it alone I buried five cities by a divine judgment, my divine justice being no longer able to endure it. This sin not only displeases me as I have said, but also the devils whom these wretches have made their masters. Not that the evil displeases them because they like anything good, but because their nature was originally angelic, and their angelic nature causes them to loathe the sight of the actual commission of this enormous sin. 10
    11.  Saint Bernardine of Siena (1380-1444)
    Saint Bernardine of Siena was a famous preacher, celebrated for his doctrine and holiness. Regarding ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, he stated:
    "No sin in the world grips the soul as the accursed sodomy; this sin has always been detested by all those who live according to God.… Deviant passion is close to madness; this vice disturbs the intellect, destroys elevation and generosity of soul, brings the mind down from great thoughts to the lowliest, makes the person slothful, irascible, obstinate and obdurate, servile and soft and incapable of anything; furthermore, agitated by an insatiable craving for pleasure, the person follows not reason but frenzy.… They become blind and, when their thoughts should soar to high and great things, they are broken down and reduced to vile and useless and putrid things, which could never make them happy.... Just as people participate in the glory of God in different degrees, so also in hell some suffer more than others. He who lived with this vice of sodomy suffers more than another, for this is the greatest sin." 11
    12.  Saint Peter Canisius (1521-1597)
    Saint Peter Canisius, Jesuit and Doctor of the Church, is responsible for helping one third of Germany abandon Lutheranism and return to the Church. To Scripture’s condemnation of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, he added his own:
    "As the Sacred Scripture says, the Sodomites were wicked and exceedingly sinful. Saint Peter and Saint Paul condemn this nefarious and depraved sin. In fact, the Scripture denounces this enormous indecency thus: 'The scandal of Sodomites and Gomorrhans has multiplied and their sins have become grave beyond measure.' So the angels said to just Lot, who totally abhorred the depravity of the Sodomites: 'Let us leave this city....' Holy Scripture does not fail to mention the causes that led the Sodomites, and can also lead others, to this most grievous sin. In fact, in Ezechiel we read: 'Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and the poor. And they were lifted up, and committed abominations before me; and I took them away as thou hast seen' (Ezech. 16: 49-50). Those unashamed of violating divine and natural law are slaves of this never sufficiently execrated depravity." 12
    Blah, blah, blah...nothing to do with the topic at hand. :sleep:


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #65 on: March 31, 2022, 09:51:47 PM »
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  • What a way to tell us that you've learned absolutely nothing from the past couple of pages of people trying to correct you.
    Minnesota: VCR. LT  and Meg are like the three stooges: they clown around all day but learn nothing.  Unfortunately, their "clowing" is actually arrogant narcissism.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #66 on: March 31, 2022, 09:54:38 PM »
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  • You are the worst of the worst trad Catholic I have ever read.  Worse than Pablo, the lay exorcist. 

    How can you possibly know that "those attacking you" are on a state of mortal sin?  Such detraction!!!

    How can you possibly know They are smoking pot, watching porn, struggling with sodomy or waiting for it to be acceptable, adultery, etc.  ???  More detraction!

    Vcr, it really is time for you to take your leave.


    Not detraction, but outright slander.  I am none of the above, i.e. smoking pot, watching porn, struggling with sodomy or waiting for it to be acceptable, nor practicing adultery.  I ardently advocate that adultery and sodomy be OUTLAWED, as it should be in a Catholic society.  And yet I have pity on the sinners who do these things, and I pray for them, and I don't judge them, since there but for the grace of God go I, and had I walked a day in their shoes, I very well COULD be all those things as well ... except for the sheer Mercy of Almighty God.  It's precisely because I realize that this minute I would immediately fall into all those sins were God to leave me, even for an instant, that I do not judge them.  I have compassion and sorrow in my heart for all sinners.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #67 on: March 31, 2022, 09:55:09 PM »
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  • Certainly this kind of Pharisaic behavior reminds of the kind of liberal "kindness" one sees so much of today. Latitude for me, but not for thee!

    If more of us practiced genuine charity (not limp-wristed "luv"), I think the conversion of even the Mohammendans would quite an easy feat. The youth today yearn for authenticity, they yearn for true charity (similar to people of all ages, but I think the youth yearn for it especially, as many of them experience loneliness and a feeling of fundamentally "not fitting in" these days). It's a cold world out there, made even more cold by all the fake smiles and hypocritical "caring" of today's society; no wonder why so many of them, in despair, resort to ѕυιcιdє. Will you, perhaps, give them (through God's help), some glimmer of charity, so that in that glimmer, they may see the reflection of Christ?

    It's a hard thing for me to do (especially as I am prone to frustration when things do not go "my way"), but I try.

    (Getting really personal here, but I think it's relevant)

    In my teenage years, I had an immense hatred of alcohol and MJ, due to how others my age abused them. They behaved like dogs, so I looked down upon them as such, emboldened by the fact that they seemed to fire the first shot by socially excluding me because I didn't want to destroy myself. After I came back to the Faith, I learned to start forgiving people like that.

    I used to have problems a lot with judging people very seriously just by their mere appearance. It seems to me that it was a kind of defense mechanism for myself when I felt more untrustworthy of other people. I still do get thoughts that try to encourage me to rush to uncharitable conclusions, but now I turn to Our Lord when that happens, and using it as an opportunity to ask for mercy on my behalf and on the person I'm thinking about. It's either that or I just ask Him to just banish these un-Christian thoughts altogether.



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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #68 on: March 31, 2022, 09:55:47 PM »
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  • Your hubris knows no bounds.  "Mind your business"?  Like you minded your business judging people guilty of mortal sin and watching to see whether they went to Holy Communion?  Having compassion for sinners and reserving judgment about whether someone is in fact in mortal sin you now smear as condoning mortal sin.  So now you slander us as condoning mortal sin.

    1) You had no idea that either the young boys who smelled of pot OR the "sodomites" were in a state of mortal sin.  You simply made that judgment based on what was at best circuмstantial evidence.  That's a very serious thing you're doing.

    2) Condemning mortal sin does not preclude sorrow and compassion for the soul of the sinner.  When Our Lady came at Fatima to ask reparation for blasphemies committed against her, she did so out of her grief who are lost on account of committing such sins not out of outrage over the offense she had received.

    YOU should stop posting.  IMMEDIATELY.  You are endangering your soul.  Mind your own business and care for your own family.  Get off the internet.
    Yep!

    She needs to get off and go bake a cake before she loses her soul.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #69 on: March 31, 2022, 09:58:16 PM »
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  • Sermons of the Curé of Ars: Sermons for all the Sundays and Feast Days of the Year, St. Jean Marie Vianney.



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    If I, then, were to ask, what is it to love our neighbor, the answer would be, The love of God causes us to love Him more than our wealth, our health, our good name, and even our life, and the love which we should have for our neighbor should enable us to love him as ourselves, so that all the good that we should wish for ourselves, we should wish for him. We must have this charity without which there is no heaven to hope for, and no friendship with God.

    Now, what do we understand by the word, our neighbor? Nothing is easier of comprehension. Every one of our brother men, even those who have wronged us, who have injured our good name, and calumniated us, or who have even sought to take our life. We ought to love them as we love ourselves, and wish them all the good that we wish ourselves. It is not only forbidden for us to wish them ill, but we must also render them service if they require it of us, and we are able to do so. We ought to rejoice when our enemies are successful in business, and we should feel sorry when they meet with reverses or losses, and we must take their part when others speak badly of them. We should tell others the good we know of them, and not avoid their society. Behold, my dear friends, this is how God wills that we should love our neighbor. If we do not believe this, then we must admit that we neither love our neighbor nor do we love God. We are bad Christians, and we shall be lost!

    Now, you will ask me, how may we know whether we have this beautiful and precious virtue, without which our religion is only a pretension? A person, dear brethren, who has brotherly love, in the first place, is not proud; he does not care to rule others. You will never hear him censure other people’s behavior, and he does not care to speak of what he does. A person who has brotherly love does not inquire into the motive of other persons’ actions. He never thinks that he behaves better than they do. He does not exalt himself above his neighbor. On the contrary, he thinks that everyone else is better than he. He is not cast down when people have a poor opinion of him. He is even contented, because he thinks that he deserves to be still more disesteemed.

    A person who is charitable avoids as much as possible hurting the feelings of others, because Charity is a mantle used to conceal our brother’s faults. Those who have charity accept with patience and resignation to the will of God everything that happens to them, sickness and adversity, because they believe that all these things remind them that they are sinners, and that their life here below is not the eternal one.



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    When we impute something bad to our neighbor which he has not committed, a defect which he does not possess, we commit calumny; a most detestable act, which unfortunately, and in spite of its great wrong, is very common. This is not detraction, it is more sinful, but from detraction to calumny is only a small step. If we are honest, we must admit that we invariably add something to, or magnify the bad which we know of our neighbor. A slanderous story that has passed from tongue to tongue, no longer resembles that which was said at first, it has been so much engrossed and aggravated; from which fact we must conclude that a detractor is almost invariably also a calumniator, and a calumniator is a very wicked person.


    We exaggerate as a rule the bad that our neighbor does. When you notice any one commit a fault what do you do? Instead of covering it with the mantle of charity, or at least trying to excuse it, you like to exaggerate it. St. Francis of Sales says: “Do not say this or that one is a drunkard, and a thief, because he once stole or was intoxicated; Noah and Loth were intoxicated once, and yet neither the one nor the other were drunkards.” St. Peter was not a blasphemer because he blasphemed once. A person is not vicious, because he once fell into sin, even not if this happened several times; therefore, we run danger of being guilty of detraction if we accuse them. When Simon saw Magdalen weeping at our Saviour’s feet, he said: “This man, if he were a prophet, would know surely that this woman at his feet is a sinner.” He was greatly mistaken: Magdalen was no longer a sinner, but a holy penitent, because all her sins had been forgiven her. Consider the proud Pharisee, who in the Temple praised his own good works, and thanked God that he was not like others, adulterers, extortioners, and thieves, or like the publican. He denounced the publican as a sinner, when at that very moment this publican was justified. “My dear children,” exclaimed St. Francis de Sales, “since God’s mercy is so great that one moment suffices for Him to pardon the greatest crimes, how dare we say, that a man who yesterday was a great sinner, is the same today!”

    We invariably deceive ourselves if we think badly of our neighbor, no matter what reasons we have for our opinion. We are also guilty of detraction when without sufficient reason we disclose secret faults or bad actions of our neighbor. There are persons who think that if they know anything bad about their neighbor, they may tell it to others, and make it a subject of conversation. This is a grave error. Our faith enjoins upon us nothing so much as love of our neighbor. Reason itself tells us that we should not do to others, what we do not wish done to ourselves.


    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
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  • St. Ephraim:

    “Lord, grant me to see my own failings, and not to judge my brother.”

    “Do not mock or judge someone who has fallen into sin, but rather pray lest you fall into sin. Do not pamper anyone while he is alive and do not lose hope in him before he dies. Do not laugh at one who has sinned, rather set him on his feet.”

    Saint John Chrysostom:

    “Do not judge anyone, but try to overcome your own shortcomings—otherwise, you will deserve condemnation. Anyone will fall when the Lord does not support him; we cannot stand without Divine help. By condemning your neighbor, you make yourself worse than the one who listens to you. If he is a sinner, he becomes carefree as he has found a companion; if he is righteous, he will yield to pride and arrogance because another has sinned, and thus he has a reason to admire himself.”


    St. Isaac of Nineveh:

    “Conquer men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of justice to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.”

    I beg you, O Lord, remember not the sins of my youth, the faults of ignorance, but in your mercy keep me in mind in the brightness of your glory.


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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #71 on: March 31, 2022, 10:07:04 PM »
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  • Sermons of the Curé of Ars: Sermons for all the Sundays and Feast Days of the Year, St. Jean Marie Vianney.

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    We exaggerate as a rule the bad that our neighbor does. When you notice any one commit a fault what do you do? Instead of covering it with the mantle of charity, or at least trying to excuse it, you like to exaggerate it.
    ^This right here is the key to charity. And it is one of the most difficult things to practice in our day and age.

    Like God, we should be looking for and magnifying the good that people do in their actions. Rather than fixating on the bad. When we go to judgment, Our Lord is not just going to be looking at the innumerable sins of our lives, but every good reason to excuse them entirely. And in this regard, that's how we are expected to behave towards our neighbor.

    And that is the crux of the problem of the initial post that kicked this whole war off: rather than seeing these two "effeminate men" as "potheads" and "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs", they should have been commended for actually attending Mass, praying the Rosary and, whatever their situation, refraining from Communion if they are not worthy.

    St. Ephraim:

    “Lord, grant me to see my own failings, and not to judge my brother.”

    “Do not mock or judge someone who has fallen into sin, but rather pray lest you fall into sin. Do not pamper anyone while he is alive and do not lose hope in him before he dies. Do not laugh at one who has sinned, rather set him on his feet.”

    Saint John Chrysostom:

    “Do not judge anyone, but try to overcome your own shortcomings—otherwise, you will deserve condemnation. Anyone will fall when the Lord does not support him; we cannot stand without Divine help. By condemning your neighbor, you make yourself worse than the one who listens to you. If he is a sinner, he becomes carefree as he has found a companion; if he is righteous, he will yield to pride and arrogance because another has sinned, and thus he has a reason to admire himself.”


    St. Isaac of Nineveh:

    “Conquer men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of justice to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.”
    You: I like you.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline Motorede

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #72 on: March 31, 2022, 10:10:05 PM »
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  • Ghandi: "If you Christians were more like your Christ the whole world would become Christian."

    Offline Emile

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #73 on: March 31, 2022, 10:12:57 PM »
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  • If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks
    « Reply #74 on: March 31, 2022, 10:40:50 PM »
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  • She's also making it up that we were "trashing" her husband.  Nobody knows what role he had in this entire matter other than that he was with her at the time.  For all we know, he too objected to judging these people the way she did and may have been rolling his eyes as she ranted all the way home about sodomites and potheads.
    Wrong answer.  My husband is a masculine Man.  He was the one disgusted by the sodomites and by the ones coming in stoned.  His reaction was what made me upset. He is right.  It was a sacrilege. Again, pre Vatican II, sodomy, adultery and drug use was illegal in Church and society.  People were arrested for sodomy, adultery and drug use. 

    Who is the Pharisee?  Who judged me And my husband wrongly?  That is a normal reaction  from a Catholic man. 

    There is data per the pew survey confirming that there is two percent of Traditional Catholics who are for birth control, abortion and sodomy. 










    May God bless you and keep you