Author Topic: Spewing Bitter & Vile Personal Attacks (Read 7696 times)

Last Tradhican · « **on:** March 31, 2022, 10:36:48 AM »

In another thread Arguing on the Internet is not Natural - page 1 - Catholic Living in the Modern World - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com) , I brought up the subject of the bitter vile language hurled upon people here on CI by certain members. Below are two of the points on which I will expand on here in this thread.

In the first place, one does not have clue whom they are conversing with, they do not see them, do not know what they look like or how they live. In the real world, who in their right mind would ever walk up to a trad Catholic who disagrees with him on a matter and begin insulting them with the vile language used here by some members? Answer: Only an insane person would do it. Here on the internet one does not know anything about the person they are conversing with. How can they hurl such demeaning and insulting language at complete strangers? Plane and simply, it is not Catholic, PERIOD. Sure, one can lose it sometime, it can happen to anyone, but to constantly and exclusively spew bitter and vile insults at anyone that disagrees with one, is a mortal sin. And a Catholic should naturally realize that and make amends and confess it.

Matthew and others here have convinced themselves that the vile insults are par for the course and not a sin at all because we do not even know the person on the other end, for they hide behind a fictitious name.

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Matthew wrote:
In other words, don't dish it if you can't take it. If someone starts a thread shouting their opinion to the world, "I think Sedevacantists are lousy schismatics" they can't be surprised and clutch their pearls when a big fight ensues. They obviously KNEW that was going to happen. No one is that stupid.

But that is blatantly wrong, for just because we do not know the person, does not stop the harm which these clearly vile and bitter personal attacks cause in the person reading them on the other end. Attacks like that almost always bring in other cowards to join in on the kill. I have personally lived through seeing people commit ѕυιcιdє because of being ganged up by the group. Today, it happens all of the time because of "social media bullying". How will these hateful spewers of insults live with themselves when the weak person on the other side snaps and kills themselves? Do not fall for the lie that it is not a sin to spew hateful insults upon strangers on the internet just because we do not know who they are.

Our Lord said that we have already committed adultery by just fanaticizing it. But yet we are told it is not a mortal sin to destroy a person with vile insults on the internet, and moreover, that it is normal and par for the course?

People here of CI are constantly asking for prayers for their friends and relatives and others respond by posting praying emojis and saying nice things. Yet, they do not even know the name of the person asking for the prayers, nor the name of their relative. How does one pray for that person? Answer: God I pray for XYZ’s relative who has cancer. God knows who we are talking about. In the same way, ones vile personal attacks against XYZ and the harm that it caused are also known to God, and it is a mortal sin.

Think, before you hurl insults like what we see hear every day spewed forth as if they were nothing and had no consequences like:

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(Meg, you are) prurient, disordered, rabid, ignorant, illogical people as you exemplify.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2022, 10:42:51 AM »

Your examples aren't insults, they're just true statements. You perceive them as insults because you're so blinded by your own ego that you think they are. And proof of this is how you keep carrying on and on about how others have offended your fragile pride. Your ego is your own little idol and you become outraged when people dare criticize it.

Matthew was right. Don't dish out what you can't take.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2022, 10:43:17 AM »

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In other words, don't dish it if you can't take it. If someone starts a thread shouting their opinion to the world, "I think Sedevacantists are lousy schismatics" they can't be surprised and clutch their pearls when a big fight ensues. They obviously KNEW that was going to happen. No one is that stupid.

No, I am NOT "blatantly wrong". You are twisting my words, or at the very least misunderstanding me.

I never said it was not a sin to say hateful, mean things to other human beings just because they are anonymous.

All I meant by the above quote (please pay attention) was:

Don't dish it if you can't take it. By that I mean, CONTROVERSY. If you're going to spew your opinion that Sedevacantists are heretics, you should expect and realize that you're going to cut deep to the heart of many people, many feelings will be hurt, and many people will likely step over the line and even commit sins against charity. AND YOU WILL NOT BE BLAMELESS. Because you didn't JUST express your very STRONG opinion on an issue -- you went so far as to explicitly insult a whole category of people.

When you imply someone is in mortal sin -- that is going to cut to the heart. People WILL be defensive about such an accusation. No one wants to go to hell! Not after we've given up the things we've given up around here. Who wants to experience the "valley of tears", a life of suffering, followed by hell-fire for eternity? No one. So naturally people are not only going to fight back intellectually, but their EMOTIONS will get involved too.

When you pick a fight, you must be able to deal with the fight that ensues. Or at least admit that YOU started it, and you're BOTH wrong for the ensuing brawl.

If you go up to a couple and call the woman a whore, you are not blameless when the man punches you in the face. He might not be blameless either -- but my point was: neither are you. Even if the woman in question was, in fact, a whore. i.e., she was seen advertising herself on the street yesterday. No man is going to let his girlfriend/wife be called a whore in front of his face, even if it's true! Anyone with common sense knows this. If something inside you REQUIRES that you confront him/her, then I guess you better know how to fight. Because such are the laws of this universe.

Don't dish it if you can't take it. You can't act like a victim after being technically "punched first", if you BULLIED the person beforehand. That's hypocrisy.

Also, see: "It takes two to tango".

If you are peaceful and desire a life of peace, let SOMEONE ELSE confront the whore. Then you won't have to worry about getting punched in the face.

Meg · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2022, 10:55:55 AM »

It is sometimes the case that the insults are not at all justified, except in the mind of the insulter. Ane one insulter here dishes the insults to the extreme, to the point where he seems mentally unbalanced, and yet only a couple of us here seem to notice or care. And some here support (with their posts) the vile attacks, even though they aren't nearly as extreme. That type of behavior seems normal to people here. What does that say about tradition? Or is it just the internet?

I don't mind defending myself against the vile (and mentally unhinged) attacks of one particular member. I have thick skin. But it's not right that most other members are fine with such behavior. That's the problem, for me.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:23:57 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on March 31, 2022, 10:43:17 AM

No, I am NOT "blatantly wrong". You are twisting my words, or at the very least misunderstanding me. (You misunderstand me because you do not see what language I am talking about. I am talking about the likes of a lady being called a piece of dung, or a low life useless piece of scuм. There, THAT is the language I am talking about. If someone said that to you, they'd be out of here in 1 second flat and rightly so.)

.....When you pick a fight, you must be able to deal with the fight that ensues. Or at least admit that YOU started it, and you're BOTH wrong for the ensuing brawl. If you go up to a couple and call the woman a whore, you are not blameless when the man punches you in the face.
(That's right, one picks a fight by calling another's wife a whore, which is what people here are doing, calling in clear words, nothing to misconstrue, when a lady is being called a piece of dung, or a low life useless piece of scuм. THAT is the problem, and not a heated debate back and fourth.)

My response parenthesis in red or bold. Don't know why red does not always show.

Meg · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:34:15 AM »

It seems to me, LT, that if a man on the forum insults a woman (or man) it is because she (or he) deserves it.

And even in the real world, I doubt that many of the men here would do anything at all if they saw a man yelling vile things to a woman on the street or in a grocery store. They would just turn away, thinking that the woman probably deserves it. Because that's what tradition means, for many here.

Thank you, LT, for being willing to go against that type of thinking.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:39:17 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 31, 2022, 10:42:51 AM

Your examples aren't insults, they're just true statements. You perceive them as insults because you're so blinded by your own ego that you think they are. And proof of this is how you keep carrying on and on about how others have offended your fragile pride. Your ego is your own little idol and you become outraged when people dare criticize it.

Matthew was right. Don't dish out what you can't take.

I have no problem with anything you eunuchs dish out. It is not pride, it is called self-esteem, of which you cowards who gang up on ladies like Viva and Meg, have none of. You come on this sight to vent your frustrations of an empty life. The two ladies Meg and Viva, each standup to your crowd of cowards like real men, that none of you are. Your types can only function with others like themselves to back them up. Viva and Meg stand for themselves. They are showing you all up for what you are, just little men behind a big screen.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:58:13 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 31, 2022, 11:39:17 AM

I have no problem with anything you eunuchs dish out. It is not pride, it is called self-esteem, of which you cowards who gang up on ladies like Viva and Meg, have none of. You come on this sight to vent your frustrations of an empty life. The two ladies Meg and Viva, each standup to your crowd of cowards like real men, that none of you are. Your types can only function with others like themselves to back them up. Viva and Meg stand for themselves. They are showing you all up for what you are, just little men behind a big screen.

Vain words and more speculation about our own lives, coupled with throwing insults you yourself made this thread to complain about.

Self-esteem is the bastard child of pride.

And I'll have you know, sir, that I post from a little screen, thankyouverymuch.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:59:21 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 31, 2022, 11:39:17 AM

.. it is called self-esteem, of which you cowards who gang up on ladies like Viva and Meg, have none of. You come on this sight to vent your frustrations of an empty life. Viva and Meg stand for themselves. They are showing you all up for what you are, just little men behind a big screen.

So man up, own up to your erroneous ways, pull up your pants and go out into the world and make something of yourselves.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 31, 2022, 11:59:21 AM

So man up, own up to your erroneous ways, pull up your pants and go out into the world and make something of yourselves.

Again, another presumptuous statement about my state in life, of which you know almost nothing.

Just stop and go pray a rosary.

SperaInDeo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 31, 2022, 11:59:21 AM

So man up, own up to your erroneous ways, pull up your pants and go out into the world and make something of yourselves.

Ladies and gentlemen, take heed, for this is what happens when you act more like an American Republican than a Roman Catholic.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:18:08 PM »

Just to interject --

The kind of "vile" insults being discussed are already against the rules, and when reported, I generally delete them. I consider that going off the rails/stepping over the line, etc. So this whole discussion is a nothingburger, in that respect.

That's why I was talking about something totally different in my quotes above. As far as I'm concerned, calling someone "a piece of dung" is already going to get moderated, because it's against the rules. No need to discuss it, much less craft any additional rules.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Meg on March 31, 2022, 10:55:55 AM

I don't mind defending myself against the vile ... attacks of one particular member. I have thick skin. But it's not right that most other members are fine with such behavior.

Maybe they just (wisely) stay out of such threads/"wars"? With a few exceptions, that describes me pretty well.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:37:20 PM »

Quote from: Meg on March 31, 2022, 11:34:15 AM

It seems to me, LT, that if a man on the forum insults a woman (or man) it is because she (or he) deserves it.

And even in the real world, I doubt that many of the men here would do anything at all if they saw a man yelling vile things to a woman on the street or in a grocery store. They would just turn away, thinking that the woman probably deserves it. Because that's what tradition means, for many here.

I would mind my own business.
That is, unless I was above-average in my ability to fight, and by fight I mean fisticuffs, not debate.

I'll see your "yelling vile things to a woman" and rise you to something much worse. Let's say he's PHYSICALLY HITTING HER. HARD. REPEATEDLY.

I would mind my own business, and call 911.
Why? you might ask? Aren't you a trad? Aren't you the hero?

My answer: I would turn down such a fight, because I'm neither a bodybuilder nor ex-military nor do I know how to fight. Heroically jumping in just to get my @$$ kicked, after which point the wife-beater will resume beating his wife, does NOBODY ANY GOOD.

But if I DID jump in, to be a hero, I shouldn't WHINE later about my bruises, broken nose, black eye(s), punctured lung(s), etc. Because a man beating his wife is obviously convinced (by his emotions) that he's doing the right thing. If I tell him he's wrong and try to stop him, he's just going to physically attack me. Now I'm in a fight.

As I said above, THAT IS HOW LIFE WORKS in the universe. You can do whatever you want, but don't complain about the consequences. If you jump into a fight to save a damsel in distress (an honorable cause) even though you have no ability/strength to best someone in a fight, you ACCEPT the consequences that follow: failure to save said damsel, broken bones, bruises, time in the hospital.

Meg · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2022, 12:51:44 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on March 31, 2022, 12:37:20 PM

I would mind my own business.
That is, unless I was above-average in my ability to fight, and by fight I mean fisticuffs, not debate.

I'll see your "yelling vile things to a woman" and rise you to something much worse. Let's say he's PHYSICALLY HITTING HER. HARD. REPEATEDLY.

I would mind my own business, and call 911.
Why? you might ask? Aren't you a trad? Aren't you the hero?

My answer: I would turn down such a fight, because I'm neither a bodybuilder nor ex-military nor do I know how to fight. Heroically jumping in just to get my @$$ kicked, after which point the wife-beater will resume beating his wife, does NOBODY ANY GOOD.

But if I DID jump in, to be a hero, I shouldn't WHINE later about my bruises, broken nose, black eye(s), punctured lung(s), etc. Because a man beating his wife is obviously convinced (by his emotions) that he's doing the right thing. If I tell him he's wrong and try to stop him, he's just going to physically attack me. Now I'm in a fight.

As I said above, THAT IS HOW LIFE WORKS in the universe. You can do whatever you want, but don't complain about the consequences. If you jump into a fight to save a damsel in distress (an honorable cause) even though you have no ability/strength to best someone in a fight, you ACCEPT the consequences that follow: failure to save said damsel, broken bones, bruises, time in the hospital.

I've stepped in a few times in the grocery store where I work, when someone was being bullied. My intervention helped, and I did not get hurt. But then, I'm not afraid of bullies.

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