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Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
« on: June 18, 2025, 11:48:05 AM »
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  • My boss is trying to hire another "senior software developer". 3 months ago, he did the same thing and hired me.
    But here are the shocking statistics:

    In 2 days on LinkedIn, he got 356 applications this time around. He called about 35-40 of them, and about 10 were invited to continue the process by creating a small app (the "code challenge" he calls it). He is interested in hiring Americans.

    Here's the thing: there were lots of foreigners applying both times (in March, and today) but the huge increase has been in the number of AMERICANS applying for such work.

    Apparently unemployment for software devs has skyrocketed in the past 3 months. That was completely unexpected.

    My boss confirmed that he's getting about 10X the applications now, vs. last time.

    Which has me a bit disturbed and worried, because if/when this CONTRACT position dries up, if I don't get hired and work for him for 10 years (come on, what are the chances of that?) it's going to be roughly 10X as hard for me to get my next job. Remember how I applied to about 1200+ positions before I got my current job? Imagine having 3X, 5X or even 10X the difficulty.
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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #1 on: June 18, 2025, 11:58:08 AM »
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  • Just heard a story from a friend.  He was a finalist for a Proj Mgr IT role but didn't get picked.  They chose some Indian IT guy.  A remote job.

    2 weeks later, they called my friend back and asked if would accept the job.  Reason?  The Indian guy they interviewed was not the same guy that started working at the company.  Two Indian workers pulled the 'ol switchero -- Guy #1 had an amazing resume and interviewed really well.  They hired him.  Guy #2 shows up for work.  The scam only worked because most of the work was remote.  After some meetings, they found out.

    Moral of the story - It's nuts out there, especially in IT.  Also, Indian workers are hit or miss.  Indian OWNERS are the worst.


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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2025, 12:26:53 PM »
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  • Software is going to be created by computers, themselves, by AI. Lots of white collar jobs in computing, the sciences, education, business, finance is going to be taken over by AI. The AI will develop robots to run factory work, automation, assembly, parts manufacture. The same will happen in the medical field. 
    People will be needed only in areas less amenable to automation and standardization. So long as there are products, people, and situations that deviate from standardization, humans will be needed. Example, since houses and buildings will continue to greatly vary for much time, plumbers, electricians, roofers, siders, etc. will be needed to do actual work. Once everyone lives in one of X number of home models, human builders will no longer be needed. 
    Those who don’t fit the mold will be phased out, yes, I mean people. Look at the decreasing number of babies with birth defects. They are detectable earlier and earlier and are aborted asap. Countries with liberal abortion laws like Sweden have boasted of having nearly eliminated birth defects like children with Down Syndrome. A few to none have been born in the last two decades. The day is coming and may already be here where such anomalies will be outlawed. How many varieties of health issues are associated with old age? Canada already has and is pushing elimination of such persons by MAID. Since 2016, over 60,000 Canadians have left this world via MAID. 
    Sorry to be so pessimistic, Matthew, but I don’t think they’ll be hiring many software designers in 2035. Keep your eyes open and possibly acquire a new line of work you’ll be able to perform at your age in another decade. Don’t count in Social Security at all. It may not exist, as, in fact, the way things are going, the dollar may no longer exist. 
    Catholics and others should be looking towards the formation of co-op type communities should Our Lord tarry. Those of us struggling to survive as single family units in the wider world aren’t going to make it. 

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    « Reply #3 on: June 18, 2025, 12:51:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphina
    Software is going to be created by computers, themselves, by AI. Lots of white collar jobs in computing, the sciences, education, business, finance is going to be taken over by AI. The AI will develop robots to run factory work, automation, assembly, parts manufacture. The same will happen in the medical field.
    People will be needed only in areas less amenable to automation and standardization. So long as there are products, people, and situations that deviate from standardization, humans will be needed. Example, since houses and buildings will continue to greatly vary for much time, plumbers, electricians, roofers, siders, etc. will be needed to do actual work. Once everyone lives in one of X number of home models, human builders will no longer be needed.
    Those who don’t fit the mold will be phased out, yes, I mean people. Look at the decreasing number of babies with birth defects. They are detectable earlier and earlier and are aborted asap. Countries with liberal abortion laws like Sweden have boasted of having nearly eliminated birth defects like children with Down Syndrome. A few to none have been born in the last two decades. The day is coming and may already be here where such anomalies will be outlawed. How many varieties of health issues are associated with old age? Canada already has and is pushing elimination of such persons by MAID. Since 2016, over 60,000 Canadians have left this world via MAID.
    Sorry to be so pessimistic, Matthew, but I don’t think they’ll be hiring many software designers in 2035. Keep your eyes open and possibly acquire a new line of work you’ll be able to perform at your age in another decade. Don’t count in Social Security at all. It may not exist, as, in fact, the way things are going, the dollar may no longer exist.
    Catholics and others should be looking towards the formation of co-op type communities should Our Lord tarry. Those of us struggling to survive as single family units in the wider world aren’t going to make it.
    There are scattered Resistance Catholics up here in northern British Columbia—in remote areas, some of us live in trailers, some rent small acreages, others own land. We do odd jobs, bushwork, raise animals, make food for markets. We don’t fit the system, and yet, by God’s grace, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, we feel like we’re flourishing.

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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #4 on: June 18, 2025, 01:50:44 PM »
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  • There are scattered Resistance Catholics up here in northern British Columbia—in remote areas, some of us live in trailers, some rent small acreages, others own land. We do odd jobs, bushwork, raise animals, make food for markets. We don’t fit the system, and yet, by God’s grace, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, we feel like we’re flourishing.
    Do you have priests? Regular Mass and Sacraments? Do you take a particular position like una cuм, non una cuм? R & R, Sede? Type and degree of Sede? Support or reject Fr. Feeney? Recognize Rome? Bp. Thuc? Home-Alone but looking? Old Catholic style?
    Not that I can move to BC or even visit at this point in life?
    Is yours an intentional community or did it form informally?
    Are you mainly blood relatives?
    Are you from a variety of chapels and locations, or a group that broke off a particular chapel, organization, or common tradcat “position?”
    I’m asking because I’m familiar with a number of similar communities among Protestant (Anabaptist/Amish/Mennonite), secular back-to-nature types, and even one of religious Jєωιѕн background. One of the communities still exists in its original loose form, a few have become organized, with codified rules, but most of them fell apart due to internal conflict, financial and social impossibility—-no reasonable means for the next generation to continue. 

    Please PM me if you don’t want to continue in the public forum.




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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2025, 04:25:41 PM »
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  • Software is going to be created by computers, themselves, by AI. Lots of white collar jobs in computing, the sciences, education, business, finance is going to be taken over by AI. The AI will develop robots to run factory work, automation, assembly, parts manufacture. The same will happen in the medical field.
    People will be needed only in areas less amenable to automation and standardization. So long as there are products, people, and situations that deviate from standardization, humans will be needed. Example, since houses and buildings will continue to greatly vary for much time, plumbers, electricians, roofers, siders, etc. will be needed to do actual work. Once everyone lives in one of X number of home models, human builders will no longer be needed.
    Those who don’t fit the mold will be phased out, yes, I mean people. Look at the decreasing number of babies with birth defects. They are detectable earlier and earlier and are aborted asap. Countries with liberal abortion laws like Sweden have boasted of having nearly eliminated birth defects like children with Down Syndrome. A few to none have been born in the last two decades. The day is coming and may already be here where such anomalies will be outlawed. How many varieties of health issues are associated with old age? Canada already has and is pushing elimination of such persons by MAID. Since 2016, over 60,000 Canadians have left this world via MAID.
    Sorry to be so pessimistic, Matthew, but I don’t think they’ll be hiring many software designers in 2035. Keep your eyes open and possibly acquire a new line of work you’ll be able to perform at your age in another decade. Don’t count in Social Security at all. It may not exist, as, in fact, the way things are going, the dollar may no longer exist.
    Catholics and others should be looking towards the formation of co-op type communities should Our Lord tarry. Those of us struggling to survive as single family units in the wider world aren’t going to make it.
    I think we should organize an underground network of traditional Catholics in skilled trades, farms and medical.  We need to somehow work outside the system.  It's too bad we are so divided.

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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2025, 01:39:31 PM »
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  • Catholics and others should be looking towards the formation of co-op type communities should Our Lord tarry. Those of us struggling to survive as single family units in the wider world aren’t going to make it.
    This should have happened long ago, but people are too resistant to change, or too stupid, lazy, careless, brainwashed, slothful, or afraid of the risks and hard work involved. And so what if it makes us vulnerable all living together in one city? I'd rather die holy and supported by other Catholics than alone and uncertain if I will even make it into purgatory. Surely God would protect holy Catholics who keep His commandments and put their trust in Him. And what is death anyway, as long as we go to heaven? All the easier with the support of other individuals striving for holiness.
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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
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  • AI making jobs obsolete?
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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #8 on: June 19, 2025, 07:28:41 PM »
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  • My boss is trying to hire another "senior software developer". 3 months ago, he did the same thing and hired me.
    But here are the shocking statistics:

    In 2 days on LinkedIn, he got 356 applications this time around. He called about 35-40 of them, and about 10 were invited to continue the process by creating a small app (the "code challenge" he calls it). He is interested in hiring Americans.

    Here's the thing: there were lots of foreigners applying both times (in March, and today) but the huge increase has been in the number of AMERICANS applying for such work.

    Apparently unemployment for software devs has skyrocketed in the past 3 months. That was completely unexpected.

    My boss confirmed that he's getting about 10X the applications now, vs. last time.

    Which has me a bit disturbed and worried, because if/when this CONTRACT position dries up, if I don't get hired and work for him for 10 years (come on, what are the chances of that?) it's going to be roughly 10X as hard for me to get my next job. Remember how I applied to about 1200+ positions before I got my current job? Imagine having 3X, 5X or even 10X the difficulty.

    Yeah, I figure that if I get laid off, given that I'm 57 now ... I'm finished.  Nobody will want to hire someone my age.

    But it's all in God's hands.  I think that an economic collapse, great reset, and UBI (universal basic income) will being relatively soon so that these concerns might be moot.

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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
    « Reply #9 on: June 19, 2025, 07:30:40 PM »
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  • AI making jobs obsolete?

    I don't think so, not yet.  AI isn't to a point where it could do anything decent and apply it to the problems at hands.  That might be coming within 5 years or so.  But for now it's a combination of the economic impact of Trump's tariff nonsense, with his having spooked a lot of companies, as well as more and more use of offshore IT (as horrible as they are) mostly from India.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 19, 2025, 07:34:29 PM »
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  • This should have happened long ago, but people are too resistant to change, or too stupid, lazy, careless, brainwashed, slothful, or afraid of the risks and hard work involved. And so what if it makes us vulnerable all living together in one city? I'd rather die holy and supported by other Catholics than alone and uncertain if I will even make it into purgatory. Surely God would protect holy Catholics who keep His commandments and put their trust in Him. And what is death anyway, as long as we go to heaven? All the easier with the support of other individuals striving for holiness.

    Yes, I've tried to persuade various Traditional Catholics (including my large extended family) to get together in some endeavor like this, but your combination of being too stupid and slothful have been the impediment.  All of them are stuck in a normalcy bias where they think things are going to hum along just like the status quo until they reach retirement age, and like the comforts of their life, don't want to take any risks, etc.  I have enough siblings (Traditional Catholics), in-laws, nephews and nieces to have a very nice little self-sufficient community, but none were interested.  I've found it very annoying.  None of them are even making any preps, so I'm thinking that when things do hit the fan, they'll be trying to mooch off of me, putting me in a very difficult position, where it's either my wife or children or having to turn them away.  I usually get deried as some crazy tinfoil-hat guy, a kook.


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    Re: Software Dev Apocalypse in last 3 months?
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  • I think we should organize an underground network of traditional Catholics in skilled trades, farms and medical.  We need to somehow work outside the system.  It's too bad we are so divided.

    Well, it's not just about ideological division, but also geographic, and as others have mentioned, there are other factors involved ... such as stupidity, sloth, human respect, etc.

    Even if every single Trad Catholic out there were an SSPX R&R variety, such an endeavor would likely never get off the ground.  Trust me ... I've tried to persuade extended family and friends to engage in such but have been ignored if not told that I'm a crazy man and a kook ... and these were Traditional Catholics of the leaning-toward-if-not-sedevacantist variety (not just the lukewarm smells-and-bells Motu types).  I never had the financial means to pull it off myself, but I have 3 brothers and a sister, many nephews, nieces, etc. who have very good jobs (mine is good also but not quite enough where I could pull it off on my own without cooperation from others) ... where I tried to persuade them to "go in on" about some several dozen acres of land, which if we divided it all up just with myself and my brothers, would have cost us maybe $200 per month each for some prime real estate with stocked pond, natural gas on site, moving water (stream) in one section ... just perfect.  But they blew me off because they'd rather spend that $200 per month of streaming videos and Netflix subscriptions.  I've tried to persuade them, "We each have our own home, and each our own lawn equipment, each several cars, etc. ... most of which sit in the garage unused for 23 hours per day.  If we all lived in the same area, we could share all this stuff and make much more efficient use of it.  Life would be much more affordable if we shared all these things."  But they would have none of it.  Now, if there's a collapse, they'll probably come to me for food and whatnot that I have stored away ... since they've done nothing, putting me in the terrible position of having to choose whether to take food out of my own families' mouths in order to give it to them and theirs when they had every opportunity (with decent jobs) to make preparations themselves.

    In fact, we see that attitude exemplified by some folks here, where they deride people who go against mainstream science or engage in "conspiracy theories" ... and the planned / impending collapse of our economy and our society they dismiss as crackpot conspiracy theory -- despite the fact that we have their own words on record indicating that it's precisely what they plan, with Schwab et al. boasting of the "Great Reset", the "6uild 6ack 6etter" ... and where we can see video montages of a dozen world leaders parroting back that same phrase.  But we're crackpots for thinking that such a collapse or decline is one the way.  Part of that is the psychological phenomenon known as "normalcy bias", where they find such a possibility so distasteful that they dismiss it as nonsense out of hand.

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  • Well, it's not just about ideological division, but also geographic, and as others have mentioned, there are other factors involved ... such as stupidity, sloth, human respect, etc.

    Even if every single Trad Catholic out there were an SSPX R&R variety, such an endeavor would likely never get off the ground.  Trust me ... I've tried to persuade extended family and friends to engage in such but have been ignored if not told that I'm a crazy man and a kook ... and these were Traditional Catholics of the leaning-toward-if-not-sedevacantist variety (not just the lukewarm smells-and-bells Motu types).  I never had the financial means to pull it off myself, but I have 3 brothers and a sister, many nephews, nieces, etc. who have very good jobs (mine is good also but not quite enough where I could pull it off on my own without cooperation from others) ... where I tried to persuade them to "go in on" about some several dozen acres of land, which if we divided it all up just with myself and my brothers, would have cost us maybe $200 per month each for some prime real estate with stocked pond, natural gas on site, moving water (stream) in one section ... just perfect.  But they blew me off because they'd rather spend that $200 per month of streaming videos and Netflix subscriptions.  I've tried to persuade them, "We each have our own home, and each our own lawn equipment, each several cars, etc. ... most of which sit in the garage unused for 23 hours per day.  If we all lived in the same area, we could share all this stuff and make much more efficient use of it.  Life would be much more affordable if we shared all these things."  But they would have none of it.  Now, if there's a collapse, they'll probably come to me for food and whatnot that I have stored away ... since they've done nothing, putting me in the terrible position of having to choose whether to take food out of my own families' mouths in order to give it to them and theirs when they had every opportunity (with decent jobs) to make preparations themselves.

    In fact, we see that attitude exemplified by some folks here, where they deride people who go against mainstream science or engage in "conspiracy theories" ... and the planned / impending collapse of our economy and our society they dismiss as crackpot conspiracy theory -- despite the fact that we have their own words on record indicating that it's precisely what they plan, with Schwab et al. boasting of the "Great Reset", the "6uild 6ack 6etter" ... and where we can see video montages of a dozen world leaders parroting back that same phrase.  But we're crackpots for thinking that such a collapse or decline is one the way.  Part of that is the psychological phenomenon known as "normalcy bias", where they find such a possibility so distasteful that they dismiss it as nonsense out of hand.
    Never say never! Perhaps this is in the works all ready, at least in remote parts of Canada.

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  • I work for a small tech company, and my boss oftentimes uses AI to write code for his purposes.  He comments how AI is doing what it would take him several hours to write.  I suppose that AI is beginning to eat up some of the job market. Perhaps after the Three Days of Darkness we will be proficient at the art of farming?
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  • Never say never! Perhaps this is in the works all ready, at least in remote parts of Canada.
    Not surprising, really



    Well, it's not just about ideological division, but also geographic, and as others have mentioned, there are other factors involved ... such as stupidity, sloth, human respect, etc.

    Even if every single Trad Catholic out there were an SSPX R&R variety, such an endeavor would likely never get off the ground.  Trust me ... I've tried to persuade extended family and friends to engage in such but have been ignored if not told that I'm a crazy man and a kook ... and these were Traditional Catholics of the leaning-toward-if-not-sedevacantist variety (not just the lukewarm smells-and-bells Motu types).  I never had the financial means to pull it off myself, but I have 3 brothers and a sister, many nephews, nieces, etc. who have very good jobs (mine is good also but not quite enough where I could pull it off on my own without cooperation from others) ... where I tried to persuade them to "go in on" about some several dozen acres of land, which if we divided it all up just with myself and my brothers, would have cost us maybe $200 per month each for some prime real estate with stocked pond, natural gas on site, moving water (stream) in one section ... just perfect.  But they blew me off because they'd rather spend that $200 per month of streaming videos and Netflix subscriptions.  I've tried to persuade them, "We each have our own home, and each our own lawn equipment, each several cars, etc. ... most of which sit in the garage unused for 23 hours per day.  If we all lived in the same area, we could share all this stuff and make much more efficient use of it.  Life would be much more affordable if we shared all these things."  But they would have none of it.  Now, if there's a collapse, they'll probably come to me for food and whatnot that I have stored away ... since they've done nothing, putting me in the terrible position of having to choose whether to take food out of my own families' mouths in order to give it to them and theirs when they had every opportunity (with decent jobs) to make preparations themselves.

    In fact, we see that attitude exemplified by some folks here, where they deride people who go against mainstream science or engage in "conspiracy theories" ... and the planned / impending collapse of our economy and our society they dismiss as crackpot conspiracy theory -- despite the fact that we have their own words on record indicating that it's precisely what they plan, with Schwab et al. boasting of the "Great Reset", the "6uild 6ack 6etter" ... and where we can see video montages of a dozen world leaders parroting back that same phrase.  But we're crackpots for thinking that such a collapse or decline is one the way.  Part of that is the psychological phenomenon known as "normalcy bias", where they find such a possibility so distasteful that they dismiss it as nonsense out of hand.
    Yeah, I watch 2 different mowing businesses leave my neighborhood, which is a small one, while at least 4 others come in to mow people's yards. How stupid and inefficient people are.
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