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Offline Catholic Samurai

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2010, 09:30:47 PM »
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  • It's a mystery to me.... Marie Antoinette, a Catholic Queen (who obviously had SOME faults since she was human) who practically died a martyr with her husband King Louis because of their executioners hatred for their faith, wore (at least for some time) immodest dresses??? I would find it difficult to add up, but then.... how well do Trads live up to Traditions standard of modesty in their everyday lives?
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    « Reply #16 on: June 24, 2010, 10:28:20 PM »
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    I believe that Hollywood regularly takes liberties with the truth of history, to further their goal of pushing mankind ever downward in morality.


    I wish I could say that, but lots of Catholic royalty acted like complete pigs and gave the Masons ammo to use against them.  

    Showing some cleavage doesn't even begin to cover it.  And you're hearing this from a royalist.  I believe in the monarchy as the best political system but I have no delusions about royalty being perfect saints.  The court of Louis XIV "The Sun King" was a disgusting bordello almost on a par with that of Henry VIII, except he didn't divorce his wife.  

    I believe the bare shoulders and decolletage look began with the German wife of the mad French king Charles VI, Isabeau de Baviere ( who had an atrocious reputation ).  Don't quote me on that, but it had something to do with her, she either popularized it or began it.  It was considered scandalous by the clergy.  Lots of pictures of her show her with one breast hanging out, but here is a more chaste one.



    But a couple centuries later, it was no big deal.  Maria Theresa of Austria was considered very pious by almost all historians yet look at how she dressed --



    Even when she was older it was the same --


     
    I think trads have a really inflated vision of history and how most Catholics really were.  All of Europe was officially Catholic at one time but it's not like everyone's whole world revolved around the faith.  I would guess almost all were baptized by water but many didn't care much about God in their hearts, and that is why saints used to preach about the fewness of the elect.  But wearing some vain or revealing clothing is not the worst thing people did.  
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    « Reply #17 on: June 24, 2010, 10:40:11 PM »
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  • Okay, it was actually Agnes Sorel that had a picture of her breast exposed, not Isabeau de Baviere.  She was a mistress of Charles VII.  I think she took Isabeau's risque style a step further.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #18 on: June 24, 2010, 10:48:40 PM »
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  • History of Fashion in France, M. de la  Bédollière, pg. 47 --

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    "Isabelle of Bavaria taught them [ fashionable women ] to reveal their shoulders and neck, and to turn up or rebrasser their collars, following the expression of the poet Villon."

    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #19 on: June 25, 2010, 06:18:58 AM »
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  • I don't know if this is a universal or accurate stereotype, but what about the tradition of the rolling-pin wielding battleaxe, browbeating her long-suffering husband?? Was that a pre-cursor of feminism?


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    « Reply #20 on: June 25, 2010, 01:42:02 PM »
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    Yes, the hen-pecked man is a stereotype.  Remeber the two great sin of Eve were DISOBEDIENCE and then INCITING disobediesnce in another!  There is a saying that when women are good they are VERY good, and when they are bad they are VERY bad.  Look at the fact that most Saints who are visited by angels, Saints, Our Lady and Our Lord are women.  Again, it is perhaps becasue women have the potential to participate very directedly in God's creation of new souls.  Note how Lucia and Jacinta of Fatima could hear and see Our Lady, but Francsico could only see Her.  But when women are corrupted and willful, the great power they have wreaks tremendous damage. :gandalf:


      Yes most stigmatists were women and it is why some feminist and freudians love to study their "deprivation and oppression" that much.
       The reason why women can be very good or very bad is IMO because they do everything from the depths of their hearts. A young man may do many things to which he doesn't believe simply because of fun or his friends. But a woman, if she does anything wrong or right it is usually because her whole mind and soul are in it. Two men may fight and not hate one another, they may laugh while doing so (esp. teenages) but if two ladies do so it means that they are enemies. They don't beat/punch for the sake of fun but because of a deep hatred.