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Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2018, 04:25:29 PM »
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  • It's also important to remember that there are DEGREES of immodesty ... and therefore degrees of sin involved.....
    This looks like a typical sermon from a priests who will never reach anyone. It is just a series of copouts. In the end, the conclusion will be, OK, I'll do as I think.
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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #106 on: March 16, 2018, 04:34:48 PM »
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  • How a Catholic woman should not dress can be shown in pictures and declared as precise as any standard in any industry/government law. We are talking here specifically about that Marilyn Monroe tight sweater. Can that fashion be worn in an SSPX chapel by a 23 year old Marylyn Monroe look alike?  

    I can say the same about tight knit form revealing dresses or prostitute shoes (the subject of another thread).

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #107 on: March 16, 2018, 07:19:26 PM »
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  • This looks like a typical sermon from a priests who will never reach anyone. It is just a series of copouts. In the end, the conclusion will be, OK, I'll do as I think.

    Problem is that not everything is black and white.  Lots of people seek comfort in trying to force everything to be clear cut and simple.

    Sure, some cases are obvious and the standards set forth by Pius XI must be enforced ... to the point of refusing communion to obvious violators.  But where's the line between an elegant shoe and a "prostitute shoe"?  Some might obviously cross the line ... but others might be borderline.  Do priests need to measure the height of the heel with a ruler?  What other OBJECTIVE criteria make a prostitute shoe?

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #108 on: March 16, 2018, 08:00:41 PM »
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  • I remember this from the desert fathers:
    There was a monk on the road heading to his cell when he encounters nuns from a neighboring monastery coming down the same road. Immediately he crosses the road to avoid them. The Mother then says out loud to the monk  " If you were perfect you would not have crossed the road for you would never have noticed we were women."
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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #110 on: March 21, 2018, 07:48:40 AM »
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  • The priests are enablers. They're just as guilty for allowing these dumb women to dress like pigs during the Divine Sacrifice.

    If any of you people had balls like a bull, you'd approach your priest and let him know about the problem. He can't maintain plausible deniability, once you bring it to his attention, as if he never noticed it.
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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #111 on: March 21, 2018, 08:13:06 AM »
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  • Problem is that not everything is black and white.  Lots of people seek comfort in trying to force everything to be clear cut and simple.
    Here's the problem, the Prostitute shoes and such provocative worldly fashions as mass attire is just the tip of the iceberg, it is a big red flag, an indicator that those wearing them are dressing the rest of the week like everyone in the street, wearing short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, yoga pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed.........

    This is what I have personally seen because I see the same people here and there during the week.

    These are the new generation of mothers in the SSPX and their children, mothers under like 45 and their daughters.  

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #112 on: March 29, 2018, 10:31:10 AM »
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  • Here is a picture of Marilyn Monroe in what was called I think the "tight sweater" fashion. No Catholic woman would have worn that to mass in those times, but today even traditionalist women in their 50's and up wear them to mass and think nothing of it. What do the ladies here have to say about this?



    Same top as Marilyn Monroe  exhibited for all by the SSPX spokes girl on the SSPX News website:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/five-new-subdeacons-ordained-united-states-video-36666?utm_source=SSPX+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=aa9ee6d9c0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7e99fe6b53-aa9ee6d9c0-100028789&mc_cid=aa9ee6d9c0&mc_eid=b1d9a6890d 
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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #113 on: March 29, 2018, 10:43:43 AM »
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  • Here's the problem, the Prostitute shoes and such provocative worldly fashions as mass attire is just the tip of the iceberg, it is a big red flag, an indicator that those wearing them are dressing the rest of the week like everyone in the street, wearing short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, yoga pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed.........

    This is what I have personally seen because I see the same people here and there during the week.

    These are the new generation of mothers in the SSPX and their children, mothers under like 45 and their daughters.  

    They are called Sunday Catholics.
    True Catholics wear their Faith.
    What do you expect, when the SSPX is NO-ized?  Expect more of the same....

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #114 on: March 29, 2018, 11:46:36 AM »
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  • Same top as Marilyn Monroe  exhibited for all by the SSPX spokes girl on the SSPX News website:
    Here is the YouTube link

     
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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #116 on: March 29, 2018, 03:39:00 PM »
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  • Same top as Marilyn Monroe  exhibited for all by the SSPX spokes girl on the SSPX News website:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/five-new-subdeacons-ordained-united-states-video-36666?utm_source=SSPX+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=aa9ee6d9c0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7e99fe6b53-aa9ee6d9c0-100028789&mc_cid=aa9ee6d9c0&mc_eid=b1d9a6890d

    What do you expect when sspx priests allow the following:

    Bare shoulders

    https://goo.gl/images/LyMvAk

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    Bare back

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/sspx-marriages-are-incontestable-29003

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    Length

    http://fsspx.ie/en/news-events/calendar/young-adult-outing-19013

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    Sleeves,  Length

    https://goo.gl/images/cddj55

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    Sleeves

    http://sspxkenya.blogspot.com/2015/10/marriage-at-holy-cross-church.html?m=1

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    Veil, Sleeves

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/situation-sspx-marriages-today-part-3-canon-law-series-marriage

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/sspxcanada/favorites/

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h_nJymjMQBw/UmRLjwJJI-I/AAAAAAAAAKw/F4KZyfeyS7Q/s1600/Scan10013.JPG

    https://goo.gl/images/i8yLKH

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/situation-sspx-marriages-today-part-3-canon-law-series-marriage

    https://goo.gl/images/EJfHcE

    https://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2012/05/first-communions-at-st-vincents-sspx.html?m=1

    http://archives.sspx.org/chapel_news/2012/kansas_city_mo_5-9-2012/FirstCommunion29.jpg
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    Veil

    http://www.espacojames.com.br/popArtigo.php?id=14705

    https://akacatholic.com/sspx-communique-on-marriage-faculties/

    https://goo.gl/images/Q4BWji

    https://goo.gl/images/oQf2qS

    https://goo.gl/images/TgtCh6

    https://angeluspress.org/collections/religious-goods/products/st-angelus-first-communion-veil

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #117 on: March 29, 2018, 06:50:43 PM »
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  • When it comes to the modesty debate I think we focus a bit too much on how women's clothing can be an occasion of sin to men. I don't mean that in the ridiculous "victim shaming" way that feminists do. It is a factor and women should be aware of it. We need to do our part and have compassion on the weaknesses of our men. But there are two reasons why it might be less effective as the primary argument:

    1) Girls don't really understand it. I mean, I knew theoretically, I had been told and believed it, but I didn't really know the breadth of temptations for men until I was married a few years. Now I know and in fact we just joked the other day that I could be wearing trash bags and my husband still couldn't resist me. But before marriage this concept was very vague, which is ok. Give too many details and you risk ruining innocence, ironically while trying to preserve it, which would not be good either. So it's better that they don't really know anyway.

    2) Women are generally schizophrenic on this issue. Modesty is something that touches to our very core and the desire to be wanted or noticed is as powerful and intoxicating as a man's "desires". Eve pre-fallen-nature must have been breathtaking. But this wanting to be wanted thing is out of control post-original-sin. So as much the "temptation to men" is a good argument we just won't listen to sense. Women will spend hours shopping and trying on clothes that make them look and feel sexy but dare point this out in the context of immodesty and they will deny, deny, deny. It is a mindboggling, and often wilfull, blindspot. A girl can post a pic of how sexy she feels in a little black dress one minute, but then get extremely offended the next minute if it is pointed out that women dress provocatively on purpose. People openly talk about the sexiness of high heels ALL THE TIME, but point it out in the context of immodesty and the desire to elicit lustful feelings and again it's offense and denials. The first thing women do when they try on a pair of skinny jeans is make sure their backside looks great, but point out that jeans are worn with the intention of turning heads (in most cases) and all hell breaks loose, almost literally. It's insane.

    This happens all day long in the trad world too, to all different degrees. They aren't just talking about wanting to be pretty. They are fully seeking to be sexy and attract (which all adults know translates to getting attention and arousing lust) and will admit it in every other context except in the immodesty discussion. Only then do they walk it back and get their feelings so "hurt" because all they want is to be "pretty". The duplicity or blindness or cognitive dissonance, whatever you want to call it, is out of this world. It's a brick wall so thick nothing but a miraculous amount of grace and humility can get through it.

    Some random "creepy" guy confronting them would only send them deeper into denial. If some random "creepy" guy confronts someone, he is basically admitting he is tempted by her and that gives her a weird twisted kind of power over him. So she can turn the tables on him, write him off and avoid facing whether he spoke truth or not. Because he is a creep, right? Who does that? She does not have to listen to weirdos. She will fight tooth and nail to make it about him and it's just an all around bad road to go down. Better to leave it to the fathers and priests from the pulpit. If they don't deal with it, they will answer to God and it won't be pretty, don't worry.

    There is another side of the argument that I think might be more important in the formation of young girls and that is to teach them why modesty is best for their own salvation and their own souls. Not only does it attract the right kind of man and win them the right kind of love, but it seems like modesty is the first battleground for a woman's soul. I do not have saints writings to fall back on but if my observations have any grain of truth to them, the interior disposition necessary to dress modestly seems to be essential to striving for any real degree of sanctity. The interior grace, the humility, the docility, the ability to take a brutally honest look at oneself and one's deepest motivations, the ability to take correction, the ability to face and accept (with humility) the embarrassing feelings of having crossed the line, the ability to repent and turn that embarrassment into a resolution not to sin again, the fortitude to stand out as a little different, the internal serenity or confidence of needing only God's approval (as opposed to the lustful approval of hundreds of men or the jealousy/approval of women, or even one's own admiring approval), the mortification of vanity, the perseverance to make the right choice even if it's inconvenient, the ability to look past the current cultural norms to see if there are absolute human truths, all of those virtues (and more!) factor into this one decision of how to dress. How is a girl or woman going to reach any serious degree of sanctity if she can't even practice these virtues in something as basic as what clothes to wear?

    That's not necessarily a call to judge the state of each woman's soul according to her clothes, we are all in different places along the journey and only God knows all the details; but it's meant more as an observation for each girl and woman to make about herself. If each girl understands that the virtues she practices in something as simple as clothing have far-reaching effects on everything else in her life, she might be more inclined to take it more seriously. Modesty is so closely intertwined with humility, without which all other virtues will be stunted. Sure, we can push the envelope and still end up being nice girls and generally good women, but will we be saints? If we learn to spot this weakness in ourselves and work hard to eradicate it, we might have a fighting chance. It at least tells God we are serious about cooperating with His grace in all things. I think impressing upon the girls why modesty is so important to them and why modesty is so good for them might help many of them muster up more conviction when faced with the over-powering temptations to dress immodestly.  

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #118 on: March 29, 2018, 07:31:27 PM »
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  • Great, great insights.  

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    Re: Slow Boiling the Mass Fashions of Women
    « Reply #119 on: March 30, 2018, 08:54:14 AM »
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  • Good job Wallflower.
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