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Offline MaterDominici

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Sloth: The Vice of Homeschoolers
« on: September 14, 2013, 03:49:20 AM »
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  • http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20130621-Sloth-The-Vice-of-Homeschoolers.html

    I've only listened once through, with all of the usual distractions, which means I probably only heard 1/3 of it, but I think it's a good one.

    45 minutes
    (seems to be addressed to a group of homeschoolers)
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson


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    « Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 07:27:33 AM »
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  • Mine stopped around 4:21.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 08:14:47 AM »
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  • I refreshed it & have been listening. 40:55 To need something and not be able to get it is not so bad? ??????

    People suffer sometimes die if they go without a need.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 10:02:26 AM »
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  • +JMJ+

    One of the great challenges of home-schooling is that of walking the line between complete intellectual anarchy and slavish imitation of the public-school "teach to the test" model, both of which are erroneous and harmful to a child's development.

    We carefully screen what our children read, watch and listen to, but it's not that hard, especially since we:

    a) don't have cable or network TV, only subscription services like Netflix and Hulu and Amazon Instant Video (which we as parents are absolutely in control of every time they are put on).

    b) only go to the library together (none of our children are old enough yet to drive, and our oldest is not old enough to walk or bike to our local library alone IF we were even to allow such a thing, which we would not.

    c) don't listen to commercial radio except for the odd classical station. Even then, most of the time, we simply use our Internet connection to stream an ad-free channel over our TV or PC.

    Our children are being taught math, composition, some history from books which is supplemented heavily by Dad's own studies in history which often clearly show how wrong the standardized curricula are, even the "Christian" ones (ex: "Jamestown was the first European settlement in the New World. The Pilgrims celebrated the first Thanksgiving in Massachusetts.")
    and elementary science, which is largely composed of food-science and gardening. Again, these subjects, when not being taught out of a good book, are being taught by Mom and Dad, bringing the truths of Scripture and the teachings of the Church to bear on every aspect of what they are learning.

    We are intentionally NOT schooling our children towards a secular college education. We are intentionally NOT assuming that such things are any more necessary in 2013 than they were in 1943, when my grandparents were raising young children. None of my grandparents went to college; three of the four of them never finished high school. Both sets of grandparents had traditional home lives, wherein my grandmothers stayed at home and raised their children until they were in school full-time, and even then only worked outside the home for brief periods each week so that they were never not home when their children were.

    All that to say that my grandmothers were practically very intelligent women who could carry on conversations, keep their homes, instruct their children in moral and ethical (and in my maternal grandparents' case, Catholic) truths, and present to the world feminine, modest, chaste, respectable and altogether productive examples of how society should be formed.

    That is the goal we have as parents as we educate our children. I can say for certain that my mother and father received excellent educations in their respective institutions (my mother went to Catholic elementary school and middle school and then public high school since the closest Catholic high school at the time was too far away and there was no extensive busing system in the early 1960s). Things are SO radically different today that my wife and I felt we had no choice but to home-school; we decided that a full DECADE before we even had our first child!

    The way to battle sloth in education of your children is the same method for battling sloth in any other area of life: remember that NOT to serve Our Lord and the Faith is to serve the Devil. St. Pope Pius X called secular schools "strongholds of the powers of darkness", which they were and are.

    Remember that, and you'll not only home-school with zeal, you'll direct their education not just to things useful in practical life, but to things truly Heavenly.

    St. Benedict's motto, "Ora et labora", could not be more applicable to home-schooling.

    Doctors of the Church, pray for us.

    St. Ann Seton, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

    Offline Elizabeth

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    « Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 10:23:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20130621-Sloth-The-Vice-of-Homeschoolers.html

    I've only listened once through, with all of the usual distractions, which means I probably only heard 1/3 of it, but I think it's a good one.

    45 minutes
    (seems to be addressed to a group of homeschoolers)


    They have a truly compassionate sermon about home schooling from last year; it made me cry.  It's not as long, but a very powerful encouragement for souls.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 01:18:53 PM »
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  • I support school choice to destroy the cultural terrorism of public schools but I must say how public school has enriched me in a way; not by knowledge no, but by giving me the hard road in life. Public school really enriched me about the doctrines and people I would later abhor and fight against. Who knows where I would be right now had the whole essence of cultural Marxism not been thrust head-long into my face, forcing me to be either with it or against it (luckily I chose the latter). Many homeschoolers on the other hand "know" a lot of books and knowledge, but do not have any real knowledge of the real world or how life is once you get out there.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 02:47:57 PM »
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  • Where on earth would you get such an opinion, saying that they have no knowledge of the real world or how life really is once you 'get out there'?!  How many of the millions of homeschoolers do you actually know to be able to make make such a statement?  This isn't a rhetorical question.  I want an answer.   My homeschooled kids all have good paying jobs - both sons make enough money so that their wives can be homemakers with children.  All are happy, fairly intelligent members of society.  Do you believe that homeschoolers are educated in a closet for heaven's sake?  

    Personally, I could state with many, many examples that the poor souls in public schools are the ones who haven't a clue of the 'real world.  Just because you (who's only one person) came out the way you did doesn't negate that homeschooling is the way to go in this time of apostasy, bullying, cruelty and twisted history facts.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 04:20:03 PM »
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  • Traditional Guy?  Did I get it wrong or did you not post on here last week suggesting you make only about $20k per year.

    I don't think homeschoolers know less about the world, just about some aspects of it.  But they know more about some aspects too. My niece is 22 was homeschooled and makes over 100k a year from her blog and YouTube channel.  She is one of the top young YouTubers in the UK.

    And she pretty much did it all herself from self learning how to run and grow a channel.  My brother is an IT guy but he did not really help her in anyway.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 14, 2013, 04:51:02 PM »
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  • Beautiful post, Stephen Francis.

    Trad Guy I think it's safe to say that homeschoolers have a hard road as well. It may be a more peaceful life but it isn't necessarily an easy one. It takes a lot of hard work and unity from every single member of the family. God sends His trials to all, just in different ways. He may have brought good out of public school for you but that is a special grace and not something I would ever assume He would do for my children should I be so unwise as to send them there.

    As evil as the world is, we should not WANT our children to have "real knowledge" of the "real world", because essentially that is a ploy to take away their innocence. People throw that around in the same way the serpent did ... knowledge of good AND evil, like it's great! No. During their formative years children should receive a solid foundation only in what is good. In small age-appropriate steps, like a vax, you inoculate them with knowledge of what is evil. But it must be laid upon a foundation of what is good or they will not know how to recognize it as evil. Evil is the absence of good and if a child doesn't know what good is, neither can they recognize its absence.  

    Now, if you mean "real world" as in jobs, economics etc... there's no reason that can't be taught while homeschooling and having summer jobs.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 14, 2013, 04:57:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I support school choice to destroy the cultural terrorism of public schools but I must say how public school has enriched me in a way; not by knowledge no, but by giving me the hard road in life. Public school really enriched me about the doctrines and people I would later abhor and fight against. Who knows where I would be right now had the whole essence of cultural Marxism not been thrust head-long into my face, forcing me to be either with it or against it (luckily I chose the latter). Many homeschoolers on the other hand "know" a lot of books and knowledge, but do not have any real knowledge of the real world or how life is once you get out there.


    My general impression of public schools is that the are prisons full of animals and torturers of varying capability.

    It's a side of life not worth knowing unless forced to by necessity. One can get good out of any situation, but one doesn't seek out such experiences as prison or torture, they are the sort of thing one undergoes only of necessity. It's good you managed as well as you did.

    'Obviously the need of this Christian instruction is accentuated by the decline of our times and morals. It is even more demanded by the existence of those public schools, lacking all religion, where everything holy is ridiculed and scorned. There both teachers' lips and students' ears are inclined to godlessness. We are referring to those schools which are unjustly called neutral or lay. In reality, they are nothing more than the stronghold of the powers of darkness.'

    Pope St. Pius X
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    Shin

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    « Reply #10 on: September 14, 2013, 05:28:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Thorn
    Where on earth would you get such an opinion, saying that they have no knowledge of the real world or how life really is once you 'get out there'?!  How many of the millions of homeschoolers do you actually know to be able to make make such a statement?  This isn't a rhetorical question.  I want an answer.   My homeschooled kids all have good paying jobs - both sons make enough money so that their wives can be homemakers with children.  All are happy, fairly intelligent members of society.  Do you believe that homeschoolers are educated in a closet for heaven's sake?  

    Personally, I could state with many, many examples that the poor souls in public schools are the ones who haven't a clue of the 'real world.  Just because you (who's only one person) came out the way you did doesn't negate that homeschooling is the way to go in this time of apostasy, bullying, cruelty and twisted history facts.


    I know about 3 or 4 home-schooled kids. They are not Catholic, but they went to Christian home-schooling (evangelical). Reading a library of books, most of which are grabage anyway, does not prepare you for the work and hardships of life. Now let me remind you that if this was before 1900 you wouldn't be talking to a man like this. :wink:


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    « Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 05:30:23 PM »
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    Traditional Guy?  Did I get it wrong or did you not post on here last week suggesting you make only about $20k per year.

    I don't think homeschoolers know less about the world, just about some aspects of it.  But they know more about some aspects too. My niece is 22 was homeschooled and makes over 100k a year from her blog and YouTube channel.  She is one of the top young YouTubers in the UK.

    And she pretty much did it all herself from self learning how to run and grow a channel.  My brother is an IT guy but he did not really help her in anyway.


    We can really give an applause to the rich, like yourself, which refuse working-class Catholics a salary where they have enough to send their children to Catholic schools.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 05:40:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: wallflower
    Trad Guy I think it's safe to say that homeschoolers have a hard road as well. It may be a more peaceful life but it isn't necessarily an easy one. It takes a lot of hard work and unity from every single member of the family. God sends His trials to all, just in different ways. He may have brought good out of public school for you but that is a special grace and not something I would ever assume He would do for my children should I be so unwise as to send them there.


    Well there are plenty of evil things in public schools like religion out of the classroom, sɛҳuąƖ education, etc. but let's face it, your average member of society is going to go to public school, that is a fact. Even private schools, if they give school vouchers to little Tommy Tucker and his gang of thugs, will go downhill.

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    As evil as the world is, we should not WANT our children to have "real knowledge" of the "real world", because essentially that is a ploy to take away their innocence. People throw that around in the same way the serpent did ... knowledge of good AND evil, like it's great! No. During their formative years children should receive a solid foundation only in what is good. In small age-appropriate steps, like a vax, you inoculate them with knowledge of what is evil. But it must be laid upon a foundation of what is good or they will not know how to recognize it as evil. Evil is the absence of good and if a child doesn't know what good is, neither can they recognize its absence.


    Obviously, however a major part of "that world" has been a part of Western society for quite a while now. In my opinion it works out best of the child goes into the labor force first and then starts any college degree because if parents pay for it then the child does not respect the money given. The best thing a parent can do is give their child as little money as possible and force them to struggle in life and effort.

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    Now, if you mean "real world" as in jobs, economics etc... there's no reason that can't be taught while homeschooling and having summer jobs.


    I mean the real world in a variety of ways. One can teach their child about hard work but uintil they end up in an apartment complex working two jobs they won't realize what work work does. I myself for instance grew up in life after having a mother and father who gave me up for drugs and had to coe to the Catholic Faith on my own and find myself more thankful for it than many of these "cradle Catholics." Sports, in my opinion are of infinate value in this life for instance.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 14, 2013, 05:49:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: shin
    My general impression of public schools is that the are prisons full of animals and torturers of varying capability.


    More like brainwashed children being fed lies by members of the Left.

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    It's a side of life not worth knowing unless forced to by necessity. One can get good out of any situation, but one doesn't seek out such experiences as prison or torture, they are the sort of thing one undergoes only of necessity. It's good you managed as well as you did.


    Well let me say this: as I said before I support school choice and yes there is the Bible, Ten Commandments, prayer, etc. cast out, along with the teaching of sɛҳuąƖ education, etc. but the topic was about the spirutual sloth of homeschoolers and so I gave my opinion on having gone through public school: they are slothful because they do not have their Faith challenged.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 14, 2013, 05:55:55 PM »
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  • I went to a public school until my mid-teens; they are for the absolute lowest common denominator. I'm not putting any "class" of people down. I think everyone would benefit staying at home with a parent and learning whatever their parents do (with the obvious exceptions of drug-addled parents, who could get off drugs or do time) Parents could opt to join some sort of cooperation (like they do now) to teach specialties. To this DAY I thank God for college because NO, you DO NOT ever mingle with "the world" again the way you're made to in public school, unless your "real world" is prison.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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