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Offline Cera

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Sitting out the election?
« on: July 02, 2020, 03:55:31 PM »
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  • In an ideal world, a traditional Catholic sitting out the election is an option.

    n the real world, a traditional Catholic sitting out the election is an endorsement of what puppet Joe Biden stands for:
    sodomy, transgender, men in women's bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons and sports
    forced taxpayer funding of abortion
    late-term abortion on demand  
    infanticide
    public approval of Communist China's one-child policy
    in the pocket of Communist China
    corruption (his son's deals with Ukraine and China)
    defund police
    socialism
    religious intolerance
    discredits Catholicism by claiming to be Catholic

    Most of this is common knowledge for details on his baby killing support see:
    https://lifeontheballot.com/joe-biden/

    Feel free to add to this list.
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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2020, 04:44:47 PM »
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  • n the real world, a traditional Catholic sitting out the election is an endorsement of what puppet Joe Biden stands for:

    I disagree.  Not supporting Trump does not mean supporting Biden.

    This is the two-part Hegelian dialectic that the nation has been manipulated into.


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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2020, 04:56:28 PM »
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  • I'm concerned about Trump's stand on abortion.

    He is for it for cases of rape and threat to a mother's life....which is immoral.

    Correct me on that if I am mistaken, because I heard Trump has altered his views somewhat on that.

    If he holds an immoral stand on that, then it appears it would be immoral to vote for him.

    Some say, in that case, we could vote for him as the "lesser evil" because of how terrible it would be for a Democrat to be elected.

    Unfortunately, the Catholic principle of choosing a lesser evil means that you have NO CHOICE BUT to choose an evil. But refraining from voting is a non-evil choice, and so is voting for a third-party candidate.

    I know I should ask a knowledgeable priest, and I plan to, but thought it may be worth seeing what anyone has heard about this.

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2020, 05:21:10 PM »
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  • I disagree.  Not supporting Trump does not mean supporting Biden.

    This is the two-part Hegelian dialectic that the nation has been manipulated into.
    Having taught Hegel's dialectic, I am interesting in learning from you about the "two-part" Hegelian dialectic, of which I have never heard.
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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2020, 05:33:18 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, the Catholic principle of choosing a lesser evil means that you have NO CHOICE BUT to choose an evil. But refraining from voting is a non-evil choice, and so is voting for a third-party candidate.
    I have not heard of the "Catholic principle of choosing a lesser evil." Please explain.
    The bottom line is that what you are calling a "non-evil choice" will result in
    continued attacks on law enforcement
    law enforcement retiring in vast numbers
    anarchy
    violence against churches
    violence against those who are Catholic, pro-life, pro-Bible, pro-Natural Law
    defunding/ destroying police departments
    replacing them with Communist style "community organizers" to force politically correct views, forced vaccines, break up families, take children into "protective custody," etc.
    rampant sodomy and pederasty
    men posing as women having access to your mother, your sister, your daughter
    dystopian wars
    removing God from the public square
    removing religious liberty to refuse to participate in making sodomy wedding cakes, etc.
    increasing late term abortions and infanticide.

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 06:03:47 PM »
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  • In an ideal world, a traditional Catholic sitting out the election is an option.

    n the real world, a traditional Catholic sitting out the election is an endorsement of what puppet Joe Biden stands for:
    sodomy, transgender, men in women's bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons and sports
    forced taxpayer funding of abortion
    late-term abortion on demand  
    infanticide
    public approval of Communist China's one-child policy
    in the pocket of Communist China
    corruption (his son's deals with Ukraine and China)
    defund police
    socialism
    religious intolerance
    discredits Catholicism by claiming to be Catholic

    Most of this is common knowledge for details on his baby killing support see:
    https://lifeontheballot.com/joe-biden/

    Feel free to add to this list.
    This theory is so tired.  We've compromised til the cows came home.  Some of us want to be Catholic.  And that doesn't include shutdown of churches, ridiculous destruction of the economy with MASSIVE printing of money, compliance with lockdowns, with Fauci, with population control agenda.  Not to mention the ridiculous pretense about the need for ventilators, waffling about masks, and crazy actions by the Fed now under Trump's control.  Trump also wants a vaccine.  Trump supports the gαy agenda.  Sorry.  Not voting for Trump is not a vote for Biden.  I'm done dealing with the devil.  

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 07:02:57 PM »
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    I have not heard of the "Catholic principle of choosing a lesser evil." Please explain.
    The bottom line is that what you are calling a "non-evil choice" will result in
    continued attacks on law enforcement
    law enforcement retiring in vast numbers
    anarchy
    violence against churches
    violence against those who are Catholic, pro-life, pro-Bible, pro-Natural Law
    defunding/ destroying police departments
    replacing them with Communist style "community organizers" to force politically correct views, forced vaccines, break up families, take children into "protective custody," etc.
    rampant sodomy and pederasty
    men posing as women having access to your mother, your sister, your daughter
    dystopian wars
    removing God from the public square
    removing religious liberty to refuse to participate in making sodomy wedding cakes, etc.
    increasing late term abortions and infanticide.
    That is a slippery slope argument. I fail to see how some Catholics think that a thrice-married Protestant that lets his Zionist son-in-law, Jared Kushner, act as his Senior Advisor can ever be a person I can support. Nor will I vote for the apostate known as Joseph Biden.

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #7 on: July 02, 2020, 07:20:07 PM »
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  • Having taught Hegel's dialectic

    This explains much.


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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #8 on: July 02, 2020, 07:29:46 PM »
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  • Apropos to this thread's subject, I'd like to present this accusation which the OP lobbed against a non-voting poster in another thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/blm-leader-says-group-developing-highly-trained-'military'-arm-for-war/msg705188/#msg705188):

    Quote from: Cera on June 23, 2020, 03:58:58 PM
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    Depending on your age, thanks a lot for helping the Bushes, Clinton and Obama devastate your nation.

    I'm still curious to see if these (rather reasonable, I think) questions will be answered:


    How did he help the Bushes? By not voting for Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry? How would that have helped? Obama and Clinton helped devastate the country, but those three wouldn't have?

    How did he help Clinton and Obama? By not voting for Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney? How would that have helped? The Bushes helped devastate the country, but those three wouldn't have?

    Bush Sr. and Clinton ran against each other in '92, remember? Which of the two nation-devastators did you vote for then?




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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2020, 08:15:06 PM »
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  • This explains much.
    Only to an ignorant person who lacks the mental clarity to understand the need to know the tactics of the enemy.
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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2020, 08:24:18 PM »
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  • I have not heard of the "Catholic principle of choosing a lesser evil." Please explain.
    The bottom line is that what you are calling a "non-evil choice" will result in
    continued attacks on law enforcement
    law enforcement retiring in vast numbers
    anarchy
    violence against churches
    violence against those who are Catholic, pro-life, pro-Bible, pro-Natural Law
    defunding/ destroying police departments
    replacing them with Communist style "community organizers" to force politically correct views, forced vaccines, break up families, take children into "protective custody," etc.
    rampant sodomy and pederasty
    men posing as women having access to your mother, your sister, your daughter
    dystopian wars
    removing God from the public square
    removing religious liberty to refuse to participate in making sodomy wedding cakes, etc.
    increasing late term abortions and infanticide.
    Choosing a lesser evil means that, in its simplest form, you have TWO choices to do something, and you HAVE TO choose one by force of circuмstance. You choose what you consider to be the lesser evil.

    If I had to choose to vote between Trump and a Democrat, it's obvious I would vote for Trump.

    But IF voting for Trump were intrinsically evil for some reason, then I would either have to choose to refrain from voting at all, or choose someone else who is not an intrinsically evil vote.


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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2020, 08:24:35 PM »
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  • If I may throw my two cents in here, I would like to. 

    As Catholics we are not obliged to vote in an election if all the choices are not good. Even though one clearly talks a better talk than the other...I think we can all say that Trump has disappointed us in one way or another and to different degrees...

    Both parties have played into this Communist agenda lately. Yes, one has been worse than the other...

    But this is not something both sides of this issue need to anathema the other over. The devil is clearly on both political sides and we don’t need, as Trads, to play his divide and conquer game with each other. 

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #12 on: July 03, 2020, 12:02:42 AM »
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  • Voting for Biden is a mortal sin. Not voting is (at least) a serious venial sin. Voting for President Trump is a moral obligation and, for Christians, is a supernaturally meritorious act. Failure to do so makes one complicit in allowing the abortion h0Ɩ0cαųst to continue.

    "Article: President Trump and Senate Majority Leader McConnell continue to transform the Federal Judiciary:

    https://www.axios.com/trump-mcconnell-judge-confirmations-senate-8b5087fd-5fd1-4846-8a1c-cadf888bf18b.html

    After three years in office, President Trump and the Republican-held Senate have installed a total of 187 [Dec. 2019] judges to the federal bench, with Trump nominees now making up one in four U.S. circuit court judges, according to an analysis by the Washington Post.

    Why it matters: Trump's transformation of the federal judiciary will ensure that it maintains a conservative tilt for decades, likely affecting future progressive legislation and priorities no matter the outcome of next November’s election.

    By the numbers: Trump has so far appointed two Supreme Court justices and 50 judges on the 13 U.S. circuit courts. By comparison, Obama appointed two Supreme Court justices and 55 circuit judges during the entirety of his two terms.

    Trump has also flipped three circuit courts to majority GOP-appointed judges, including the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York.

    Between the lines: The president and Senate Republicans selected younger conservatives for lifetime appointments to ensure that their impact is felt years after the Trump administration, according to the Washington Post.

    Of note: While the House voted to impeach the president last week, the Senate confirmed an additional 13 district court judges.

    What's next: Trump and Senate Republicans have only one circuit court vacancy left to fill this year. More could open up next year, and there will certainly be vacancies in Trump's second term if he wins in November.

    There's also a strong chance of openings on the Supreme Court in the next presidential term. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, is 86 years old, while Justice Stephen Breyer, another Clinton pick, is 81."


    President Trump recently said he expects to complete 300 conservative judge appointments by the first term end. This alone is sufficient to give him a second term and will absolutely guarantee Roe v Wade will be overturned in a second presidential term of President Trump.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #13 on: July 03, 2020, 12:19:53 AM »
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  • “The perfect is the enemy of the good.”
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    Biden = evil.  Bush = lesser evil.  Trump = lesser good.  
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    You may not like Trump’s promotion of homos, but that’s a far less evil than abortion, which he’s against.  
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    From a purely practical, non-catholic perspective, I’d vote Trump just to keep my guns, to avoid WW3, and not die in a FEMA camp of starvation or some medical experiment.  It’s just common sense to vote Trump.  If you don’t think Biden will bring about the anti-Christ, you’re sorely mistaken. 

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    Re: Sitting out the election?
    « Reply #14 on: July 03, 2020, 12:32:02 AM »
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  • Only to an ignorant person who lacks the mental clarity to understand the need to know the tactics of the enemy.

    Uh-huh.

    So, then:

    How did he help the Bushes? By not voting for Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry? How would that have helped? Obama and Clinton helped devastate the country, but those three wouldn't have?

    How did he help Clinton and Obama? By not voting for Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney? How would that have helped? The Bushes helped devastate the country, but those three wouldn't have?

    Bush Sr. and Clinton ran against each other in '92, remember? Which of the two nation-devastators did you vote for then?