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Sister Wilhelmina
« on: June 08, 2023, 09:57:29 AM »
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #1 on: June 08, 2023, 10:00:26 AM »
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2023, 10:30:06 AM »
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    • Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

    Finally a well known SV has weighed in!!!! I've tried several back channels (across the SV spectrum) to get some commentary, but crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How silly. 

    Thank you, Dr Dro!

    And now let me see what you have to say...................
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2023, 10:41:51 AM »
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    • I don't understand why a sedevacantist (well known, or otherwise) would care to weigh in on the Sr. Wilhelmina situation.

    After all, the conciliar church, to the sedevacantists, is in no way Catholic. They may as well weigh in on what is happening in the lutheran sect or the baptist sect, or any other non-Catholic sect. Why do they focus so much on the conciliar church, which they believe to be non-Catholic? Is it because many traditional non-sedevacantists do not accept that the conciliar church has apostasized? The sedevacantists tend to believe that the Catholic Church resides primarily in sedevacantist chapels. So why care at all about non-Catholics? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #4 on: June 09, 2023, 07:51:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 08, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
    I don't understand why a sedevacantist (well known, or otherwise) would care to weigh in on the Sr. Wilhelmina situation.

    After all, the conciliar church, to the sedevacantists, is in no way Catholic. They may as well weigh in on what is happening in the lutheran sect or the baptist sect, or any other non-Catholic sect. Why do they focus so much on the conciliar church, which they believe to be non-Catholic? Is it because many traditional non-sedevacantists do not accept that the conciliar church has apostasized? The sedevacantists tend to believe that the Catholic Church resides primarily in sedevacantist chapels. So why care at all about non-Catholics?

    Good Morning Meg,

    Did you read the article? It's diffused through and through with a wonderful Catholic spirit. It's also full of facts - facts I've been hoping to come across. It's got the account of her death, samples of her writing, some biographical data, the account of the exhumation, and some quotes from news sources. 

    It also contains a message - a message to traditional Catholics that I believe is Divinely inspired. To answer your question in advance, Dr. Dro heartily affirms that there are real Catholics with the True Faith in many camps, including inside the structure. Explicitly, he does not judge all inside the structure to be non-Catholics.

    I recommend you read it, especially if you are interested in learning more about SrW.
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #5 on: June 09, 2023, 08:06:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on June 09, 2023, 07:51:08 AM
    Good Morning Meg,

    Did you read the article? It's diffused through and through with a wonderful Catholic spirit. It's also full of facts - facts I've been hoping to come across. It's got the account of her death, samples of her writing, some biographical data, the account of the exhumation, and some quotes from news sources.

    It also contains a message - a message to traditional Catholics that I believe is Divinely inspired. To answer your question in advance, Dr. Dro heartily affirms that there are real Catholics with the True Faith in many camps, including inside the structure. Explicitly, he does not judge all inside the structure to be non-Catholics.

    I recommend you read it, especially if you are interested in learning more about SrW.

    Thank you, but I haven't read anything by Dr. Dro since he came out as a SV about 13 or 14 or so years ago. It was announced on the old AQ forum. I initially did read his reasoning for becoming a sede, because I wanted to try to understand it. It wasn't at all compelling.

    I have to assume that he believes that there is no longer any visible Catholic Church, except as exists in sedevacantist chapels, even if he thinks that there are Catholics with the True Faith in many camps.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2023, 05:35:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 09, 2023, 08:06:50 AM
    Thank you, but I haven't read anything by Dr. Dro since he came out as a SV about 13 or 14 or so years ago. It was announced on the old AQ forum. I initially did read his reasoning for becoming a sede, because I wanted to try to understand it. It wasn't at all compelling.

    I have to assume that he believes that there is no longer any visible Catholic Church, except as exists in sedevacantist chapels, even if he thinks that there are Catholics with the True Faith in many camps.

    I have no idea what he believes. I never read him because I'm not attracted to trad controversies anymore, and because he is so long-winded and tedious. But this article is worth it's weight in gold. A home run. 

    Notwithstanding, it still does not escape fitting squarely into the tedium category. It took me an entire day to read it! LOL!
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #7 on: June 09, 2023, 07:11:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 08, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
    I don't understand why a sedevacantist (well known, or otherwise) would care to weigh in on the Sr. Wilhelmina situation.

    After all, the conciliar church, to the sedevacantists, is in no way Catholic.

    It's not, but, except for in the minds of a relatively-small percentage of dogmatic Sedevacantists, there are still Catholics in the Conciliar Church who themselves haven't lost the faith.
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #8 on: June 10, 2023, 06:10:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on June 08, 2023, 09:57:29 AM
    SW2019.pdf (benedictinesofmary.org)  In her own words.
    Thank you so much for posting this, Always. i have started on it and look forward to completing it in the morning. 

    Also to seeing what the good doctor has to say. I used to read him regularly, but I find now that he is just too prolix, but I’ll make an exception for this. 
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2023, 07:52:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on June 08, 2023, 10:00:26 AM
    http://www.christorchaos.com/?q=content/sister-mary-wilhelmina-lancaster-has-much-teach-us-about-persevering-courage-joy-and-charity
    In the article Wilhelmina is related to have said she wanted to write a novel like Little Women, which was a revolutionary feminist work by a transcendentalist heretic.

    Certainly there are many aspects that seem miraculous but I'm wary of being duped by the Novus Ordites.
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2023, 08:36:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 09, 2023, 07:11:32 PM
    It's not, but, except for in the minds of a relatively-small percentage of dogmatic Sedevacantists, there are still Catholics in the Conciliar Church who themselves haven't lost the faith.

    That's fine, but I was referring to the actual conciliar church. Some in the conciliar church still have the faith, but they do not attend or belong to an actual real Church (Catholic Church), according to sedevacantists teachings, right?

    I did read part of Dr. Drolesky's article. He said at one point that Sr. Wilhelmina had sanctity (or words to that effect), despite not having any actual sacraments available to her. Is that even possible? What about the sacrament of baptism? For the sedevacantists, like Drolesky, wouldn't Sr. Wilhelmina be a non-Catholic, since she may have been baptized in the new rite? Or maybe she was baptized in the old rite. But in any case, according to the sedevacatists, there would be no Catholics in the conciliar church if they were baptized in the new rite of baptism, correct?
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2023, 10:55:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 10, 2023, 08:36:46 AM
    That's fine, but I was referring to the actual conciliar church. Some in the conciliar church still have the faith, but they do not attend or belong to an actual real Church (Catholic Church), according to sedevacantists teachings, right?

    I did read part of Dr. Drolesky's article. He said at one point that Sr. Wilhelmina had sanctity (or words to that effect), despite not having any actual sacraments available to her. Is that even possible? What about the sacrament of baptism? For the sedevacantists, like Drolesky, wouldn't Sr. Wilhelmina be a non-Catholic, since she may have been baptized in the new rite? Or maybe she was baptized in the old rite. But in any case, according to the sedevacatists, there would be no Catholics in the conciliar church if they were baptized in the new rite of baptism, correct?
    From what I've gathered you're on this forum for many years. How you can still be so wildly ignorant about sedevacantists is truly astounding.
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2023, 12:02:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on June 10, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
    From what I've gathered you're on this forum for many years. How you can still be so wildly ignorant about sedevacantists is truly astounding.

    What part is in ignorance of sedevacantism, in your opinion? Do you believe that those members of the conciliar church who have been baptized in the new rite are actually Catholic, in that the new rite of baptism is valid? 

    May I ask....how long have you been a forum member?
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2023, 01:22:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 08, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
    I don't understand why a sedevacantist (well known, or otherwise) would care to weigh in on the Sr. Wilhelmina situation.

    After all, the conciliar church, to the sedevacantists, is in no way Catholic. They may as well weigh in on what is happening in the lutheran sect or the baptist sect, or any other non-Catholic sect. Why do they focus so much on the conciliar church, which they believe to be non-Catholic? Is it because many traditional non-sedevacantists do not accept that the conciliar church has apostasized? The sedevacantists tend to believe that the Catholic Church resides primarily in sedevacantist chapels. So why care at all about non-Catholics?
    Boy are you way off.  No because the novus ordo is a mockery of Catholicism.   The Sister may be a diamond in the ruff.  It would be her attachment to Christ which has overcome the confused modern religion. 
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    Re: Sister Wilhelmina
    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2023, 01:29:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on June 10, 2023, 07:52:08 AM
    In the article Wilhelmina is related to have said she wanted to write a novel like Little Women, which was a revolutionary feminist work by a transcendentalist heretic.

    Certainly there are many aspects that seem miraculous but I'm wary of being duped by the Novus Ordites.
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    Interesting point. If we're claiming she's a saint or on that level of sanctity, I have my doubts too. This quote is problematic for me as well:


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    Her biography tells of an occasion when a sister passing her in the hallway pointed at the traditional headdress and asked, “Are you going to wear that all the time?” 

    “Yes!” Sister Wilhelmina responded and would later quip, “I am Sister WIL-HEL-MINA — I’ve a HELL of a WILL and I MEAN it!”

    While I understand that she is denouncing some modernist, I can't imagine the Little Flower talking like this, either. Frankly, I couldn't imagine any traditional Catholic priest or nun of my acquaintance talking like this either.
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