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Since when is the Internet bad?
« on: May 09, 2014, 11:27:06 AM »
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  • Reference this thread:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Le-Roux-propaganda

    As far as I know, the main evil of the Internet is when you go into the Internet's "red light districts".

    But what about the countless traditional Catholics who don't have problems with pornography?

    What about Mike the Trad who has a wife and family, who uses the Internet to check the weather, read the news, keep in touch by e-mail, maybe have a facebook page, order household goods on Amazon.com, maybe buy or sell some used stuff on eBay or Craigslist (waste not, want not = frugality), etc.

    Or, more to the point, what if Mike the Trad lives somewhere outside St. Mary's, KS and wants to talk with other Trads on discussion boards about Catholic issues of the day?

    Yes, forums are excessively democratic (If both "pope" Michael and Bishop Williamson signed up for an account on CathInfo, they would each have the same kind of account, and their posts would be considered "equals", etc.) and that is a bad thing. But on the other hand, avoiding them means that Catholics will be starved for friendship, and will de-facto end up making friends with non-Catholics and heretics. How is that better? Who is the SSPX to make such a far-reaching and important ruling?

    Then there are John, Luke, and Matt who earn their living from computers and the Internet. They don't even live in the same state as their employers (or should I say, "clients", since they're not actual employees). How many careers are feasible these days? A large portion of traditional Catholics are going to take the safe road of Information Technology. IT jobs are quite attractive: Besides being well-paying, numerous and neutral to the Faith, they also allow a man to live in the country where land is cheap (or in a mecca like St. Marys) while still earning a good living.

    Since when does the Church have an opinion on Wide Area Networks or network connectivity? What does the Church care about what DNS servers you configure your PC to use?

    Call me jaded, but as a long-time Internet user and computer programmer, the Internet has no "magic" for me. I understand it too well and too deeply. It's all just a bunch of computers connected on a network. I also know just how limited Google's knowledge is.

    It's all about what websites you load on that PC, and what human (moral) actions follow. The Ten Commandments apply in every place: work, school, home, letters, books, or online.

    Is the Internet really the "biggest fish" the SSPX needs to fry right now? Or is it because the Internet is bypassing and nullifying their propaganda machine? They'd like to be the only source, so they can feed the sheep whatever genetically-engineered forage they decide. If they want to put antibiotics in the feed, they want to make sure each sheep gets his dose. They don't want the sheep free-ranging on a natural pasture, because then they can't control them as closely.

    True, the Internet is full of distractions (think: Youtube) but a person without discipline on the Internet will also be without discipline IRL. So "tossing the Internet" would achieve nothing.

    TV, on the other hand, is different. Content for the TV is only produced by multi-million dollar corporations, which creates a "gatekeeper" scenario that only certain scripts get produced into movies.  A group of devout Catholics won't be able to produce even one movie, whereas a small group of Jєωs will be able to produce 99% of the movies/TV that we watch. American movies aren't full of propaganda; they ARE propaganda. So by "tossing the TV" you can eliminate this source of brainwashing for yourselves and your children.

    But are Internet and TV the reason the next generation of Trads won't be Trads for long? No, at least that isn't the only issue. What about public school? What about the friends they hang out with? What about visiting occasions of sin? What about stark patterns of general worldliness, even if sin is barely skirted in each given instance?

    If the SSPX is going to concern itself with the details of lay life, they should address important things like family togetherness -- the wife staying home, how to be frugal so this is possible, home schooling, and other related topics. They might address the Debt Money system, so Catholics understand how the world works (so they can better fight it). The topics of training children for adulthood and career education should be brought up often.
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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2014, 11:38:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    They'd like to be the only source, so they can feed the sheep whatever genetically-engineered forage they decide.

    Your statement made me think of this:



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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 11:53:16 AM »
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  • Maybe the internet is bad since in it's early stages over 75% of the revenue came from pornography.

    In other words, the fertilizer was porn.

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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #3 on: May 09, 2014, 12:27:18 PM »
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    It's all about what websites you load on that PC, and what human (moral) actions follow. The Ten Commandments apply in every place: work, school, home, letters, books, or online.

    Is the Internet really the "biggest fish" the SSPX needs to fry right now? Or is it because the Internet is bypassing and nullifying their propaganda machine? They'd like to be the only source, so they can feed the sheep whatever genetically-engineered forage they decide. If they want to put antibiotics in the feed, they want to make sure each sheep gets his dose. They don't want the sheep free-ranging on a natural pasture, because then they can't control them as closely.

     True, the Internet is full of distractions (think: Youtube) but a person without discipline on the Internet will also be without discipline IRL. So "tossing the Internet" would achieve nothing.

    TV, on the other hand, is different. Content for the TV is only produced by multi-million dollar corporations, which creates a "gatekeeper" scenario that only certain scripts get produced into movies.  A group of devout Catholics won't be able to produce even one movie, whereas a small group of Jєωs will be able to produce 99% of the movies/TV that we watch. American movies aren't full of propaganda; they ARE propaganda. So by "tossing the TV" you can eliminate this source of brainwashing for yourselves and your children.



    Very well said, sir!
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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #4 on: May 09, 2014, 12:37:33 PM »
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  • Fr. Ripperger has said that people who say that the internet or tv are inherantly bad are bad philosophers lol
    St. Joseph the Worker, pray for us!


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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #5 on: May 09, 2014, 12:41:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: johnb104
    Fr. Ripperger has said that people who say that the internet or tv are inherantly bad are bad philosophers lol


    TV is only theoretically neutral.

    In practice, it takes millions of dollars to produce a TV show or movie. Most devout Catholics, even in groups, can't afford this.

    So you have a few men deciding what billions of people ingest into their minds. That is too much power.

    And once you factor in that those few men are the Jєωs, who have been the enemy of the Church for 2000 years, it becomes grave indeed.

    Sure, TV is neutral if you want to watch home videos. But beyond that, you're talking about Hollywood productions and they are NOT neutral but are positively anti-Catholic.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 09, 2014, 12:57:50 PM »
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  • Am I better off for not watching TV? Sure.

    TV isn't inherently bad though.
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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #7 on: May 09, 2014, 11:52:10 PM »
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  • I am convinced that the internet and computers are not a good thing.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 12:09:05 AM »
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    I am convinced that the internet and computers are not a good thing.

    Well, I believe that many (if not most) people use the internet for evil. But if you don't look at porn or go to one night stand websites, computers and the internet can be really useful and not bad at all.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 12:32:59 AM »
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  • Good post Matthew.

    Computers/Internet are like nearly everything else in this world a double-edged sword.  Ya they can definitely be a time waster/distraction, assuming you can manage to avoid the gross indecency so prevalent on the web.  But you can also find a lot of great things like books, trad sermons/conferences etc if you want to look for them.  I pretty much completely restrict myself to a few sites I can completely trust like CI and some other good Catholic sites, to see whats going on in traddieland and to look for interesting books/videos etc.

    I can also say that without the web, I probably never would have found the Catholic faith.  I knew zero practicing Catholics in my life, and knew very nearly nothing about the Catholic Church, other than it existed and seemed to have a church in every town.  I got interested one day in early Church history and started doing a bit of research on the internet. Bam, just like that I encountered the Catholic Church for the first time and was immediately interested.  I kept reading the little tracts on the Catholic Answers site on basic issues like the Sacraments, Mass, the Blessed Virgin Mary etc (and they do have a good site for that) and it just hit me like a flash of lightning.  The Catholic Church IS the true Church, founded by Christ.  I didn't know anything more than I wanted to be a Catholic, so I looked up online the nearest Catholic Church (which was NO) and went there and told them I wanted to be a Catholic.  You should have seen the look on the NO priests face when I showed up and told them I wanted to convert  :laugh2:  It was like they didn't know what to do.
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    Since when is the Internet bad?
    « Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 07:16:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro

    Maybe the internet is bad since in it's early stages over 75% of the revenue came from pornography.

    In other words, the fertilizer was porn.
    Adult entertainment has driven other technologies too like media players.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2014, 01:03:49 AM »
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  • This is definitely the biggest issue online trads are the most liberal and silent on.

    Something doesn't have to be "intrinsically evil" for it to be condemned as evil. Pope Gregory XVI after all banned railways in the Papal States and called them "roads to hell". The internet is clearly 1000 times more evil than railways even without the impure websites. I pray to God that He will help me get off of it for good and I have confidence He will.

    Jєωs own and control Facebook, Yahoo, Ebay, Google, Wikipedia, Myspace, etc.
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life

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    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2014, 01:12:34 AM »
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  • Last post God willing! (nothing against this site, just the internet as a whole)

    www in Hebrew is 666. Look it up

    Don't delude yourself into thinking the internet isn't evil.
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life

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    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2014, 02:10:11 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    IMO, the internet isn't evil in and of itself.  It CAN be useful and even edifying to the faith. All depends upon how, why, how often ones uses it.  If your "friends" are mainly or exclusively strangers on social media, NO GOOD!  If you CAN'T be offline for more than a few minutes, YOU HAVE AN ADDICTION!  If you access porn or gambling or evil music, BAD NEWS!  But if you use it as a useful tool, what's the problem?  It can save time and money better spent on saving souls.  (Imagine if Fr. Pfeiffer had to physically drive to Louisville to buy all his plane tickets?  A 65 mile trip one-way!) I can correspond with friends on other continents via email.  Much cheaper than old-fashioned "long distance" telephone in the 1960s or writing snail mail letters!  I can purchase sewing supplies and have them delivered in half an hour.  It sure beats spending hours wandering around Manhattan and having to lug them back to Queens through the subways and busses.  
    Yes, there ARE products that appear nowhere on-line, knowledge not found on Google!  Certainly, real life experience can be had nowhere but in real life.  The internet and screen technology is VERY DETRIMENTAL to early childhood development.  Young children need real toys and objects, to play real games with real people, to experience the beautiful creation that God made.  I cringe when I see toddlers with i-phones and tablets because I know these children will grow up with programmed imaginations and the belief that they are masters of the self-created universe, accustomed to instant gratification.  
    Like many other inventions of man, the internet is just that, limited to man.  Its use must be towards Godly and useful ends, else put away lest it keep the soul from her Maker.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2014, 11:26:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: MarylandTrad

    www in Hebrew is 666.         Look it up.

    Don't delude yourself into thinking the internet isn't evil.



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    Good post Matthew.        

    Smack.                            HAHAHAHA

    Actually, can you find any post Matthew's made that ISN'T 'good'?



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    But what about the countless traditional Catholics who don't have problems with pornography?
     
    Huh?   Who's that?   Or, do you mean don't have problems GIVING IN to porn?  



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