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Speak for yourself, a real Catholic would not allow their daughter to participate in immoral activities like ballet. Catholic Saints and theologians were given to prove this point yet you ignored them, you couldn't even provide ONE pre-V2 theologian who agreed with you, you resorted to claims from some individuals you know, none of them were theologians before vatican 2.

You claim Catholics promote islamic ideas? Ridiculous! Even in the pagan world women covered their heads in public, Christians certainly did so as well following the example of the Blessed Virgin Marry. Are you going to say our Lady was promoting islamic ideas? Even before vatican 2 (but after 1900s feminism) most women still covered their heads in pubic.

In this very thread St Chrysostom was given "She does not mount up but rather falls from her own proper honor...so likewise the woman acquires not the man's dignity, but loses even the woman's decency which she had. And not from hence only is her shame and reproach, but also on account of her covetousness."

Clearly this great Catholic Saint understands that a women covering her head brings her proper honor and dignity, yet not doing so is loss of decency for the women, you foolishly call this islamic. A women trying to be like a men is a shame and reproach says the great Saint, and who are you to call it islamic? If it's islamic then the muslims honor their women better than you. If it's islamic what of the Blessed Virgin Mary and all the past Catholics? What of all the pagans whose women covered their heads?

Let's see here. You use terms like "mysoginistic, puritanical, incels", Catholics do not use these terms. All the ideas discussed are CATHOLIC and certainly not puritan let alone islamic. Yet you persist in your debasement of your soul and morals. Talking about these things is focusing on the faith. A Catholic women who covers her head in public is practising Mary-like modesty. Rejecting immodesty is CATHOLIC, rejecting sinful past times like ballet is CATHOLIC. Our Lord and Lady are certainly not happy with those who dress immodestly and make immodest movements for the sake of self-will and pleasure, especially those who claim to be Catholic, and especially those who bring their children up in sin, leading them straight in bad habits which destroy the soul!


I don't think you will be staying much longer as I don't think you are even Catholic let alone who you claim to be. Your claim about joining due to some random social media post I find suspect, it really doesn't seem that way, especially since you keep promoting that infiltrator Boru WHO WASN'T EVEN A WOMEN!

Could you give me an example?  I have been here for a little over 2 years and i have not seen one post directly speaking to what men should do (the only one that did that was maybe one i started my self) It is like he thinks his life will be a whole lot better if women change.  I take issue with that mentality because God only looks at you as an individual and how much you love God and follow His commandments.

The wearing hats thing was a custom until the 50s, then it went away.  I was born in the 70s, I didn't have that custom taught to me.  And I am now being told I am not a good Catholic because I don't cover my head.  I cover my head at Mass, I thought those quotes explained why I cover my head there.

And as for Muslims, it feels like to some of us women that if Muslim law came to our areas and we were required to wear a burka, certain men would be extremely happy with that. Don't you think that is extreme?

Head coverings for women are a result of the fashion and culture of the time, not a moral issue. Maybe men should wear a toga?
Or tights and an Elizabethan ruff? 😀

I have verified the identity of Boru as we exchanged emails.We have a mutual friend who knows her as she’s in Ireland.

Your comment here is an example of the ridiculous extremism that exists when groups leave the Catholic Church and become their own Pope. That isn’t to deny the crisis in the church but we must remain within it and in union with Rome.