It is my understanding that Democracy originated in Ancient Greece.  One of the famous greek philosophers said something like, democracy always leads to tyranny.  I think that might make sense, for the following reasons.

~people are more prone to vice than virtue

~it is easier to appeal to vice, than virtue

~to win a democratic election you must appeal to the will of the people

~democracy seems to lead to vice, for what appear to be, obvious reasons

~indulging vice, leads to a loss of self control

~order must be maintained

~tyranny (i.e. "a police state") provides order

I think the economy kind of works the same way.  The labor market's "race to the bottom" and advertiser's rationalization "sex sells."  Not to mention, usury.

Magdalena,

Thank you for posting this very interesting and thought provoking article.  I believe Catholic Monarchical government is the most efficacious means (and most likely to abide by Natural Law) to achieve man's end which is, of course, Heaven.

May God bring back the Catholic Monarchies!

Amen!

 

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I'm thinking back to a sociology prof I had who was an uber feminist. He would kill me if he knew I even asked this.   :scared2:

This is the problem we have here in this culture.....

So-called "men" in our Academic halls of influence considering themselves "feminists" and controlling the thought process of our younger generation.

I pray for the whole system to collapse someday.

That seems like a prayer that will get a big fat yes.  

They say, be careful what you wish for.  Without the order they provide, chaos will ensue (i.e. pirates hijacking ships off the coast of africa, areas without any police protection, no way of getting the state to enforce a contract, etc).  

From the book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization," I recall a story about a poet complaining, after the fall of the roman empire, that everything good was old.  For example, you couldn't find a decent new sword, because the means/skill to produce it, died with the roman empire.  

Oh, it's coming soon. When a culture begins to become throughly feminized and corrupt like ours has and like the Romans eventually did, another race or "culture" if you will, will step and take control like the Germanic Goths did because the uber-feminine, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, weak-kneed Roman ruling class didn't have the heart of fortitude to fight the barbarian anymore and the military just goes with whoever is running the show at that point.

This country as we know it is doomed, it's only an amount of time. I used to think it was a good 25 yrs away or not in my lifetime, but with everything that has transpired very quickly, especially with the Obamination in the WH who is actively doing his best with "change" and total usurpation of the foundation of the culture as we know it.

A brutal paramilitant force will hold the day with men of real backbone and moral integrity who are not really concerned with "offending" any segment of society, no matter what they feel they're entitiled to.

It took a  long time for Rome to collapse, I don't believe we will have to wait as long, these things in modern times move rather quickly.

What Alaric says above is "spot on."  But that also only emphasises that in our domestic lives as Catholics we shall always live at least AS IF we are living in a proper and happy hereditary monarchy.  Whatever the severe Catholic dictatorship our future will surely require, we need to keep the high moral perspective to know that HEREDITARY MONARCHY is ALWAYS our one and only IDEAL.

Which is to say:  VIVA CRISTO REY!

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I'm thinking back to a sociology prof I had who was an uber feminist. He would kill me if he knew I even asked this.   :scared2:

This is the problem we have here in this culture.....

So-called "men" in our Academic halls of influence considering themselves "feminists" and controlling the thought process of our younger generation.

I pray for the whole system to collapse someday.

That seems like a prayer that will get a big fat yes.  

They say, be careful what you wish for.  Without the order they provide, chaos will ensue (i.e. pirates hijacking ships off the coast of africa, areas without any police protection, no way of getting the state to enforce a contract, etc).  

From the book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization," I recall a story about a poet complaining, after the fall of the roman empire, that everything good was old.  For example, you couldn't find a decent new sword, because the means/skill to produce it, died with the roman empire.  

Oh, it's coming soon. When a culture begins to become throughly feminized and corrupt like ours has and like the Romans eventually did, another race or "culture" if you will, will step and take control like the Germanic Goths did because the uber-feminine, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, weak-kneed Roman ruling class didn't have the heart of fortitude to fight the barbarian anymore and the military just goes with whoever is running the show at that point.

This country as we know it is doomed, it's only an amount of time. I used to think it was a good 25 yrs away or not in my lifetime, but with everything that has transpired very quickly, especially with the Obamination in the WH who is actively doing his best with "change" and total usurpation of the foundation of the culture as we know it.

A brutal paramilitant force will hold the day with men of real backbone and moral integrity who are not really concerned with "offending" any segment of society, no matter what they feel they're entitiled to.

It took a  long time for Rome to collapse, I don't believe we will have to wait as long, these things in modern times move rather quickly.

We've certainly got a mess on our hands.  American whites seem pretty willing to take the losses.  So, I don't see cινιℓ ωαr/regime changing uprising  from that.  Although, I don't think going from obama to romney = regime change, but you might.  A lot of folks probably would.  On the other hand, I don't think there's much holding this country together anymore, but brute  force and money.  At least, that is rapidly becoming the case.  So, that's where I think the break is going to occur.  Obviously, the wealth of the country is being depleted.  So, the money won't last forever and that's what pays for the brute force (basically mercenary, I think.  I know our military and police are aggressively brainwashed, but so are kids and everybody seems pretty skeptical.  So, I don't think our rulers are winning the hearts and minds of the people.  Hence, they must buy or coerce "loyalty" and that's not a good sign for regime health. )  

I guess ruling people is always like that to a degree, but without a basically religiously and racially/ethnically homogenous group of people that seems pretty much dependent on raw power.  Although, maybe there's some mutual interest that will hold people together.  Still, personal ambition seems like it could mow that down.  

So, catholic monarchy sounds fine, but it should only include catholics and it would help if those people looked a lot like each other and spoke the same language.  Maybe a group of monarchs, under an emperor.  In other words, a racially, ethnically and religiously segregated civilization.  

But, I would think, whatever survives and provides order, will be in a position to rule america.  Unfortunately, the opportunity to choose the nature of it, may not be so great.  Sort of like after wwII, america was the only world power standing.  Or after the fall of the roman empire, the church provided order, but it was in a position to.  I assume it had armies and money/land and stuff, not just holy water and communion wafers.  

Anyway, I'm rambling.  Maybe some greater mind can set me on the right path.  

*i thought the sackers of rome were able to take rome, but not able to provide the order that the old empire had.  So, the empire sort of crumbled from within, which seems to be the case in america, particularly when you take a look at our poor, poor cities.  

Hell in our politics we resemble the Third Republic in their savagery and in our cultural life we resemble Weimar Germany with filth and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. And we have the nerve to talk about "the greatness of American values." We need a confessional, no an exorcist!

I think many need confessional and an exoricist

Before elections there generally are Voting Guides placed in the vestibule of the church.  You still must study & get as much info on the 'votees' as possible, but the Voting Guides has it all there in a nutshell.

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What Alaric says above is "spot on."  But that also only emphasises that in our domestic lives as Catholics we shall always live at least AS IF we are living in a proper and happy hereditary monarchy.  

Brother Francis,  this brings me back to the original question. Should people not vote/participate in the process of democracy?  

If so, where would someone like myself (a single woman) figure out who to vote for?

Dear Penitent Woman,

In my humble but well-educated opinion, some suggestions for our Catholic ladies concerning politics might include:  1)  Most of all, the ladies shouldn't themselves take politics altogether too seriously.  We men ENJOY a good fight now and then and often our political quarrels include much male excess energy in need of an outlet.  For laymen, applying such energies to Catholic politics is usually most admirable, but for Catholic women that would probably only be a waste of your own precious time.  In other words, Catholic women need to keep a good sense of humor when it comes to scrappy male politics.  VERY few of us men are anything like perfect!  (Lord knows...)

2)  Our Romanity includes the key idea of CITIZENSHIP.  Our more intelligent Catholic women therefore do have an important contribution to make to Catholic politics, or ROMAN politics.  But much the greatest contribution Catholic ladies could make to our politics would be to mightily support very SERIOUS Catholic education, including an intelligent teaching of our Roman Catholic political heritage.  For example, our schools ought to teach the writings of Dante Alighieri and our Holy Bible with attention to the political implications contained in those most crucial books, alongside the innumerable other strands of wisdom contained within them.  Receiving a political education well grounded in the Catholic Bible and Dante Alighieri would surely do more for our Catholic politics than anything else.

3)  In politics our Catholic ladies should know that the men have not been doing their military duties very well lately, so at present nothing remotely resembling any "democratic process" either does or reasonably could be expected to exist.  When we Catholic men are such an embarrassing mob of quivering lily-livered wonders, democracy can only be a distant memory from a long-vanished past.  In America the last genuine democratic politics died with President Garfield back in 1881 and since then America has gone through the usual process of oligarchy, dictatorship and tyranny as outlined by Plato.  To participate in the American democratic process we would have to leap into our time machines and go back and bravely fight for the Confederacy.  But it's a bit late for that now...

4)  Given that educated Catholics must deny the existence of contemporary political democracy, the actual purpose of our political organizations is above all to influence the military and help create a Catholic military leadership that would behave themselves like Catholic men and apply military force appropriately (VIRTUOUSLY!).  We Catholics have practically never risen to power through electoral politics, but almost always through influencing and forming elites in the most important cities that in turn come to power due to their awesome spiritual and natural superiority over everyone else.  For example:  Augustus, Vespasian, Constantine, Charlemagne, the Ottonian Emperors, the Hohenstauffen Emperors, the Hapsburg Emperors, the Napoleonic Emperors and the more recent German Reichs.  (In politics the late German Emperor Wilhelm II was a great and totally loyal Catholic Emperor in everything but name, as much earlier were the Old Testament Catholic Augustus Caesar and the private Catholic Vespasian.)

So good Catholic ladies should support our Catholic politics especially by strongly supporting high-quality Catholic education and our incomparable Roman civilization.  And good Catholic manners are also a truly important example that only Catholic ladies can effectively achieve for all of us.  (Our Catholic laymen need to be much too busy breaking heads to have any sufficient time for that!)

5)  Voting for the lesser of unspeakable evils (to mention the names of Obama or Romney is to grab desperately for our "vomit bags") is practically irrelevant to our Catholic politics.  Only Catholic ladies can have the opportunity and ability to do the hardest work to uphold our Catholic EDUCATION and CIVILIZATION and it is through making those singular contributions that you can and should undergird our Catholic politics and all the sometimes foolish male sport that forms it.

In brief, to have a Catholic politics we require Catholic NATIONS.  What can our good Catholic ladies contribute to the formation of genuine real-life Catholic national leaderships?  THAT is the Catholic women's politics that we are in GREAT need of in our time.  Our only serious politics today must be Catholic Nationalism, which was once also referred to as "Catholic Imperialism."  Our polltics are simply our Romanity applied to the public life of this dark and fallen world.  

That politics can also be summed up as in essence simply another name for ROMAN IMPERIALISM.  Everything good Catholic ladies can truly do to further that most noble goal is the one and only true Catholic politics for you.


Your unworthy and devoted Franciscan friend,

Brother Francis  

P.S.:  Vote if you wish, but we are now living in another "Dark Age of King Arthur."  We live in an Age of Heroes that is now far gone beyond any possible solution by mere rigged voting machines...