Author Topic: Should women be allowed to vote? (Read 8272 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:02:00 PM »

The present system has to be consigned to the fire so I'm not clear who the women are obliged to vote for.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:03:55 PM »

Quote from: Nylndech

men shouldnt vote either

ideal govent is catholic monarchy

:cheers:

Antony · « **Reply #17 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:16:06 PM »

"Should women be allowed to vote?" A better question is "should anyone be allowed to vote?"

magdalena · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2012, 09:29:40 PM »

Antony,
I take it you, like Captain McQuigg, are a Monarchist. I know that I tend to lean that way. Could you elaborate on your comment?

magdalena · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2012, 10:41:26 PM »

BTW, Dante Alighieri's "Divine Comedy", "Convivio" and "de Monarchia" all speak on this subject matter. You can get the "Convivio" and "Monarchia" on-line. Here are the links:

http://dante.ilt.columbia.edu/books/convivi/convivio.html

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2196&chapter=203184&layout=html&Itemid=27

Antony · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:06:00 PM »

Quote from: magdalena

Antony,
I take it you, like Captain McQuigg, are a Monarchist. I know that I tend to lean that way. Could you elaborate on your comment?

Well, as far as being a monarchist, that I am. Could I elaborate on it? Well, yes. But I am afraid you won't get much out of it. But I will write some ideas for you that you can take or leave. They will probaly be all over the place.

First off, look at the people who vote in this country. Most of them are uneducated in the school of reality. Most people get all of their info from the tv, internet, liberal press, etc. It is a rare thing for the American populice to have an original idea that did not come from the media in one way or another. For an example of this, look who got elected in the last election. Not that McCain was much better.

As far as democracy in general, I think it is a joke. I guess this is the same as my first point, as people who vote are not all on the same page. There are those who are in accordance with reality and will vote accordingly if there is a proper canidate. And then there are those who are not in reality and will vote whatever way their passions lead them.

What you need is a monarch ( a monarch who is just and fair and will implement the right sort of governing system) so that he can make decisions in accordance with what Our Lord Jesus Christ would want. If we had a monarch like this, we would live in a just society with the proper order of things, starting with the spiritual and then leading down to the natural. If this just king had opposition( such as people voting for this, that and the other thing) then he would be limited by what he could legislate and then carry out.

As we can now see, people need to be led. People by their very nature are fallen and most of mankind is not living in accordance with the will of God. Therefore, we get societies like America where we murder our children daily by abortion. The king would work with the Pope, (of course the Pope is the Supreme Pontiff on earth and has no superior) and one would run the spiritual and the other would run the temporal. And of course, they would do this not under the hindrance of the seperation of Church and State.

Well, I didn't really exhaust the case for monarchy, but I tried my best. God bless.

Antony · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:16:55 PM »

Sorry, I dont know how the above happened.

magdalena · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:18:12 PM »

Antony,
That's where I come from as well. When there was a Holy Roman Emperor, that basically accomplished the same thing--the temporal and the spiritual. And, of course, holy Catholic kings are of prime importance. BTW, there is a better link for the "Convivio" for those interested--just in case the other one doesn't come out well for reading.

http://www.naderlibrary.com/cult.danteconvivio.htm

It looks like this link may also offer "de Monarchia". Very fine!

magdalena · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:24:16 PM »

Quote from: Antony

Sorry, I dont know how the above happened.

No worries. Thanks! :reading:

magdalena · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:30:50 PM »

Catholic Monarchy

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #25 on:** July 27, 2012, 08:02:23 AM »

Adesto has already answered the original question:

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In the present circuмstances, it is a strict obligation for all those who
have the right to vote, men and women, to take part in the elections.

Yes, ideally, we should be living under a Catholic monarchy. But until this happens, we are obligated, both men and women, to use our power of vote to choose the 'most Catholic' candidate, law, etc. of the choices given us.

alaric · « **Reply #26 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:52:34 AM »

Quote from: PenitentWoman

I'm thinking back to a sociology prof I had who was an uber feminist. He would kill me if he knew I even asked this. :scared2:

This is the problem we have here in this culture.....

So-called "men" in our Academic halls of influence considering themselves "feminists" and controlling the thought process of our younger generation.

I pray for the whole system to collapse someday.

Marcelino · « **Reply #27 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:28:33 PM »

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: PenitentWoman
I'm thinking back to a sociology prof I had who was an uber feminist. He would kill me if he knew I even asked this. :scared2:
This is the problem we have here in this culture.....

So-called "men" in our Academic halls of influence considering themselves "feminists" and controlling the thought process of our younger generation.

I pray for the whole system to collapse someday.

That seems like a prayer that will get a big fat yes.

They say, be careful what you wish for. Without the order they provide, chaos will ensue (i.e. pirates hijacking ships off the coast of africa, areas without any police protection, no way of getting the state to enforce a contract, etc).

From the book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization," I recall a story about a poet complaining, after the fall of the roman empire, that everything good was old. For example, you couldn't find a decent new sword, because the means/skill to produce it, died with the roman empire.

Marcelino · « **Reply #28 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:53:37 PM »

It is my understanding that Democracy originated in Ancient Greece. One of the famous greek philosophers said something like, democracy always leads to tyranny. I think that might make sense, for the following reasons.

~people are more prone to vice than virtue

~it is easier to appeal to vice, than virtue

~to win a democratic election you must appeal to the will of the people

~democracy seems to lead to vice, for what appear to be, obvious reasons

~indulging vice, leads to a loss of self control

~order must be maintained

~tyranny (i.e. "a police state") provides order

JohnGrey · « **Reply #29 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:08:16 PM »

I subscribe to Catholic monarchism as well, and I consider democracy to be the single greatest threat to social reign of Christ the King that has ever existed. Among my favorite quotes regarding democracy, which I've posted before, comes from the Anti-Federalist papers:

Quote from: Centinel XII

That investigation into the nature and construction of the new constitution, which the conspirators have so long and zealously struggled against, has, notwithstanding their partial success, so far taken place as to ascertain the enormity of their criminality. That system which was pompously displayed as the perfection of government, proves upon examination to be the most odious system of tyranny that was ever projected, a many headed hydra of despotism, whose complicated and various evils would be infinitely more oppressive and afflictive than the scourge of any single tyrant: the objects of dominion would be tortured to gratify the calls of ambition and cravings of power, of rival despots contending for the sceptre of superiority; the devoted people would experience a distraction of misery.