[AMDGJMJ]

Quote from: epiphany on Yesterday at 03:26:10 PMUnfortunately I don't have the resources or venue to create a proper YAG from scratch by myself, BUT I would be more than happy to lend a hand with others to help make an event like this happen. I am a single (never married) man in early 30's, and am looking to meet like-minded traditional Catholics as well with the ultimate goal of marriage (God willing), so I would definitely want to attend one of these events as well as assisting. :)

I think the reason there aren't as many traditional Catholic hardline YAGs (non Indult) is because of the work in organizing them and also the time and money involved.  

For example:
If we tried to organize one for the fall...
 
How many people would be interested and willing to help? 

How many people are willing to travel for such an event? 

I have never actually been to a traditional Catholic YAG so I am not sure how people arrange meals or hotels.  Has anyone here ever been to one?

[2Vermont]

A bit of a story for you... many of you already know that Matthew and I met on CatholicMatch.com. However, my motivation for joining that site was NOT to find a spouse. I was looking for places online to discuss Catholic topics with other Catholics and only paying members had access to the site's FORUM, yes FORUM. I don't recall if I saw Matthew on that forum or was just browsing profiles, but I do know that I didn't reach out to him for a date or anything of that sort, I simply wanted to know what the "SSPX" mentioned in his description stood for.

As did my husband and I [I think....when it was straphael.net before Catholic Match, I believe].  I was also interested in the forum there, but I think I did both the forum AND look for a spouse at the same time].  Luckily for us, however, we were both NO at the time which made finding each other easier [and the fact that we were willing to meet someone hundreds of miles away].  We both found Tradition after we were married.

[2Vermont]

I fully agree with this; available Catholic dating sites practically never have anyone seriously interested in the TLM, even if there is a "latin mass" search filter.  In the rare event that someone does attend the Latin mass on those sites, 95% of the time they subscribe to Vatican II theology, are moderate or liberal politically, and also attend diocesan Novus Ordo in addition to the "extraordinary form" as they call it.

There used to be "SSPX singles" and "Sedvecantist singles" dating sites, but those have since been taken down.

The hard truth is that there are many young Catholic singles in their 20's and 30's, who are seeking marriage with good intentions, but simply cannot find anyone purely due to chapel demographics (not many other young people in a given chapel), and geographical location (small chapels scattered far and wide across the country, sometimes in remote rural areas). Long-distance dating, while it has its challenges, is often the only option to get to know people, unless you have the resources for endless travel or staying long-term in a larger Trad community.

There's got to be a way to solve this problem and bring together traditional-minded people who seriously want to pursue Catholic marriage. Yes, dedicated TLM dating websites (or better yet, more opportunities to meet people in person such as appropriately supervised YAGs, collaborative celebrations of feast days between different chapels etc.) would probably be the best options. However, there doesn't appear to be any sign of a TLM dating website or other YAG-type events being organized in the future. it can take a lot of of time and energy to get these started, and if it is an in-person event you need the money and space to make it happen. So, until someone finally has the ability to start one of these options from scratch, perhaps a properly regulated online forum or subforum would still be better than nothing. 

I found my husband when we were both NO, and I thank God for that.  Trying to find a pre-Vatican II Catholic is so difficult...as you say, even for younger folk.  Imagine what it's like for those who are in their 40's.

[Philothea3]

I think the reason there aren't as many traditional Catholic hardline YAGs (non Indult) is because of the work in organizing them and also the time and money involved. 

For example:
If we tried to organize one for the fall...
 
How many people would be interested and willing to help? 

How many people are willing to travel for such an event? 

I have never actually been to a traditional Catholic YAG so I am not sure how people arrange meals or hotels.  Has anyone here ever been to one?

I think YAG only works for people that live relatively close by... Otherwise it's too much planning. Unless it becomes BIG and can be announced like months ago before it happens, maybe like a real Cathinfo meet-up/ YAG, that'll be epic haha.

[Philothea3]

Here are a couple examples (all figurative ):


I am a 28 year old single gentleman.  I have never been married.  I attend a Resistance chapel in Connecticut.  I am private family doctor.  Some of my hobbies are that I like to hunt and fish in my free time.


I am a 23 year old single lady.  I have never been married.  I attend Mass at an SSPX chapel in Louisiana.  I am cautious as to the new priests coming in who are not conditionally ordained.  I would prefer a better Mass option but nothing is available in my area.  I have skill in cooking, mend my own clothes, and have worked with homeschooling and tutoring children.  Some of my hobbies are reading, gardening, and hiking.

Perhaps the married people on CI can come up with a template pf questions for us singles to fill out so that'll be more organized! 

[Philothea3]

I fully agree with this; available Catholic dating sites practically never have anyone seriously interested in the TLM, even if there is a "latin mass" search filter.  In the rare event that someone does attend the Latin mass on those sites, 95% of the time they subscribe to Vatican II theology, are moderate or liberal politically, and also attend diocesan Novus Ordo in addition to the "extraordinary form" as they call it.

There used to be "SSPX singles" and "Sedvecantist singles" dating sites, but those have since been taken down.

The hard truth is that there are many young Catholic singles in their 20's and 30's, who are seeking marriage with good intentions, but simply cannot find anyone purely due to chapel demographics (not many other young people in a given chapel), and geographical location (small chapels scattered far and wide across the country, sometimes in remote rural areas). Long-distance dating, while it has its challenges, is often the only option to get to know people, unless you have the resources for endless travel or staying long-term in a larger Trad community.

There's got to be a way to solve this problem and bring together traditional-minded people who seriously want to pursue Catholic marriage. Yes, dedicated TLM dating websites (or better yet, more opportunities to meet people in person such as appropriately supervised YAGs, collaborative celebrations of feast days between different chapels etc.) would probably be the best options. However, there doesn't appear to be any sign of a TLM dating website or other YAG-type events being organized in the future. it can take a lot of of time and energy to get these started, and if it is an in-person event you need the money and space to make it happen. So, until someone finally has the ability to start one of these options from scratch, perhaps a properly regulated online forum or subforum would still be better than nothing. 

To confirm this I want to share my recent experience. There's almost nobody I could possibly court in my chapel. My last relationship was with someone I met on catholicmatch and he appeared to be perfectly traditional in many aspects, politically and even regarding to V2 and we share lots of things in common, but he goes to indult and would never leave. Then we spent most time in our relationship trying to figure this out, with me trying to convince him that there's issue with validity, and at the end it was over because he simply would not leave his parish. As I browse through the website again, most gentlemen are exactly like that, either N.O. or indult, so for our fellow catholics that visit CI here that have better understanding of the current crisis, it's a pure waste of time.

[bodeens]

To confirm this I want to share my recent experience. There's almost nobody I could possibly court in my chapel. My last relationship was with someone I met on catholicmatch and he appeared to be perfectly traditional in many aspects, politically and even regarding to V2 and we share lots of things in common, but he goes to indult and would never leave. Then we spent most time in our relationship trying to figure this out, with me trying to convince him that there's issue with validity, and at the end it was over because he simply would not leave his parish. As I browse through the website again, most gentlemen are exactly like that, either N.O. or indult, so for our fellow catholics that visit CI here that have better understanding of the current crisis, it's a pure waste of time.

Hansel, philothea3... Looks like you two need to PM!! May God's will be done 

[bodeens]

Absolutely agreed!  I am also a "sedeprivationist" or "private sede" but in my opinion the only criterias that should be essential for a traditional Catholic YAG are that the young people should all completely avoid the novus ordo sacraments and be hardline traditional Catholics.  Meaning, they should care and make a point to only attend the Latin Mass and receive Sacraments from valid traditionally ordained and consecrated clergy who are not guilty of pernicious heresy.

Agreed on all points!! I think anyone going here can agree to these criteria!!

I know we have priests lurking here... How about one or multiple of them contact AMDGJMJ via PM and get this started!!

[AMDGJMJ]

Agreed on all points!! I think anyone going here can agree to these criteria!!

I know we have priests lurking here... How about one or multiple of them contact AMDGJMJ via PM and get this started!!

My husband and I have talked it over the past couple of days and have tentatively reserved a recreation center for a YAG event for the weekend after Thanksgiving.  The location is about 70 miles from Washington, D.C. and a little over an hour from Saint Athanasius Chapel.

We will have to bring our two little stow-aways with us this time, but if this YAG event goes well we may be able to find someone to watch them for a future more formal YAG event.

More info will shared on the specific YAG Meet-up thread.  Please keep an eye out for that.

[Matthew]

I think that allowing married couples also to help monitor and give advice might help keep some of the weirdos more at bay...  I know a lot of traditional Catholic married people helped me in that regard back when I was trying to determine how to know what people I could trust online to later talk to privately.  😅

The hypothetical married people would have to A) have enough time, not super busy raising a natural-sized family, and B) at a place where there's LESS risk of getting involved with a young single person.

Both of these points suggest that any married persons involved should be in their late 50's at the youngest. You need time, and time is in short supply when you have "kids under 5" in the house. And the married persons would have to be grandfather/matronly figures, so that the young people wouldn't be too attracted to them on a natural level. There's no way to bring the risk to 0 on this heading, only to minimize and limit the risk.

But remember, there is such a thing as risking for a good cause. Even one's very life can be risked for a just cause. Back in the day, most babies were delivered by midwives but whenever there were complications, they called in a "doctor" who was invariably male to perform a C-section, for example. And to this day, doctors are exposed to temptations that most men are not. The same is true, to a lesser degree, of many other professions that closely work with the public. (Think: A/C repairmen. Going to peoples' homes, often while the wife is there alone and the husband is at work...) That's why Catholic doctrine distinguishes between NECESSARY and UNNECESSARY occasions of sin.

[AMDGJMJ]

The hypothetical married people would have to A) have enough time, not super busy raising a natural-sized family, and B) at a place where there's LESS risk of getting involved with a young single person.

Both of these points suggest that any married persons involved should be in their late 50's at the youngest. You need time, and time is in short supply when you have "kids under 5" in the house. And the married persons would have to be grandfather/matronly figures, so that the young people wouldn't be too attracted to them on a natural level. There's no way to bring the risk to 0 on this heading, only to minimize and limit the risk.

But remember, there is such a thing as risking for a good cause. Even one's very life can be risked for a just cause. Back in the day, most babies were delivered by midwives but whenever there were complications, they called in a "doctor" who was invariably male to perform a C-section, for example. And to this day, doctors are exposed to temptations that most men are not. The same is true, to a lesser degree, of many other professions that closely work with the public. (Think: A/C repairmen. Going to peoples' homes, often while the wife is there alone and the husband is at work...) That's why Catholic doctrine distinguishes between NECESSARY and UNNECESSARY occasions of sin.

All you say is absolutely true. 

It would certainly be better if someone older than me and my husband hosted any such traditional Catholic YAG events, but no one else seems to be willing or able to do it at this time. 

We are praying daily for God's will to be done in regards to this event and hope that eventually some older couples can take over hosting such events as these.

Omnia ad majorem Dei Gloriam!