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Offline Alex

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Should I, or shouldn't I?
« on: October 14, 2009, 04:17:04 AM »
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  • My brother just got engaged to his girlfriend. I was happy for him until I found out that he is not planning to get married in the Church but have a civil ceremony only. My brother is a non-practicing Catholic and his fiance is a non-practicing Muslim (I believe). I told him that God would not recognize the marriage and that, therefore, I could not recognize the marriage either.

    2 Questions:

    1) Should I refuse to attend his wedding? If I do refuse to attend, it would cause serious friction between me and him (he might even not speak to me again for all I know). My parents would also be very upset at me.

    2) If the answer is "do not attend the wedding", then should I at least attend the reception. Wouldn't it be still condoning his sinful action by being present at a function that celebrates the "wedding" that just took place.

    My heart tells me that I should not attend the civil wedding, (but I just wanted people's opinions to make sure). Attending the reception I am unsure about.


    Offline Vladimir

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    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 06:26:14 AM »
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  • I would attend neither. This is like when a certain man in Asia was brought to court for being Catholic and they tried to persuade him to apostatize. When he refused, they said something like "Don't you love your wife and children?" and threatened to kill them if he wouldn't apostatize. The man said, because I love them, I will be a good example for them and not abandon my religion. (This is just a summary of an account that I read -- you can read it in "The New Glories of the Catholic Church") I think that you can apply this example to this situation.

    Don't just take my advice though, do what you think is right.




    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 08:55:11 AM »
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  • Tough questions-luckily, I am only child,but....you do not want to participate in sin and/or sham, but at same time, you do not want to slam door in face of possible conversion down the road by behaviors...cannot work to convert if no one sees or talks to one another or argues....

    Find way maybe to skip the "wedding", but attend reception, get them a gift and pray,pray..work on getting foot in door to convert....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

    Offline Matthew

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    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 09:30:09 AM »
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  • It's a difficult situation, Alex -- and I always hate to give hard answers.

    I think the "standard" for what a Catholic should attend is: "Is this marriage even valid?"

    I think it's one of those things where you should go out of your way to be charitable to him (and his "wife"), but gracefully not attend the wedding. I think you know what I mean. There need be no fireworks; you can be calm and cheerful the whole time.

    If you don't attend the wedding, yet you don't yell, argue, etc. but on the other hand are very charitable to them -- it will be the most you can do to make them stop and think. By acting like a saint in this way, they won't be able to easily pigeonhole you.

    My wife and I already agreed that we won't be attending any "second marriages" of any friends or family. That's our cutoff. We've been to several Lutheran weddings (college friends of my wife, and one sibling of hers), but they were a first wedding for the parties involved.

    I mean, those people are non-Catholic (or fallen-away Catholic), so they objectively commit a mortal sin every Sunday by not attending Mass -- but do they commit a mortal sin subjectively? Do they realize their obligation before God, and that only the Catholic Church can save them from Hell? Only God knows.

    I think a Catholic's goal should be "How can I make the maximum good impression of what Catholicism is all about." and, of course, it goes without saying that EVERYONE should think of Catholicism when they think of you. If they don't, you have a bigger problem.

    We have relatives that know instinctively that inviting my family to dinner on Friday means they need to have seafood or vegetarian fare on the menu. And I bet if anyone asked many of our relatives about us and birth control, I'm sure most of them could answer confidently that, "Oh, they're Catholic...I mean really Catholic...they don't touch the stuff."

    I think that's a very good thing. It can be uncomfortable to be different, but it's worth it when you know you're doing your job to witness to the truth.

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    Offline MrsZ

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    « Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 05:32:26 PM »
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  • These situations make me so nervous and tense.  

    If you have told your brother about your reservations based on the teachings of the Catholic Church, and he has persisted in maintaining his plans for a civil ceremony, I would then say politely that you respect his right to make this decision, but that you cannot attend the ceremony.  

    I don't know about the reception!  Coming to the party is still part of the whole festivity of celebrating the fact that your brother has taken (what used to be understood as) a concubine into his household!

    We're in perilous times these days.  

    It used to be that the non religious people wouldn't dream of putting a religious person in the position that many of us find ourselves regularly.  They wouldn't even ask.

    God Bless





    Offline MaterDominici

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    « Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 06:47:53 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, it's most difficult when you're the sole person who objects to the union.

    I've seen situations where the family is predominately Catholic, so the person wishing to marry outside the church (or make other similar non-Catholic decisions) pretty much understands that doing so isn't going to meet with family approval. For example, one individual got married out of state so her family wouldn't have to bother telling her they wouldn't be there.

    If you don't attend the wedding, I wouldn't attend the reception either. In fact, I think if I were choosing one just to maintain peace within the family, I would attend the ceremony and skip the reception because it is a celebration of the "wedding".
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 01:55:23 AM »
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  • Thank you everyone.

    I think I will not attend the wedding nor the reception.

    Offline Alex

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    « Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 01:57:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Uriel
    Vlad....attend your brother's wedding!!! Sure it might not a trad Catholic wedding but it is your brother of God's sake. Don't make enemies with him and his new wife? Help them celebrate their new life together. Let then see that you care...

    I say go to the wedding and give both a big hug. Later on, if you so desire, you can try to convert them.  


    "Help them celebrate their new life together" ? You mean their new life of concubinage? Are you even Catholic?


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    « Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 03:12:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Uriel
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    Quote from: Uriel
    Vlad....attend your brother's wedding!!! Sure it might not a trad Catholic wedding but it is your brother of God's sake. Don't make enemies with him and his new wife? Help them celebrate their new life together. Let then see that you care...

    I say go to the wedding and give both a big hug. Later on, if you so desire, you can try to convert them.  


    "Help them celebrate their new life together" ? You mean their new life of concubinage? Are you even Catholic?



    It is you brother and you need to be there for him and his wife to be. Do not let being a Catholic subject you to wronging your own flesh and blood. I am sure God will not damn you to a hell for being there for your family!?!?!?! Let me guess, you probably feel the food served, at reception, comes from the devil because a trad Catholic will not make/serve it?

    Attend the wedding and wish them well. Then later on, if so desire, you can try to convert them.

    If all else fails then pray real hard and ask God to give you a sign telling you NOT to go. If no sign appears...then attend the wedding.

    Whatever you do just do it. If the Holy Spirit was really active within you then you might not of needed come on these forums and ask mere stupid mortals for the answer.

    It is your family...screw them over if you want.


    I like the story Vladimir cited - to die rather than condone the sin of a family member.