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Offline MaterDominici

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Shortage of single Trad women?
« on: July 14, 2011, 02:07:31 AM »
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  • As requested, here are my theories. Call me nuts if you'd like.  :smile:

    Young Trads stem from two sources, those who've "grown up Trad" and those who convert as they reach adulthood, say between ages 15 and 25.

    Now, I'd guess the "grown up Trad" group is probably pretty equal in men vs. women even if it might not seem to be so in any specific location. However, the convert group I would imagine is almost entirely male.

    I think when looking at things relating to the natural law, it's much easier for a man to move into Traditional Catholicism from whatever else than for a woman to do so. The woman has to rewrite much more of what she's been taught to be normal and her day-to-day life would see much more change in the process than the man's. She has to be willing to rewrite what she thinks it means to be a successful woman whereas for the man it might be more of a fine tuning.

    I also think a young woman would be much less likely to be the rebel "lone Trad" in her family. It's more in a man's nature to do such a thing.
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 02:13:15 AM »
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  • Somewhat related to that, converts tend to be more zealous than cradle-(Trad) Catholics. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but for the young lady whose grown up in a Trad family, that zeal might be a turn-off.
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 08:41:59 AM »
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  • I hope some single women join in.

    We have a new group every year since we have a High School, with new graduates each year, but some of them get paired off in school.  Not all, however, many singles meet each other at the conference held in October at the Mount.  

    I wonder now, would a sede and SSPX be considered a mixed marriage?
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 09:18:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    I hope some single women join in.

    We have a new group every year since we have a High School, with new graduates each year, but some of them get paired off in school.  Not all, however, many singles meet each other at the conference held in October at the Mount.  

    I wonder now, would a sede and SSPX be considered a mixed marriage?


    Well... No. Both are of the same religion but both share different opinions on whether or not the Pope is validly the Pope. Unless one of them was excommunicated, it could not be a mixed marriage. (Even then, why would any priest marry a Catholic to an excommunicant?) Any who are (validly) excommunicated are not to be considered Catholic. You cannot be Catholic without being inside of the Church.
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 10:02:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    I hope some single women join in.

    We have a new group every year since we have a High School, with new graduates each year, but some of them get paired off in school.  Not all, however, many singles meet each other at the conference held in October at the Mount.  

    I wonder now, would a sede and SSPX be considered a mixed marriage?


    As Daegus said, it wouldn't be considered a mixed marriage.

    I'd be willing to date a sede Traditional Catholic girl myself, but that might not work out considering some sedes are anti-SSPX. I'm just trying to find a Traditional Catholic girl for the time being.
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 10:40:55 AM »
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  • Hmmmm, now that I think about it, the girls at the Mount graduating always outnumber the boys.  
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 11:37:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    I hope some single women join in.

    We have a new group every year since we have a High School, with new graduates each year, but some of them get paired off in school.  Not all, however, many singles meet each other at the conference held in October at the Mount.  

    I wonder now, would a sede and SSPX be considered a mixed marriage?


    I don't know, depends on whether you consider Sedevacantists to be Catholic...

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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 11:43:17 AM »
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  • I agree with MaterDominici. I have known mostly of male converts. It is rare when I find out that a girl has become a traditional Cathlolic or even go with the SSPX. Many girls tend to follow what their follow what their families have practiced. Traditionalists are also spread out, and that probably accounts for why it may seem like there is a lack in numbers of single traditional Catholic women.
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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 12:32:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    I hope some single women join in.

    We have a new group every year since we have a High School, with new graduates each year, but some of them get paired off in school.  Not all, however, many singles meet each other at the conference held in October at the Mount.  

    I wonder now, would a sede and SSPX be considered a mixed marriage?


    I don't know, depends on whether you consider Sedevacantists to be Catholic...

    Hey, you started it.


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    Shortage of single Trad women?
    « Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 02:44:10 PM »
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  • As I said in another thread, confirmed by Myrna here, there seem to be more single females at CMRI.

    MaterDominici said:  
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    Now, I'd guess the "grown up Trad" group is probably pretty equal in men vs. women even if it might not seem to be so in any specific location. However, the convert group I would imagine is almost entirely male.


    At my chapel a 16-year old girl just converted.  Her friend from high school is one of the girls from our chapel, who brought her in, and she seems to be ultra-zealous.  We also have another convert who is female, who I believe to have once been on this site :)  We had a mother and daughter conversion also.  When I say "conversion" I include from the Novus Ordo.  We have two apparently single Jєωιѕн women who are converts, à la JayneK.  

    I don't see any evidence that more men convert from women -- in my experience it's the opposite.  Women have a natural gentleness that makes them attracted to the flowers and incense and ceremony of the Church.  Didn't Mary tell St. Bernardette that "No one comes to church anymore but old women," something like that?  A surplus of young men is definitely NOT the problem.  We need WAY more young men.

    I think you're basing that on the number of vociferous single young men on the site.  But "reality" is markedly different.  Perhaps the women just don't like to post long screeds on the Internet.

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    I think when looking at things relating to the natural law, it's much easier for a man to move into Traditional Catholicism from whatever else than for a woman to do so. The woman has to rewrite much more of what she's been taught to be normal and her day-to-day life would see much more change in the process than the man's. She has to be willing to rewrite what she thinks it means to be a successful woman whereas for the man it might be more of a fine tuning.


    Excuses excuses.  I'm glad you ascribe HUMILITY mainly to males -- since that's what you're talking about -- but I'm not sure it works like that.  

    I do agree that those who grew up trads are not as zealous as converts, generally speaking.  I often feel a great distance from the trad families, because sometimes it feels like the church is more of a social club for them, like at my chapel the younger people stage musicals ( not in the church itself, mind you ) and so on.  This kind of activity could not be further removed from my apocalyptic frame of mind, though I do realize that life goes on, you can't just stop playing sports, having barbecues, doing normal things, etc.  
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    « Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 03:03:34 PM »
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  • This is a good thread.

    In fact, I think I'll marry the person who started it.

    Done!

    Seriously, though, I enjoy a thread that isn't cut-and-dried, where I learn something, add to (broaden) my own perspective, etc.

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    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 03:06:15 PM »
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  • Raoul has a point, that

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    « Reply #12 on: July 14, 2011, 03:17:12 PM »
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    I don't see any evidence that more men convert from women -- in my experience it's the opposite.


    Well, you ARE in L.A...  :laugh2:
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    « Reply #13 on: July 14, 2011, 03:20:32 PM »
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  • I believe children growing up within a trad family, tend to take their faith for granted since they have not experienced anything else for the most part, which is why some of them stray after they reach adulthood.  What they need is their own personal conversion and that happens sometime when they are young or after they made a few mistakes in life. (sin)

    Those who are converting from the world, know the treasure they have found and want everyone else to find it too.  (Zeal for souls)

    Which is why, you younger people raising youngsters should pray and make many sacrifices for them, do penance and don't take it for granted that they will always be where you want them to be.  Most of the time they will go out and see for themselves what the world has to offer.  If they do, pray they will return quickly as the prodigal son has, repentant and converted.  

    Pray you marry whoever God's Will for you to marry.  I have seen trad Catholics marry each other and both fell away, also I have seen a mixed marriage work to the conversion of the un-believer.

     

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    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2011, 03:30:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    I don't see any evidence that more men convert from women -- in my experience it's the opposite.


    Well, you ARE in L.A...  :laugh2:


    Yeah...

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