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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: josefamenendez on August 25, 2022, 06:49:39 PM
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To be honest, I didn't watch this entire video with "Bishop" Barron, just the first few minutes. I was laughing too hard. (Just want to know who the casting director is)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxKG4mR3U4
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Apparently, he converted to the Faith. He's been experiencing some personal and criminal troubles, but if this grounds him and leads him to the Cross, then all the better.
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Movies and tv must be hurting really bad. They want to get Catholic viewership back badly. They have lost money.
(Barron is false teacher).
I might be tempted to see “ I heard the bells on Christmas Day.
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Apparently, he converted to the Faith. He's been experiencing some personal and criminal troubles, but if this grounds him and leads him to the Cross, then all the better.
Seriously? I didn't know that- I just remember his bizarre antics a few years back. Still, I think playing Padre Pio may be a bit of an overreach. Pray he has a sincere conversion.
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I'll watch it. I'm sure they'll have modernist themes in it, like the Fatima flick (which wasn't terrible). But, the more people learn about Padre Pio, the better.
Here's an image of him from the film as the saintly stigmatist
(https://i3.wp.com/variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Collage-Maker-28-Jul-2022-08.51-AM.jpg)
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https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/shia-labeouf-converts-to-catholicism-after-padre-pio-movie/
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Apparently, he converted to the Faith. He's been experiencing some personal and criminal troubles, but if this grounds him and leads him to the Cross, then all the better.
That's wonderful news, especially since he's an ethnic Jєω. Let's pray that he finds his way to the Traditional Catholic Faith. He's already a step in the right direction taking on the role of Padre Pio, as well as this from Minnesota's article above:
LaBeouf told Barron that the traditional form of the Catholic mass — celebrated in Latin — was key in both his conversion and his performance as an actor playing Pio.
I'll add him to my intentions.
Clip from the film, already a bit let down. There's some foul language at the end
https://youtu.be/OIIwpxhXeeM
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I'm actually listening to the video- what a wonderful surprise. I'm sorry I put Shia up to ridicule- my bad. He is as sincere as anything.
God bless him.
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That's wonderful news, especially since he's an ethnic Jєω. Let's pray that he finds his way to the Traditional Catholic Faith. He's already a step in the right direction taking on the role of Padre Pio, as well as this from Minnesota's article above:
I'll add him to my intentions.
Clip from the film, already a bit let down. There's some foul language at the end
https://youtu.be/OIIwpxhXeeM
I hope it becomes sincere, if not now, then at some point in his life. As an ethnic jew involved with Hollywood, let's just say history doesn't portend well in terms of credibility, but it isn't my place to determine such things. Converting yet continuing to working in Hollywood is like a prostitute converting but continuing to work at a brothel.
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I hope it becomes sincere, if not now, then at some point in his life. As an ethnic Jєω involved with Hollywood, let's just say history doesn't portend well in terms of credibility, but it isn't my place to determine such things. Converting yet continuing to working in Hollywood is like a prostitute converting but continuing to work at a brothel.
I'm pretty sure he's already on the out with the Hollywood brothel and has been for years. And I think this is a foreign film as well, hence why it's actually about something that brings people to Christ (some reservations held, though, given the clip above) rather than glorifying sin.
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I'm pretty sure he's already on the out with the Hollywood brothel and has been for years. And I think this is a foreign film as well, hence why it's actually about something that brings people to Christ (some reservations held, though, given the clip above) rather than glorifying sin.
Being away from that den of iniquity is a promising sign at least. If it does end up bringing people to the Faith, good will have been done regardless of his sincerity (and for his own soul if he is).
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Is the cussing really needed?
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Is the cussing really needed?
That was my question. They have this beautiful scene of Holy Communion, followed immediately by civil unrest and some guy cussing. :facepalm:
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If Walburg and Gibson can't get a religious story right (Stu movie), without "modernizing" catholicism, I have very little faith (pun intended) that William Dafoe (total agnostic, or worse) and LaBeouf can do justice to St Pio.
LaBeouf seems sincere in his catholic journey but then again admits in the interview that he loves "immersion acting". Connecting with a character, even with a saintly priest, does not make a conversion. I hope that personally he gets some benefit and it's lasting.
But as for the movie, even if LaBeouf acted perfectly, the director/writers who aren't catholic will have the most control on the (probable) anti-catholic message.
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LaBeouf seems sincere in his catholic journey but then again admits in the interview that he loves "immersion acting". Connecting with a character, even with a saintly priest, does not make a conversion. I hope that personally he gets some benefit and it's lasting.
Yeah, its apparent from the article that he puts more weight into "sensibility" than belief. But, that's a matter of the interior forum, so I'll leave it at that. Otherwise, Praise God that he's converting.
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I always look at these Hollywood actors with skepticism. I'm not saying LaBeouf is not sincere time will tell. The real question is, when will Bobby Barron go from Novus Ordo presbyter to Catholic priest?
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https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/shia-labeouf-converts-to-catholicism-after-padre-pio-movie/
That's terrific news. Hopefully he continues to study Padre Pio and becomes a Traditional Catholic, as the true spirit of Padre Pio is utterly antithetical to and inimical with the sham Conciliar Church.
Hopefully Barron keeps his Modernist heretical paws off of him.
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I watched about 12 minutes or so, and I actually really enjoy hearing his perspective of the Mass vs the NO rite. Where he notes that with the NO it feels artificial, bureaucratic, and like you're being sold something (Modernism). Yet with the true Mass, it feels genuine. Very good insights on his part, and I can see that his remarks could have a positive impact in regard to more NOrdites looking into the traditional Rite.
I hope he makes it through his first dry period once the sensible consolations wear off, as he seems to be a very emotive guy.
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At least it's not a Netflix movie! Let's just say Padre Pio wouldn't look very Italian.
Remember, Netflix's red N logo stands for a famous slur -- a slur against the race they recast EVERYONE as for their movies...
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That's wonderful news, especially since he's an ethnic Jєω. Let's pray that he finds his way to the Traditional Catholic Faith. He's already a step in the right direction taking on the role of Padre Pio, as well as this from Minnesota's article above:
I'll add him to my intentions.
Clip from the film, already a bit let down. There's some foul language at the end
https://youtu.be/OIIwpxhXeeM
Great to hear he converted! I was kind of excited that maybe we would get a good movie but after watching this clip I'm afraid it'll be bad. Not just the swearing but the music over communion and the whispering is kind of intense too, maybe it fits well in the movie but looking at it in isolation I don't like that kind of eerie feel over communion.
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https://youtu.be/g3sgGpdNbOM
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https://youtu.be/g3sgGpdNbOM
Wow, this man has more faith and a better sensus Catholicus than Barron. He was actually beginning to get critical about this artificial imposition of activity in the NOM, and then walked it back, saying he didn't want to get into controversy, which clearly suggests that he does not care at all for the NOM, after Barron started to get effusively enthusiastic about the new "active participation". Barron has no idea what true "activity" is ... assisting in your will and your mind.
He says he was deeply effected by the Traditional Mass -- while the NO did nothing for him. How many conversions used to happen for no other reason than witnessing an actual Catholic Mass. Meanwhile you have Barron almost trying to undermine the man's correct Catholic sensibilities.
Of course, with Barron, he might even have told him not to convert in the first place.
This speaks VOLUMES, when a neophyte convert has more faith than a high-profile "Catholic" "bishop".
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It definitely seems Providential that he took on that Pio role, given he's able to intuit all of that by just looking at the sensible aspects of the Mass vs the counterfeit
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It definitely seems Providential that he took on that Pio role, given he's able to intuit all of that by just looking at the sensible aspects of the Mass vs the counterfeit
If it was, then he will find and convert to the true Catholic Faith.
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Shia's observations about the True Mass vs the NOM are quite insightful and impressive for a neophyte who was in Hollywood. He even favours priestly action over the so-called "active participation", which Barron brought up as an attempt to save face for the missal of his disgraceful religion, the Conciliar Church.
It certainly had to do with his acting role as a priest, but I am also reminded of Bishop Williamson saying something along the lines of "the Jews (even unconverted ones) understand Catholicism better than gentile Catholics do". He said this in his recent Quadragesimo Anno conference on YouTube.
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He even favours priestly action over the so-called "active participation"
The talk between Shia and Barron is one of complete opposites; it was comical. Shia is an emotional, raw, actor-feeler, millennial person. Barron is an intellectual, theoretical, out-of-touch, boomer.
Shia described the TLM as real, authentic, sacred and personal. Barron kept defending the new mass as some great experiment that "provided community" and "participation" (not yet realizing that the younger generations completely reject it for its fakeness). Shia's "used car salesman" analogy meant to explain the fakery.
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If it was, then he will find and convert to the true Catholic Faith.
So, what is it you believe he has converted to? Sounds to me as if the man has the Catholic Faith, and I would presume that he does unless and until he demonstrates otherwise. If you're implying that it is not possible for someone who's materially attached to the NO to have the Catholic Faith, then I have to disagree. It is possible for people in the Conciliar Church to formally possess the Catholic faith even if they are in material error.
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So, what is it you believe he has converted to? Sounds to me as if the man has the Catholic Faith, and I would presume that he does unless and until he demonstrates otherwise. If you're implying that it is not possible for someone who's materially attached to the NO to have the Catholic Faith, then I have to disagree. It is possible for people in the Conciliar Church to formally possess the Catholic faith even if they are in material error.
So far it sounds like he is drawn to the Latin Mass. If he believes Vatican II is Catholic, then he has not converted to the Catholic Faith. Other than his being drawn to the Latin Mass, he's no more converted than I was when I converted to the Novus Ordo church.
Remember, the Crisis is not just about the Liturgy. Did the interview above go into Vatican II at all?
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I always look at these Hollywood actors with skepticism. I'm not saying LaBeouf is not sincere time will tell. The real question is, when will Bobby Barron go from Novus Ordo presbyter to Catholic priest?
He's a whole bishop, now. There's not a lot of diocesan bishops that have jumped ship to the Traditional faith.
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Remember, the Crisis is not just about the Liturgy. Did the interview above go into Vatican II at all?
How can you make any comments if you haven't listened to the interview. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
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How can you make any comments if you haven't listened to the interview. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Fair question. I didn't have time to watch it, so I was basing my comments on what everyone else was saying [they/you watched it, correct?] and the only thing they talked about was the fact that he was drawn to the Latin mass. Nothing about Vatican II.
Should I watch it? Or is that pretty much the gist of it?
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Fair question. I didn't have time to watch it, so I was basing my comments on what everyone else was saying and the only thing they talked about was the fact that he was drawn to the Latin mass. Nothing about Vatican II.
Should I watch it? Or is that pretty much the gist of it?
It's worth it just for the disparity between Shia's impressions of the Mass and Barron trying to damage control for the NOM
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It's worth it just for the disparity between Shia's impressions of the Mass and Barron trying to damage control for the NOM
I saw that in the minute clip.
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Fair question. I didn't have time to watch it, so I was basing my comments on what everyone else was saying [they/you watched it, correct?] and the only thing they talked about was the fact that he was drawn to the Latin mass. Nothing about Vatican II.
I don't think Shia is the type of person that would spend the time or care about V2. What I mean is, he's a super hands-on, feeling person. All he cares about is the Mass and Christ in real-time; not the intellectual debate of V2.
To some degree there's truth to this because if the only portion of Modernization that happened was V2 docuмents (and not the new mass), the Church would be in a MUCH better spot. The V2 docuмents only appeal/corrupt the intellectual catholics. The new mass corrupted the "avg joe". The new mass was V2 put into practice. Thus, if you reject the new mass, then you are also rejecting V2 (even if you don't know it).
Should I watch it? Or is that pretty much the gist of it?
It is a long video. I watched on 1.5 speed. I don't have the time stamps, but the 10 min or so where they talk about the liturgy is great. The rest of the video is interesting but only if you want to hear Shia's journey to the Faith and his thoughts on Padre Pio.
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I don't think Shia is the type of person that would spend the time or care about V2. What I mean is, he's a super hands-on, feeling person. All he cares about is the Mass and Christ in real-time; not the intellectual debate of V2.
To some degree there's truth to this because if the only portion of Modernization that happened was V2 docuмents (and not the new mass), the Church would be in a MUCH better spot. The V2 docuмents only appeal/corrupt the intellectual catholics. The new mass corrupted the "avg joe". The new mass was V2 put into practice. Thus, if you reject the new mass, then you are also rejecting V2 (even if you don't know it).
It is a long video. I watched on 1.5 speed. I don't have the time stamps, but the 10 min or so where they talk about the liturgy is great. The rest of the video is interesting but only if you want to hear Shia's journey to the Faith and his thoughts on Padre Pio.
Hopefully, he will continue down the right path. Going to the Latin Mass exclusively is the first step. But if he believes in things taught in Vatican II, then he isn't fully converted to the Catholic Faith.
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Certainly one can have a true conversion without knowing V2 is a false council or even the the Novus Ordo is a false sect, however, it is likely that the sect will corrupt him and then he will be in need of another conversion.
What I mean to say is if he converted to Catholicism like this and then moved to a desert island he could very well have the true faith. I don't think that is at all likely though, probably he has many misconceptions about the faith already and a heretical view of other religions, etc. Remember, he was a staunch anti-Trump leftist, what is his position now?
Anyway, we'll see how it goes, best thing to do is pray.
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He's a Jew, an actor, a method actor with an unusual attention to detail, likes big publicity stunts and "converted" to "Christianity" some years ago. Perhaps Russian Orthodoxy is next when Putin comes to liberate us?
It may be safer to give him a few years before making him another Taylor Marshall :clown:
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- The Jєωs are on it already.....
From SLATE
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Why Shia LaBeouf’s Conversion to Catholicism Is So Scandalous
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In an interview with a popular Catholic bishop published on Youtube on Thursday, Shia LaBeouf announced that he was converting to Catholicism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxKG4mR3U4&t=1s). His spiritual journey, he explained, had come about during a dark part in his life when he was suicidal and grappling with intense shame and depression. LaBeouf was exploring his role as an Italian mystic priest for the upcoming drama Padre Pio, to be released next week, when he decided to convert to Catholicism himself. He was inspired partly after, in preparation for filming, LaBeouf lived briefly in a monastery with Capuchin friars in Northern California. “When I walked into this, my life was on fire,” LaBeouf said in the interview.
In 2020, LaBeouf had been accused (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/music/fka-twigs-shia-labeouf-abuse.html) of abusing his ex-girlfriend, FKA twigs. (Her lawsuit against him will go to trial in 2023. LaBeouf has called the abuse allegations false (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/feb/12/shia-labeoufs-legal-team-denies-abuse-claims-by-ex-girlfriend-fka-twigs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook), though he has said his failings were “fundamental (https://www.yahoo.com/news/shia-labeouf-talks-fundamental-failings-174900849.html).”) Catholicism, with its teachings on sin, confession, and forgiveness, gave him comfort. “It was seeing other people who have sinned beyond anything I could ever conceptualize also being found in Christ that made me feel like, ‘Oh, that gives me hope,’” LaBeouf said in the interview.
Though this was not even the major Shia LaBeouf news of the week—his part in the ongoing drama (https://variety.com/2022/film/news/shia-labeouf-denies-fired-olivia-wilde-dont-worry-darling-1235350529/) with the film Don’t Worry Darling has certainly been juicier—for the active Catholic community on social media, it’s been big. Almost all of the commentary has focused on one specific element of LaBeouf’s story: that he converted, in large part, because of the Latin Mass. “While we were practicing Latin Mass, I was having genuine emotional experiences,” LaBeouf said in the YouTube interview.
The response to that comment from right-wing Catholics and conservative Catholic media was (https://twitter.com/juventutemDC/status/1562942894885208072) gleeful (https://twitter.com/EricRSammons/status/1563173363534958592). One editor of a traditionalist Catholic newspaper said LaBeouf was speaking “truth to power (https://twitter.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1563173719702654977).” A reply to a tweet from an account called “Catholic Manhood,” described LaBeouf as “Latin-pilled (https://twitter.com/SR71Hockey/status/1563124760325672961),” in a positive way. Other tweets professed to “be moved (https://twitter.com/juventutemDC/status/1562942894885208072)” and find “hope” (https://twitter.com/PapalSupremacy/status/1562931499321761792) in LaBeouf’s transformation from “a Hollywood Liberal to Traditional Catholic.” The whole thing was taken as a major victory for orthodox Catholics. So what is the Latin Mass, and why was its role in LaBeouf’s conversion so celebrated?
The traditional Latin Mass is at the center of an ongoing controversy in the Catholic church: the small, conservative group promoting it claims it is a beautiful and true expression of the faith, while more progressive Catholics—and Pope Francis—see it largely as a breeding ground for reactionary beliefs and conflict in the church. The TLM, as it’s called by those who celebrate it, refers to the “extraordinary form” of the Roman rite that makes up the rituals and prayers of the Mass and which was in use until the 1960s, at which point the Second Vatican Council took place and ushered in the “ordinary form” (Novus Ordo, or NO).
The overwhelming majority of Catholics attend Novus Ordo Masses; indeed, the overwhelming majority of Catholics today have likely never seen anything else. But traditional Latin Masses have a small but highly enthusiastic faction in the church. The main difference between the two rites is in style and not substance: In the extraordinary form, priests recite prayers in Latin instead of the vernacular; they celebrate the Mass facing the altar, with their backs to the congregants; there are no female altar servers. Proponents of the TLM describe it as solemn, beautiful, ancient, mysterious, sacred. Traditionalists believe that the Latin Mass is key to reviving the faith among young Catholics.
It’s not surprising that LaBeouf, who grew up in a mixed Christian and Jєωιѕн household, would be compelled by the TLM. While there’s no good data on what attracts people to Catholicism, most observers would agree that converts (at least those driven by a personal impulse rather than those converting for family reasons) tend to be more traditionalist than cradle Catholics. This makes sense: if someone was drawn into Catholicism specifically, it would track that the elements that differentiate it more strongly from Protestantism—the rituals, the antiquity, the mysticism—would be a significant part of that appeal.
There’s certainly nothing wrong with enjoying the Latin Mass. (With the caveat that some traditionalist groups, such as the semi-legitimate Society of Saint Pius X, incorporate fully outdated parts of the pre-Vatican II liturgy into their worship, which can include explicitly anti-Semitic elements (https://twitter.com/DBPanneton/status/1537830632155488257).) In the interview, LaBeouf explained that he was drawn to the Latin Mass because it was “immersive” and felt “almost like I’m being let in on something very special.” Fair enough!
But the traditionalists who love the TLM can be deeply toxic (https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/contrary-traditionalist-claims-many-catholics-are-fleeing-latin-mass-parishes). “Trads” embrace traditionalism that goes beyond the language spoken in services. Many of them reject the reforms of Vatican II altogether, and stick to uncompromising positions (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/nyt-dimes-square-trad-catholic-op-ed.html) on gαy marriage, divorce, and the dress of (https://twitter.com/AdrianFonze/status/1562973534124916739) women and their role in society. Their extreme counterparts, the radical traditionalists, or “Rad Trads,” often go further, idolizing the crusades, making vile comments about Jєωs and Muslims, and spreading conspiracy theories that decry the infiltration of the church by evil forces and accuse Pope Francis of being an antipope or even antichrist. The Rad Trad community flourishes on Twitter and Reddit and Discord, trafficking in memes about the saints and feminists and monarchism.
These highly engaged traditionalists may be small in number (most Catholics are blissfully unaware (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/07/two-thirds-of-u-s-catholics-unaware-of-popes-new-restrictions-on-traditional-latin-mass/) of the “liturgy wars,” as this debate is called). But they are well represented among clergy, including bishops and cardinals. And over the course of Francis’ papacy, their dissent has grown increasingly loud, to the point that many liberal Catholics began to worry that the culture wars in the church would lead to schism. The controversy came to a climax last summer when, in an effort to crack down on the “division” sown by the traditionalists, Pope Francis laid down strict rules for when and where the traditional Latin Mass can be conducted. The outcry that followed was intense (https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/07/latin-mass-pope-francis-traditionalist-critics.html). Pope Francis has not backed down from his position; In June, he said that those who “call themselves guardians of traditions, but of dead traditions” were “dangerous” to the church. Traditionalist Catholics have continued to claim to be martyrs.
Shia LaBeouf, in his interview, gave those traditionalists ammunition. In the interview, he said he hadn’t felt as much spiritual connection in modern Masses with guitar playing and priests who crack jokes—a common complaint made by the traditionalists. He also complained he had felt the Novus Ordo Mass was trying too hard. “The Latin Mass affects me deeply,” he said. “Because it doesn’t feel like they’re trying to sell me a car.”
LaBeouf may not be aware that he is diving into a culture war by speaking about his love for the Latin Mass. And his larger interview shows he did bring nuance to the topic. The quote-tweets joyfully sharing (https://twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall/status/1563012110862323714) the “sell me a car” line left out the part where he agreed “you don’t want to be exclusive, either, which is what Latin Mass feels like sometimes.”
But his ignorance is a little hard to defend, given that he did acknowledge at one point that “I don’t want to get too far into this, because then you get into controversy.” There’s another reason it seems LaBeouf knows exactly what side he’s taking: he told the interviewer that he had sought guidance from Mel Gibson in his conversion process. Gibson is not just an unabashed αnтι-ѕємιтє (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/mel-gibson-controversies-career-1234696080/); he is also someone who speaks (https://www.ncronline.org/news/culture/mel-gibson-chimes-support-canceled-priests-fr-james-altman) at traditionalist Catholic events, builds churches (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mel-gibson-builds-37m-sect/news-story/b295a6815a8976667bab82220b46e658) for disaffected orthodox Catholics, and makes friends with radical right-wing priests (https://twitter.com/frdavenix/status/1386089962257338371). (His father, Hutton Gibson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson), was a leading proponent of the idea that all popes since Vatican II have been antipopes.) In fact, in the interview, LaBeouf said (https://twitter.com/TheNigerianTrad/status/1562896075752501251) that Gibson was the one who had shown him where to find the illicit Latin Masses.
As an individual on a religious journey, he should certainly find an expression of the faith that works for him personally. But he should also realize: Far from being a refuge from scandal, his embrace of the Latin Mass will likely plunge him head first into another controversial debate.
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But his ignorance is a little hard to defend, given that he did acknowledge at one point that “I don’t want to get too far into this, because then you get into controversy.” There’s another reason it seems LaBeouf knows exactly what side he’s taking: he told the interviewer that he had sought guidance from Mel Gibson in his conversion process. Gibson is not just an unabashed αnтι-ѕємιтє (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/mel-gibson-controversies-career-1234696080/); he is also someone who speaks (https://www.ncronline.org/news/culture/mel-gibson-chimes-support-canceled-priests-fr-james-altman) at traditionalist Catholic events, builds churches (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mel-gibson-builds-37m-sect/news-story/b295a6815a8976667bab82220b46e658) for disaffected orthodox Catholics, and makes friends with radical right-wing priests (https://twitter.com/frdavenix/status/1386089962257338371). (His father, Hutton Gibson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson), was a leading proponent of the idea that all popes since Vatican II have been antipopes.) In fact, in the interview, LaBeouf said (https://twitter.com/TheNigerianTrad/status/1562896075752501251) that Gibson was the one who had shown him where to find the illicit Latin Masses.
Yes, as you mentioned Josefa, the Jєωs are already on this, given the content of the above article that you posted, and especially since Shia LaBeouf stated that he is quite close with Mel Gibson (he stated this in one of the twitter links), and that Gibson showed him where to find 'illicit masses.' That has put him on their radar for sure.
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He's a Jєω, an actor, a method actor with an unusual attention to detail, likes big publicity stunts and "converted" to "Christianity" some years ago. Perhaps Russian Orthodoxy is next when Putin comes to liberate us?
It may be safer to give him a few years before making him another Taylor Marshall :clown:
Yes, this. It could absolutely be some sort of fleeting feeling or a stunt. Trads are drawn to this in the same way that China is drawn to Americans who speak fluent Mandarin -- it's not something you see often and when you do, you're wowed and enthused.
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He's a Jєω, an actor, a method actor with an unusual attention to detail, likes big publicity stunts and "converted" to "Christianity" some years ago. Perhaps Russian Orthodoxy is next when Putin comes to liberate us?
It may be safer to give him a few years before making him another Taylor Marshall :clown:
Some of you people are out of control in assuming the worst of everyone ... without even the slightest bit of evidence, when we should be rejoicing that he converted, and even seems to lean Traditional right out of the gate.
I will assume that he's sincere, even as I continue to assume that Taylor Marshall is sincere, until there's some evidence brought forward to demonstrate otherwise.
If the man were to ever stumble upon Cathinfo (say by doing a search on his name + "Traditional Catholic"), he'd rightly be put off by reading this garbage.
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There is nothing wrong with caution. Too many trads get duped over and over again. How is it that you always seem to find the side of these people? Moderation is better than credulity in these subversive times.
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There is nothing wrong with caution. Too many trads get duped over and over again. How is it that you always seem to find the side of these people? Moderation is better than credulity in these subversive times.
"Caution" my ass. What's he going to do to you? Maybe if someone was a suspected pedophile, you would be "cautious" about letting your children near them. If you were the rector of a seminary, and a partially-Jєωιѕн convert entered the seminary, then you might be "cautious" and keep an eye on him. Even then, you wouldn't publicly slander them. IF it were some publicity stunt, the only thing he'd be trying to do would be to revive his career. If he ends up becoming a Modernist and makes some Modernist statements down the road, then he'd be one of hundreds of millions other Modernists out there.
This has nothing to do with "caution". You're just a skeptical jerk who tends to see everyone in the worst possible light, and now you're trying to justify your statements and your behavior by pretending it's "caution". Your statements border on (and IMO actually are) calumny and slander. Whether he's sincere or not is none of your business, but is between him and God, until it affects you somehow. Charity requires that we give him every benefit of the doubt and presume sincerity until there's evidence to the contrary.
Who are "these people" that I'm siding with? Apart from some situations were trads were too trusting of priests who later turned out to be pedophiles, what harm has ever come to anyone by giving the benefit of doubt to someone who posed no potential threat to them if they were wrong about them? Give some examples of "trads duped over and over again" that resulted in any lasting harm besides perhaps disappointment. What harm comes to me or anyone else if I or others give Taylor Marshall, +Vigano, or LaBeouf the benefit of the doubt that they're sincere about what they believe? If they say something we don't agree with, we simply don't accept it ... regardless of whether they are in good faith or bad. So while their statements or behavior might be objectionable, whether they're in good faith or bad is irrelevant except to him and to God.
Story about St. Thomas:
“Thomas! Thomas!” two snickering friars called, rousing their brother who was bent over his books. “Look out the window—there are pigs flying about in the sky!” Thomas rose at once and bounced to the window incredulously. The friars laughed. Putting the finishing touch on the jest, the saint responded, “I would rather believe that pigs can fly than believe that my brethren could lie.”
St. Thomas was "duped" too, right?
You also tried turn your disgraceful behavior into a virtue, referring to it as "moderation." Give me a break.
You also betrayed that you weren't motivated by any kind of virtue, moderation, caution when you finished your post with :clown:.
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It is so funny that (maybe) bp is not able to handle Shia's TLM enthusiasm and NOM criticism (it feels like being a salesman). bp Barron pivots left and right to change the topic to no avail. Truly amazing.
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It is so funny that (maybe) bp is not able to handle Shia's TLM enthusiasm and NOM criticism (it feels like being a salesman). bp Barron pivots left and right to change the topic to no avail. Truly amazing.
LOL ... yes, you could see Barron squirming.
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... and LaBeouf mentioned he lives in Pasadena. This is like a few miles away from SSPX chapel in Arcadia. Let's pray for the miracle.
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Since seeing this interview, I went and rented "The Peanut Butter Falcon", a fairly recent movie with Shia- I wanted to see what he was about on screen.
He is very raw and "all in" - he lays it all out and doesn't hold back emotionally. His heart seems exposed. ( I really liked the movie as well)
A good catch for Our Lord - he's certainly not lukewarm.
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We've been through a lot of this before; your hurt feelings don't translate into sins on my part. Who you trust matters. Good and bad information have their effect regardless of your intentions. Listening to someone who may be sincere but is deceived by the enemy has its effect.
The charity also seems to stop when it comes to someone who disagrees with you, Ladislaus, on a topic. It's not too late for you even in your advanced age to give the appropriate apologies.
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watching further ... another nugget "i can't just jump from nothing to faith". Yes, Faith is based not on feelings. He is spot on. And the (maybe) bishop immediately interjects.
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long shot dream - bp Barron will covert
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https://youtu.be/aRNptCruDrY
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We've been through a lot of this before; your hurt feelings don't translate into sins on my part.
My "feelings" aren't hurt. I'm calling you out for calumniating and slandering Shia here. You have zero evidence for your assertion that his conversion is insincere and are calumniating him by suggesting it. "Good and bad information" (yours is neither, as it's purely made-up speculation) have can have an effect whether or not one is "sincere". If Shia gets to the point of putting out harmful information, then feel free to criticize said information, whether or not he's sincere in believing it. And until you have some evidence to back up your insinuation that he's insincere in his conversion, you need to shut your stupid trap or else you're committing slander and calumny against him.
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I didn't make the argument you are presenting here, but good job on using fewer characters. Next time, try to find out what I am saying and argue against it rather than inventing your own story.
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https://youtu.be/aRNptCruDrY
LOL, in that first clip you can see Barron literally squirm in his seat as he shifts his weight (at about 1:30) and shoots this obviously fake uncomfortable smile at him after Shia talks about how the Tridentine Mass led to his conversion, and where he implied that the NOM is defective (where he felt like they were trying to "sell" him something vs. the Tridentine Mass where he was immersed in the mystery).
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... and LaBeouf mentioned he lives in Pasadena. This is like a few miles away from SSPX chapel in Arcadia. Let's pray for the miracle.
And evidently he's been in contact with Mel Gibson.
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And evidently he's been in contact with Mel Gibson.
Despite Mel's personal issues (living in sin, etc), that would be a better person to be talking to than Barron here.
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Despite Mel's personal issues (living in sin, etc), that would be a better person to be talking to than Barron here.
No doubt. Mel I'm sure at least acknowledges that he's living in sin.
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... and LaBeouf mentioned he lives in Pasadena. This is like a few miles away from SSPX chapel in Arcadia. Let's pray for the miracle.
Isn't that Father Burfitt's area? All the better for him!
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Some of you people are out of control in assuming the worst of everyone ... without even the slightest bit of evidence, when we should be rejoicing that he converted, and even seems to lean Traditional right out of the gate.
I will assume that he's sincere, even as I continue to assume that Taylor Marshall is sincere, until there's some evidence brought forward to demonstrate otherwise.
If the man were to ever stumble upon Cathinfo (say by doing a search on his name + "Traditional Catholic"), he'd rightly be put off by reading this garbage.
Indeed. It is the typical pharisaical behavior that unfortunately rears its ugly head every now and then. Remember folks, not every soul converts at the same pace. For those of us who are converts to Tradition, it bears reminding that not everyone got a Saint Paul road to Damascus moment.
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He's a Jєω, an actor, a method actor with an unusual attention to detail, likes big publicity stunts and "converted" to "Christianity" some years ago. Perhaps Russian Orthodoxy is next when Putin comes to liberate us?
It may be safer to give him a few years before making him another Taylor Marshall :clown:
You got the scent Dxcat40... let's keep following the trail!
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No doubt. Mel I'm sure at least acknowledges that he's living in sin.
To be honest, before and after the "Passion", Mel has acted just like a Hollywood Jєω.
Divorced his wife, impregnated two young women, made totally non Catholic movies, hob-knobbed with the Jєωs.. etc.
Living in sin is an understatement. He has done his best to discredit the traditional Catholic movement.
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Just saw a ten second clip from the film and it portrays Padre Pio disgracefully yelling "STFU, say Christ is Lord x2"
:'(
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We've been through a lot of this before; your hurt feelings don't translate into sins on my part.
The charity also seems to stop when it comes to someone who disagrees with you, Ladislaus, on a topic. It's not too late for you even in your advanced age to give the appropriate apologies.
Well said.
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I didn't make the argument you are presenting here, but good job on using fewer characters. Next time, try to find out what I am saying and argue against it rather than inventing your own story.
Yep. Presuppositions abound.
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To be honest, before and after the "Passion", Mel has acted just like a Hollywood Jєω.
Divorced his wife, impregnated two young women, made totally non Catholic movies, hob-knobbed with the Jєωs.. etc.
Living in sin is an understatement. He has done his best to discredit the traditional Catholic movement.
Agreed.
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To be honest, before and after the "Passion", Mel has acted just like a Hollywood Jєω.
Divorced his wife, impregnated two young women, made totally non Catholic movies, hob-knobbed with the Jєωs.. etc.
Living in sin is an understatement. He has done his best to discredit the traditional Catholic movement.
Sounds more like a guy who has issues with purity. He was caught one time at a traffic stop making "Anti-Semitic" rants. Yes, he was drunk, but that suggests that it was an unguarded moment when he said what he really thought, but at other times he tried to hide it, lest it destroy his career. So, between impurity, and the desire to keep making money, Gibson is a compromiser. This does not make him a deliberate agent attempting to deliberately discredit Traditional Catholicism.
https://forward.com/culture/449521/mel-gibson-anti-semitism-timeline-winona-ryder/
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Sounds more like a guy who has issues with purity. He was caught one time at a traffic stop making "Anti-Semitic" rants. Yes, he was drunk, but that suggests that it was an unguarded moment when he said what he really thought, but at other times he tried to hide it, lest it destroy his career. So, between impurity, and the desire to keep making money, Gibson is a compromiser. This does not make him a deliberate agent attempting to deliberately discredit Traditional Catholicism.
https://forward.com/culture/449521/mel-gibson-anti-semitism-timeline-winona-ryder/
Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong?
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Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong?
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Sounds more like a guy who has issues with purity. He was caught one time at a traffic stop making "Anti-Semitic" rants. Yes, he was drunk, but that suggests that it was an unguarded moment when he said what he really thought, but at other times he tried to hide it, lest it destroy his career. So, between impurity, and the desire to keep making money, Gibson is a compromiser. This does not make him a deliberate agent attempting to deliberately discredit Traditional Catholicism.
https://forward.com/culture/449521/mel-gibson-anti-semitism-timeline-winona-ryder/
Lads is "teflon-coated" now.
Matthew set it, so you can't give him a down vote :laugh1:
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I know. His -4415 hasn't changed in a couple weeks, or whenever it dropped from -5066.
Maybe if you buy something from Matthew's amazon wishlist, you'll be able to down vote Lad more.
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I know. His -4415 hasn't changed in a couple weeks, or whenever it dropped from -5066.
Maybe if you buy something from Matthew's amazon wishlist, you'll be able to down vote Lad more.
Thanks for reminding me.
I forgot... we're approaching Black Friday.
I have to make my shopping list.... that's a big Amazon day for Cathinfo :popcorn:
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Matthew set it, so you can't give him a down vote :laugh1:
Didn't stop him or his groupies from downvoting those who noticed :laugh1:
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So much for being Catholic
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/shia-labeouf-unrecognizable-in-greek-goddess-drag-complete-with-high-heels/
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So much for being Catholic
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/shia-labeouf-unrecognizable-in-greek-goddess-drag-complete-with-high-heels/
:facepalm:
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So much for being Catholic
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/shia-labeouf-unrecognizable-in-greek-goddess-drag-complete-with-high-heels/
Ew! 🤢
I thought he was filming Padre Pio right now? He sure covers a wide spectrum. 🤦♀️
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So much for being Catholic
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/shia-labeouf-unrecognizable-in-greek-goddess-drag-complete-with-high-heels/
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"Some kind a fag"
"Shee doobie... I'm a Shattered!... Shee doobie"
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It would appear that he has some mental problems, since no self-respecting male would ever dress like that.
Of course, there are some Trad Catholic schools that had girls play male parts in various plays ... and that's just as bad.
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It seems like a novus Ordo bishop got to him. Only Coppola.
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If he is serious about about being a convert, he really needs to accept better parts and movies. From Padre Pio to drag Queen is not good. He needs sound advice from a good Catholic.
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If he is serious about about being a convert, he really needs to accept better parts and movies. From Padre Pio to drag Queen is not good. He needs sound advice from a good Catholic.
Well, being a new convert, he's probably ignorant of some things, and/or it's possible that he has a contractual obligation to play this role that he signed up for before his conversion. He doesn't look all that happy.
EDIT: I just looked it up and it appears he was signed on to play the role in late 2021, so before he converted after working on the Padre Pio film in early 2022. Not sure if he felt he could get sued if he backed out after signing on.
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"Some kind a fag"
"Shee doobie... I'm a Shattered!... Shee doobie"
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Well, being a new convert, he's probably ignorant of some things, and/or it's possible that he has a contractual obligation to play this role that he signed up for before his conversion. He doesn't look all that happy.
EDIT: I just looked it up and it appears he was signed on to play the role in late 2021, so before he converted after working on the Padre Pio film in early 2022. Not sure if he felt he could get sued if he backed out after signing on.
Be careful exercising prudential restraint in judgment on this forum: that's proximate to public, manifest heresy.
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Be careful exercising prudential restraint in judgment on this forum: that's proximate to public, manifest heresy.
:laugh1: right?
Well, being a new convert, he's probably ignorant of some things, and/or it's possible that he has a contractual obligation to play this role that he signed up for before his conversion. He doesn't look all that happy.
EDIT: I just looked it up and it appears he was signed on to play the role in late 2021, so before he converted after working on the Padre Pio film in early 2022. Not sure if he felt he could get sued if he backed out after signing on.
That makes a lot more sense. I'll pray for him then and hope he decides to get out of that nest of vipers
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He's being subjected to the usual humiliation ritual Hollywood imposes. A stronger, more resolute man would refuse. And he should have refused. But I see no evidence suggesting he was eagerly jumping at the opportunity.
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He's being subjected to the usual humiliation ritual Hollywood imposes. A stronger, more resolute man would refuse. And he should have refused. But I see no evidence suggesting he was eagerly jumping at the opportunity.
It sounds like he agreed to the part before converting. He should have backed out on his contract even if it would cost him a lot. Having said that, I can't imagine how difficult that would be for him.
Can a Traditional Catholic truly remain there at all? Outside of Mel Gibson's movies about Christ, I doubt it. I think as long as he refuses such parts going forward then that's the most we can expect.
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Well, being a new convert, he's probably ignorant of some things, and/or it's possible that he has a contractual obligation to play this role that he signed up for before his conversion. He doesn't look all that happy.
EDIT: I just looked it up and it appears he was signed on to play the role in late 2021, so before he converted after working on the Padre Pio film in early 2022. Not sure if he felt he could get sued if he backed out after signing on.
Let’s think about it?
If Shia the jew, had a miraculous conversion with the help of Mel (Freemason) Gibson, then he should have known not to take the queer jobs… right?
But then, since Shia is playing the role of St. Padre Pio, who drops “F” bombs on the faithful, then maybe he’s only partially converted and the Kike producers are forcing him to do bad stuff?
He just needs more catechism time and Mel-help.
But then… if Shia were a Marrano, he could always get out of his Hollywood contract by invoking his тαℓмυdic Kohl Nidre, which renounces all vows, obligations and legal agreements.
It’s just that Jєωιѕн Hollywood converts are really hard to figure out 🤷🏻♂️
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If Shia the Jєω, had a miraculous conversion with the help of Mel (Freemason) Gibson, then he should have known not to take the queer jobs… right?
Can you even read? Looks like he took the job before his conversion.
It's getting more and more difficult to keep reading your vile posts where you slander everyone ... here adding the slander / calumny of calling Mel Gibson a Freemason without evidence.
God will judge you for this.
What's it to you anyway? How do Gibson and LaBeauf affect your life so that there's any real reason for you to constantly hammer on people? This is just digusting need to gossip that would make a non-Catholic old lady ashamed, coming from someone who presents himself here as a male.
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Can you even read? Looks like he took the job before his conversion.
It's getting more and more difficult to keep reading your vile posts where you slander everyone ... here adding the slander / calumny of calling Mel Gibson a Freemason without evidence.
God will judge you for this.
What's it to you anyway? How do Gibson and LaBeauf affect your life so that there's any real reason for you to constantly hammer on people? This is just digusting need to gossip that would make a non-Catholic old lady ashamed, coming from someone who presents himself here as a male.
If I’m judged for doubting Shia the Jew’s conversion…
Consider that you’ll be judged for condoning and making excuses for this Hollywood fake on a trad Catholic forum.
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Re-upping this since the movie is now released. *
Whatever the arguments on CI about Padre Pio, Shia LaBoeuf, or the film itself in its aesthetic aspects, the more serious focus should be on the director, Abel Ferrara. So far, the various Catholic online tabloids have been generally uncritical (https://www.ncregister.com/cna/from-porn-to-padre-pio-meet-the-director-who-felt-drawn-to-tell-the-saint-s-story), mostly repeating the recommendations of various Capuchins who acted as advisors to the film.
Ferrara's Wiki bio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel_Ferrara) says he's a Buddhist, for what that's worth. His filmography includes gratuitous blasphemies not much different from any night on network TV. It's known that he started his career in porn. Sure, he took narrative liberty with the Padre Pio film, focusing more on political clashes in southern Italy pre-WWII than on the priest himself. OK, so he's on par with other worldly celebrities who get trotted out as [cultural] Catholics.
Yet it gets worse. A few highlights: His teacher and mentor, Rosa von Praunheim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_von_Praunheim), is admired in highbrow avantgarde circles for his/her/its activist depravity. In a 1993 interview in ArtForum (https://www.artforum.com/print/199303/malice-toward-nuns-34203) about the film Bad Lieutenant, Ferrara uses the interview and the film as vehicles for his egotistic ramblings (https://offscreen.com/view/bad_lieutenant) about the First and Sixth Commandments. In 2021, Ferrara joined Italian poet Gabriele Tinti for a reading at Cappella Sansevero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappella_Sansevero), a Neapolitan 17th century chapel with its own macabre history (https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-sansevero-chapel/). The chapel houses several aesthetically admired/spiritually notorious sculptures, and to this day, is affiliated with occult goings-on. Tinti's work barely hides its own hermeticism, and several 2021 interviews and reviews around that poetry reading were published in online sites readily describable as hipsters-meet-Eyes Wide Shut.
* tl;dr: The Padre Pio movie is more than merely vulgar. What is it is one more demonic trojan horse meant to confuse and undermine Catholics misled into believing that it's a historically grounded biopic.
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Has anyone seen this movie?
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Taylor Marshall says it's horrible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6uu4WaJ2yo
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Shia's observations about the True Mass vs the NOM are quite insightful and impressive for a neophyte who was in Hollywood. He even favours priestly action over the so-called "active participation", which Barron brought up as an attempt to save face for the missal of his disgraceful religion, the Conciliar Church.
It certainly had to do with his acting role as a priest, but I am also reminded of Bishop Williamson saying something along the lines of "the Jєωs (even unconverted ones) understand Catholicism better than gentile Catholics do". He said this in his recent Quadragesimo Anno conference on YouTube.
Reading the thread it's no surprise that Incredulous and dxcat40 have the best comments. Mithrandylan has his typical "high-minded" comment that is worthless.
To the bolded:
If that were true then Jews who converted to the Church wouldn't try to downplay the anti-Judaism of Catholicism and would be at the forefront of anti-Jєωιѕн actions on the part of the Church. Bishop Williamson invited a rabbi to come speak to seminarians at Winona. St. Vincent Ferrer was of the view that if a Jєωιѕн convert wasn't disowned by his family then his conversion was suspicious.
For Bishop Williamson to say that "the Jєωs (even unconverted ones) understand Catholicism better than gentile Catholics do": this plays into the hands of those atheists, such as Gore Vidal, who claim that Jews wittingly or unwittingly created Islam and Christianity as a way of enslaving gentiles and making them easier to control.
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Reading the thread it's no surprise that Incredulous and dxcat40 have the best comments. Mithrandylan has his typical "high-minded" comment that is worthless.
To the bolded:
If that were true then Jєωs who converted to the Church wouldn't try to downplay the anti-Judaism of Catholicism and would be at the forefront of anti-Jєωιѕн actions on the part of the Church. Bishop Williamson invited a rabbi to come speak to seminarians at Winona. St. Vincent Ferrer was of the view that if a Jєωιѕн convert wasn't disowned by his family then his conversion was suspicious.
For Bishop Williamson to say that "the Jєωs (even unconverted ones) understand Catholicism better than gentile Catholics do": this plays into the hands of those atheists, such as Gore Vidal, who claim that Jєωs wittingly or unwittingly created Islam and Christianity as a way of enslaving gentiles and making them easier to control.
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Shia LaBeouf has been my favorite actor since I was a boy and I love most of the movies he’s been in. But there are several I’ll never watch…
The clip of him dropping the f-bomb as St. Pio obliterated any chance of me watching the movie. Such a disappointing thing to see… and those pictures of him wearing drag for that other movie role made me cringe and embarrassed for him, and for myself a little as a fan of his work. Haha.
He is an emotional method actor, and a Jew ingratiated in Hollywood, yes. Those things are not lost on me regarding his conversion… but I’m cautiously optimistic about it being genuine.
What can I say though? 🤷♂️ The young RosaryTrad in me is rooting for him. Haha.
All I see when I see things about him is another young man searching for the Truth. I just hope he realizes he’s found it before it’s too late.
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Has anyone seen this movie?
Yeah, I watched it. Last night. Curiosity got the better of Mrs. Bonaventure and myself, so we decided to rent it on-demand for $7. Suffice it to say, it was a waste of $7... and a waste of 1hr-44mins.
The movie takes place in 1920 just as Padre Pio is arriving at a Capuchin monastery in Italy's San Giovanni Rotondo. Despite its title, Padre Pio's character is only seen in about 1/3 of the movie, with the other 2/3 focused on a small group of townspeople, some of whom are soldiers just returning from some war (TBH, my knowledge of Italian history ain't all that great, and to really appreciate what was going in the movie, some background info on this would've been helpful). Turns out some of the soldiers (and the town's mayor) are landowners, whereas most of everyone else is not. These two competing storylines make the movie hard to follow, as there is little relation between what is going on with Padre Pio (many of his scenes are him dealing with demons) and what is going on with the townspeople. The only intertwining these two apparently independent, but competing, storly lines have is when a few of the townspeople are seen attending Mass and receiving Holy Eucharist from Padre Pio.
In any event, the townspeople storyline is really about the sympathetic socialists/communists making a foothold within the community, sparred against the non-sympathetic landowners (whom I'm guessing are supposed to be those who two years down the road are the fascists supporting Mussolini).
The scenes with Padre Pio vary. Some, especially those where Padre Pio is saying Mass, are good. Others, not so much. The two scenes that stand out, which I think have already been discussed within this thread, are a bit disturbing, to say the least. First, Padre Pio is hearing the confession (which is done outside an actual confessional, in a room where Padre Pio can see the penitent--not sure how accurate that is, but ok) of a woman who is wearing men's clothing, and says some disturbing things of a sɛҳuąƖ nature (I'll leave it at that); she doesn't seem to be all that remorseful about it, making Padre Pio angry, telling her to leave, and when she doesn't, that's when the effenheimer flys out--not only were the extent of the sins the woman was attempting to confess uncalled for, but of course so was that portrayal of Padre Pio. The second scene is of the devil who has taken the form of a completely naked woman, tempting/mocking Padre Pio. Again, have no idea why that was called for.
It is seldom that I would flat-out not recommend anyone see a movie, but this is one of those times. Even if it did not contain the parts of immodestly and sacrilege, I still wouldn't recommend it. It's slow. It's boring. The story line is confusing. And it really does not convey much of Padre Pio's life.
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Shia LaBeouf has been my favorite actor since I was a boy and I love most of the movies he’s been in.
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I'd never heard of this guy until this Padre Pio movie. What movies has he been in?
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I'd never heard of this guy until this Padre Pio movie. What movies has he been in?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0479471/
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In any event, the townspeople storyline is really about the sympathetic socialists/communists making a foothold within the community, sparred against the non-sympathetic landowners
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I'd never heard of this guy until this Padre Pio movie. What movies has he been in?
He’s 7 years older than me so I first saw him on tv in the show Even Stevens. Some of my fondest memories are of coming home from school to watch that show and the Even Stevens movie. Haha.
I want to add one thing to my original comment that I think must be added as to not cause scandal and it’s that there are movies he’s been in that I’ll never watch again because I’m a Catholic.
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I doubt Gibson's a Freemason. I saw the covered eye picture too. I think it's just Hollywood success and atmosphere. The Jews and their stuff, and ways and means, are all over Hollywood, so it just catches in the atmosphere, at precipitation level. There's a lot of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in Hollywood, however, and I think Clint Eastwood and Brad Pitt are in it, as are many others.
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Yeah, I watched it. Last night. Curiosity got the better of Mrs. Bonaventure and myself, so we decided to rent it on-demand for $7. Suffice it to say, it was a waste of $7... and a waste of 1hr-44mins.
I believe it. They couldn't get me to bite. I'm not big on movies anyway.
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The Amazing Spiritual Quest of Shia LaBeouf – ‘Padre Pio’ Star Receives the Sacrament of Confirmation Into Catholic Church, Says He Wants To Become a Deacon
by Paul Serran (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/author/pauls/) Jan. 5, 2024 8:15 am (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/amazing-spiritual-quest-shia-labeouf-padre-pio-star/#comments)
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Film fans and Christian believers alike: rejoice!
Hollywood star Shia LaBeouf has been formally received into the Catholic Church with the sacrament of confirmation by Minnesota Bishop Robert Barron, on New Year’s Eve.
This follows a surprising but incredibly sincere awakening of the actor’s faith, after the long immersive work he undertook to play the role of St. Pio of Pietrelcina in Abel Ferrara’s movie Padre Pio.
LaBeouf’s confirmation sponsor and LaBeouf co-star in the film, Capuchin Friar Brother Alexander Rodriguez further revealed that the actor wants to become a deacon ‘sometime in the future’.
Brother Rodriguez said that LaBeouf began entertaining the idea of the diaconate during the making of the movie. “He just spontaneously said, ‘I want to become a deacon,’ and he still feels that way,”.
The sacramental ceremony took place at Old Mission Santa Inés Parish, in Solvang, California.
That’s the same Capuchin parish that LaBeouf first went to train for his role as a Franciscan friar in the Padre Pio film.
Like many other people, I first found out about LaBeouf’s story a few months ago when I bumped into his 80-minute-long interview with Bishop Barron – the same prelate who now officiated in his Confirmation ceremony.
I was amazed by the seriousness and sincerity of his spiritual quest, so I’m leaving it here in case you want to check it out.
https://youtu.be/hjxKG4mR3U4
New Catholic Register (https://www.ncregister.com/cna/shia-labeouf-enters-catholic-church-considers-vocation-to-the-diaconate) reported:
“In the interview, he said that he was agnostic before finding God. He said he had a bar mitzvah as a 13-year-old boy but never embraced the Jєωιѕн faith.
Despite his successes as an actor in big-screen films such as Transformers, Fury, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and Holes, his life was in turmoil. In trouble with the law multiple times, LaBeouf currently faces a lawsuit filed by his ex-girlfriend accusing him of being physically abusive. Estranged from his mother because of his downward spiral, LaBeouf told Bishop Barron he had reached the point where he despaired of living, saying: ‘I don’t want to be here anymore’.”
When LaBeouf got the lead part in Abel Ferrara’s film Padre Pio, an Italian priest and saint who received the stigmata, a road of self-discovery opened ahead of him.
He spent an immense amount of time with Franciscan friars at Old Mission Santa Inés to prepare for the role.
“He began diving into Scripture and the works of important Catholic writers. In his interview with Bishop Barron, LaBeouf spoke about his view of Jesus prior to his having read the Gospels as someone who is ‘soft, fragile, all-loving, all-listening’ but with ‘no ferocity, no romance’. What he encountered in the Gospels was a very different, masculine Christ, he said.”
Playing the role of the saint while being immersed in his monastery and town added to the intensity.
“’It’s enormous pressure, but it only served the film’, he said. ‘There are scenes where we’re running Mass and these aren’t actors in the seats. These are God-fearing people who love Pio and you feel it, and it only adds to the stakes’.
Despite the pressure, LaBeouf said that ‘I have never, in the course of my entire career, been on a set where the film felt easier to make’.”
Capuchin Franciscans – Western America Province (https://www.facebook.com/capuchinswest/posts/765820738923419) on Facebook:
“Exciting News!
We are thrilled to share that our dear friend Shia LaBeouf has fully entered the Church this past weekend through the sacrament of confirmation! The Capuchin Franciscan friars are overjoyed to welcome him into the fold and witness his deep commitment to his faith journey.
Shia LaBeouf, known for his incredible talent and passion in the entertainment industry, has embarked on a profound spiritual journey that has led him to embrace the teachings of the Catholic Church. His decision to fully enter the Church is a testament to his sincere desire to grow in his relationship with God and live out the Gospel values.
As Capuchin Franciscans, we believe in the transformative power of faith and the incredible impact it can have on one’s life. We are humbled and grateful to walk alongside Shia as he takes this important step in his spiritual journey.
We invite you to join us in celebrating this momentous occasion and to keep Shia LaBeouf in your prayers as he continues to deepen his faith and seek God’s guidance in his life. May his example inspire others to explore their own spiritual paths and find solace in the loving embrace of the Church.”
The actor found some guidance even in the least expected places, like Hollywood.
Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/shia-labeouf-confirmed-catholic-church-deacon-1235779104/):
“LaBeouf, a product of an interfaith marriage, was raised both Jєωιѕн by his mother and Christian by his father and had both a bar mitzvah and a baptism. The actor has said in previous interviews that he was drawn to Catholicism amid alcoholism and difficulties in his personal life, including a December 2020 lawsuit filed by former girlfriend FKA Twigs, who accused LaBeouf of ‘relentless abuse’, sɛҳuąƖ battery, assault and emotional distress. The trial is tentatively scheduled for Oct. 14.
The actor converted to Catholicism after filming Padre Pio, and told The Hollywood Reporter that Mel Gibson had taken him under his wing and introduced him to things like Latin Mass.
‘[Gibson] was cautious with me. Many years ago, I went to his house and told him to his face that his religious views and politics were a hindrance to his craft. He giggled with grace and told me to read about the Maccabees’ LaBeouf told THR in an interview. ‘As I fell forward, he always remained supportive’.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/amazing-spiritual-quest-shia-labeouf-padre-pio-star/
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It was interesting to see Barron squirm when LaBeouf said that the Tridentine Mass was much better than the NOM. Unforunately, however, Barron got his tentacles around him and sucked him into the Conciliar Church. Too bad a Mel Gibson couldn't have gotten his ear and led him toward Traditional Catholicism, since he obviously seemed inclined in that direction (really didn't seem to like the NOM). Seems like Mel did/does have some relationship with him, so perhaps he could still find a way (and clean up his own life in the process).
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I’m happy that Shia has converted to Catholicism.