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« on: February 07, 2013, 02:12:10 PM »
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  • WARNING: Explicit sɛҳuąƖ material and themes are discussed in this article. Only read it if you have children -- so you can be more convinced that public school is off the table, whatever that means for you and your family.

    And no, God isn't going to work a miracle for you. If you send your boys and girls to public school in Sodom, they are GOING to become corrupted.

    Better to have your children under-educated, or move your family in with relatives, or live poor, or do without all manner of modern conveniences, etc. than have your children lose their souls.

    Right?


    Children and the culture of pornography: 'Boys will ask you every day until you say yes'

    The death of 13-year-old Chevonea Kendall-Bryan has driven the debate on the sɛҳuąƖisation of the young to fever pitch, but what will we do about it?

    By Cole Moreton
    27 Jan 2013

    There is a storm coming. I can feel it as I stand on a street corner in south London, thinking about my daughters. Lily and Rose are both 11 years old. One is crazy about dogs, the other loves owls.
    They are at that tender age when the hormones have begun to stir, and they could be stomping around the room like furious teenagers one minute but snuggling up for a cuddle the next.
    The girls are fast approaching 13, the age that Chevonea Kendall-Bryan was when she leaned out of one of the windows on the fourth floor of a block of flats on this street. A boy she knew was down here on the ground, but this was not Romeo and Juliet. Far from it.
    Chevonea had been pressurised into performing a sex act on him, and he had shared a phone clip of her doing so with all his mates. She threatened to jump from the window if he did not delete it. Then she slipped and fell 60 feet to the ground, dying from massive brain injuries.
    Her mother says she will now campaign against what is happening to young girls in our society. They are certainly under extreme pressure, having to cope with a world more brutal, more demanding and far more overtly sɛҳuąƖ than anything their parents knew.

    “Never before has girlhood been under such a sustained assault – from ads, alcohol marketing, girls’ magazines, sɛҳuąƖly explicit TV programmes and the hard pornography that is regularly accessed in so many teenager’s bedrooms,” says the psychologist Steve Biddulph, currently touring the country to promote a book called Raising Girls.
    It is a follow-up to his best-seller Raising Boys – and they are under pressure too, being led to believe that girls will look and behave like porn stars. Our children are becoming victims of pornification.
    “It is usually girls who are on the receiving end of some pretty degrading stuff,” says Claire Perry MP, who has just been appointed David Cameron’s special adviser on the commercialisation and sɛҳuąƖisation of childhood. “We’ve got young girls being asked to write their names on their boobs and send pictures. Parents would be really shocked to know this is happening in pretty much every school in the country. Our children are growing up in a very sɛҳuąƖised world.”
    So this is the storm my girls will soon face. I can already hear the rumblings. For their sake, I want to know, how bad is it? How widespread? I ask to speak to Mrs Perry, and while I’m waiting for the call back I read a report by the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, which suggests it is very bad indeed. Researchers who carried out an in-depth study of the lives of pupils at two London schools in 2010 say that year eight was when they began to feel confused and overwhelmed by sɛҳuąƖ expectations and demands.
    Claire, who must be 12 or 13, is quoted as saying of the boys in her class: “If they want oral sex, they will ask every single day until you say yes.”
    Kamal, a boy in the same year, says: “Say I got a girlfriend, I would ask her to write my name on her breast and then send it to me and then I would upload it on to Facebook or Bebo or something like that.” The profile picture on his phone, seen by everyone to whom he sends messages, is an image of his girlfriend’s cleavage. Some of the boys at his school have explicit images of up to 30 different girls on their phone. They swap them like we used to swap football cards. If they fancy a girl, they send her a picture of their genitals. As one teenage girl said after the report came out, sending pictures of your body parts is “the new flirting”.
    Boys have always tried their luck, but now they have the technological means to apply pressure, on phones with cameras and messenger networks that no adult ever sees.
    Chloe Combi, a former teacher who began her career in “a pretty posh school”, has written in the Times Educational Supplement about when it goes further: “The hardest conversation I’ve ever had was with a distraught, confused man of about 45. I had to explain to him that we had to exclude from school his seemingly non-abused, non-disturbed, well-loved daughter because she had been caught administering fellatio to a line of young men in the boys’ toilets for cash.”
    Ms Combi went on: “A friend of mine, who teaches at another school (much more posh than mine) said that it had got so bad they had to go on patrol every lunchtime to prevent similar incidents.”
    What is the cause of all this? We need more research, the experts say. But to a dismayed parent, it seems like the horrific result of a massive experiment. Thanks to the internet, our boys and girls are the first children to grow up with free, round-the-clock access to hardcore pornography. Porn has become part of the adult mainstream, colouring everything from advertising to best-selling books like Fifty Shades of Grey. Of course our children are affected.
    Diane Abbott, the shadow public health minister, said last week: “I want to highlight what I believe is the rise of a secret garden, striptease culture in British schools and society, which has been put beyond the control of British families by fast-developing technology, and an increasingly pornified British culture.”
    It starts young, with pencil cases that carry the Playboy bunny logo and Bratz dolls that look like they have just finished a shift at a strip joint. High-heeled shoes are sold to girls at the age of eight, along with knickers bearing slogans that on an adult would be meant to sound saucy. Campaigns by concerned groups like Mumsnet only stop products like these for a while, until new ones are pushed out.
    The pop industry, which aims at hooking kids before they hit puberty, teaches little girls to bump and grind. I’m not a prude, but I have been called one for asking why a 10-year-old was copying the moves in a video in which Rihanna prowls like a dominatrix and sings, “Come on rude boy, boy, can you get it up? Come on rude boy, boy, is you big enough?”
    Working backwards, Rihanna is inverting the more extreme imagery used by some male hip hop stars, whose videos effectively show women as sex slaves. They, in turn, offer a polished version of the behaviour in hardcore porn, which is only a click away, on imitations of YouTube.
    It’s not hidden behind a paywall, it’s free. And you don’t even have to claim to be 18 to watch it. This is not the cheesy porn on the newsagent’s top shelf, which was all we could get our hands on when I was a boy. The extreme, violent stuff our children can see so easily now would make a Seventies porn star blush. Or throw up.
    The ubiquity of such material has shifted the understanding of what is normal. Three-quarters of teachers surveyed for the TES last year said they believed access to porn was having a “damaging effect” on pupils. One said girls were dressing like “inflatable plastic dolls” while another said some pupils “couldn’t get to sleep without watching porn”.
    However, there is also disturbing evidence that hardcore pornography has become so commonplace that some children see it as “mundane”. The pioneering NSPCC study in 2010 found that watching professional porn was seen by boys as a sign of desperation. They would rather watch – and circulate – home-made porn shots on phones with girls they knew.
    This is part of the phenomenon called sexting, the exchange of sɛҳuąƖ messages or images by text, smartphones and social networking sites. Chevonea Kendall-Bryan was a victim of it, and worse. She had been bullied by boys since the age of 11, a coroner heard earlier this month. At 13, she was forced to perform a sex act on an 18-year-old after a party. A boy of 15 later demanded the same treatment – or he would smash the windows of her south London home. When she obeyed, he filmed her on his phone and shared the clip around her school.
    sɛҳuąƖ pressure can cause girls to contemplate ѕυιcιdє, self-harm, develop eating disorders, or try to lose themselves in drugs or alcohol. But does sexting only happen in the most troubled inner-city schools? No, says Prof Andy Phippen of Plymouth University, who led his own research in Cornwall, Somerset and Devon. “I’ve been into all kinds of schools – including inner city, rural and semi-rural – and I can’t remember a single one where sexting was not an issue,” he says. “It’s not a class thing either. I visit elite schools, and the kids there talk about it just as much.”
    However, it is important to say that children may be telling the truth if they insist they have never come across it. Estimates of those affected range from 15 to 40 per cent of pupils, depending on where you are. And when I speak to Claire Perry, she admits: “The answer is we don’t know. I think it is a growing problem. My sense is that even in the nicest, leafiest part of the country, this is something that children are doing.”
    Hadn’t we better find out? “Yes. That is why it is good that the debate is happening. Bullying has always taken place, but technology means we have given our children a space where there are no adult eyeballs watching. We have to do something about that. I expect there will be lots of difficult conversations this weekend.”
    Over the past few days, she has been accused of being a snooper, after suggesting that parents should read their children’s texts and emails. “If your child was going out with somebody you thought was taking drugs, you would feel you had the right to intervene. Somehow, we don’t feel we have the right to do that in the online world. We are on the back foot. But I think that this week’s reaction shows that parents do want to be able to do this.”
    Her first job, though, is to focus on the internet. Last year, Mr Cameron backed an “opt-in” system to block adult content on home computers. The idea has now been dropped, however. A consultation showed that the majority of people thought it too draconian, admits Mrs Perry – but she is now working with internet service providers on a series of changes, including a block on adult content on public Wi-Fi. In the home, customers will have to verify that they are over 18 and want access to adult content, or else restrictions will apply. “You will have to say, 'I don’t want that filter.’ Once we have this, we will lead the world in online child safety.”
    All of which is fine, except it won’t do a thing about sexting. In any case, technologically savvy boys like my 15-year-old will find a way round it if they want to. Of course, he will seek out pictures of people having sex. Boys do. I’m just scared of the effects of the tsunami of hardcore he must see any time he tries. As Claire Perry says: “Porn is a terrible sɛҳuąƖ educator and that is not where our children should be getting their information.”
    As for his sisters, I shudder. I don’t want them to live in a world in which romance means boy meets girl, boy sends a picture of his genitals. Lily and Rose are not their real names, by the way. I’m that afraid of their being drawn in. We clearly need to talk, awkward as it may be.
    As adults, we also have to be clear where the blame lies. I’m reminded of that as I travel home to hug the girls, and a text arrives from a 14-year-old friend of the family. Responding to the call to talk about the pressure she’s under, she texts: “DON’T bash the kids. We don’t sell porn. Grown-ups do. YOU FIX IT!!!!”
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    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 03:38:13 PM »
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  • Many thanks for this. Some action should be taken. It was only last night actually I was thinking on the idea of countering music festivals with an effective leaflet.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 03:47:03 PM »
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  • Liz O Donnell was a TD/Member Parliament for the now defunct 'Progressive Democrats'. Their leader Mary Harney once proposed the idea of giving the so called 'morning after pill' contraceptive to 11 year olds. Harney was the Minister for Health.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/liz-odonnell-lumleys-words-of-warning-a-wakeup-call-for-parents-of-teenage-drinkers-29025062.html
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    Liz O’Donnell: Lumley's words of warning a wake-up call for parents of teenage drinkers

    30 JANUARY 2013

    "Don't be sick in the gutter . . . in a silly dress with no money to get a taxi home, because someone will take advantage of you. Either they'll rape you, or they'll knock you on the head, or they'll rob you. Don't look like trash, don't get drunk, don't be sick down your front, and don't break your heels and stagger about in the wrong clothes at midnight. This is bad."

    IN AN interview with the 'Daily Telegraph' last week, actress Joanna Lumley of 'Absolutely Fabulous' fame gave that robust advice to young women. For her sins, she was excoriated and accused of snobbery and blaming young women for inviting rape. In fairness, coming from Patsy Stone, the notorious boozer she plays in 'Ab Fab', such admonition might seem a bit rich, but the actress makes a valid point. In her defence, Lumley claims she meant it to be "kindly" advice. I believe her and will not shoot the messenger.

    Anyone who has had cause to be in Dublin city centre or urban villages around the capital and elsewhere on weekend nights will have witnessed scenes involving young women exactly as described by Lumley.

    Few of us grown-ups are plaster saints when it comes to getting drunk; Irish culture has normalised heavy drinking, traditionally by men. But as the recent RTE2 TV programme 'Merlot And Me' revealed, Irish women are increasingly boozing way above our physical capacity and at levels which are downright dangerous.

    So our daughters have not grown up with great role models in this regard. Nevertheless, however much on the back foot we find ourselves, we have a responsibility to warn young girls about the dangers of binge drinking and the reckless behaviour, including underage sɛҳuąƖ activity, that it promotes.

    Even self-proclaimed liberals like me are queasy about the early sɛҳuąƖisation of girls – the padded bras and micro mini-skirted 12 and 13-year-olds frequently to be seen tottering around suburban teenage discos looking like gangs of street walkers.

    Most are not drunk, but the sight of them makes one wonder about what is going on with these girls and the junk culture they appear to be acting out.

    Why are so many young girls angry to the point of needing therapy? How does one explain the growing incidence of eating disorders, teenage ѕυιcιdє and self-mutilation? Why do so many young girls bully others and claim to hate their loving parents?

    Could it be that life has become harder, not easier, for girls despite greater equality?

    In theory, young women should enjoy a confident life without limits, given protective equality legislation and increased participation in education and career opportunities.

    But it's amazing how many girls can combine weekend binge drinking and the rest with high educational performance.

    Adolescence has always been traumatic for boys and girls, and we all recall our own tantrums and misdemeanours. But youngsters these days navigate a very complex world. Girls are coming of age in a much more sɛҳuąƖised and media-saturated culture. The celebrity-obsessed TV and magazines which inform so much of their lives and conversation compete with the demands of school work.

    Most teenage girls are on social media sites such as Facebook, often without adult oversight. Many parents are frustrated and unable to challenge the tyranny of their children when it comes to their access to cyberspace.

    Judging by the clamour of mothers phoning radio programmes to share stories of teenage cyber abuse, self-harm and even ѕυιcιdє ideation of their children, parents are desperately seeking some direction.

    They struggle to help their children experience the pain and pathology of adolescence. Where social media is concerned the research is relatively new, but all the signs are that cyber-bullying and addiction are real problems for teenagers.

    In her bestselling book, 'Reviving Ophelia . . . Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls', which predates social media, American psychologist Dr Mary Pipher chronicles case studies and offers suggestions to parents on strategies to revive the lost "sense of self", which can be so common in adolescent girls.

    In the 1960s, Betty Friedan had called this emotional and behavioural malaise "the problem with no name".

    WHEN it comes to boys, and young men in particular, there is widespread dismay, but there are at last moves for effective action to deal with chronic rates of youth ѕυιcιdє on both sides of the Border.

    How can we best protect the emotional and mental health of our young people without unduly compromising their need for independence and autonomy? More access to empathy, counselling and mental health services is vital.

    But the inconvenient truth is that most Irish teenagers are seasoned drinkers before they reach their 18th birthday.

    There is no denying a strong link between alcohol and the act of ѕυιcιdє. To make a real dent in those ѕυιcιdє rates, zero tolerance of under-age drinking is required by all of us.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 03:52:11 PM »
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  • A few years ago E. Michael Jones gave a talk in Dublin. It covered much of what is discussed on this thread.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 06:32:42 PM »
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  • That's pretty bad. Strengthened my resolve to homeschool though.

    I listened to Alan Watt say that Bertrand Russel did an experiment in England at an elementary school where they encouraged children to become sɛҳuąƖ active, they found out that when kids become sɛҳuąƖ active at a young age they are never able to bond permanently with a partner. Watt is not that reliable but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 06:45:10 PM »
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    Many thanks for this. Some action should be taken. It was only last night actually I was thinking on the idea of countering music festivals with an effective leaflet.


    Kind of curious, but what would you say?

    I personally know people who gladly fork over close to 4-digits in cash to attend the Coachella Music Festival every year, then periodically fly to Chicago for Lame-o-palooza.  It seems so utterly wasteful.

    Now, I also know the type of people who attend these festivals and they're so utterly self-absorbed and so utterly sure of themselves and their level of intelligence that they will just automatically reject or trash anything that has a whiff of scripture.

    So what angle does one go in at to get through to them?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 06:50:52 PM »
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    That's pretty bad. Strengthened my resolve to homeschool though.


    That doesn't stop anything though. Chldren still have the Internet even if they don't go to public schools. Also once they leave your house they are vulnerable to adults pressuring them to have sex and look at pornography, such as your co-workers at work, an experience I know about first-hand.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 07:00:28 PM »
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  • Catholic teaching opposes the secular public schooling, coeducation, etc.

    It stands to reason sending your children into a den of perdition is forbidden.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 07:32:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Catholic teaching opposes the secular public schooling, coeducation, etc.

    It stands to reason sending your children into a den of perdition is forbidden.


    Yeah what public schools teach is bad but then again so do the 1940's and 1950's movies you like to watch, so does the Internet you are on right now, so does the television when you flip it on, so does the music, etc. One cannot just attack a symptom of a disease, one must attack the entire disease, and that is our entire culture. Our entire culture can give the boy (and girl) sɛҳuąƖ thoughts before they should have no knowledge of such things.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 07:36:21 PM »
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  • Yes, but we can keep TV out of our home, as well as rock music, etc.

    Parents shouldn't give children their own computer or TV set. Those things, if you have them at all, should be in a public room ONLY. Ditto for cell phones -- maybe the whole family might have one for the car or emergencies -- but you wouldn't imagine a child using the "family phone" for naughty business. It would be too easy for other family members to find out.

    And temptations "in the world" such as from co-workers are a whole different story -- they are experienced by those OLD ENOUGH TO LEGALLY WORK. An adult has much stronger virtues, Faith, personality, and maturity than any 11-year-old would possess.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 07:40:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Novus Weirdo
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    Many thanks for this. Some action should be taken. It was only last night actually I was thinking on the idea of countering music festivals with an effective leaflet.
    Kind of curious, but what would you say? I personally know people who gladly fork over close to 4-digits in cash to attend the Coachella Music Festival every year, then periodically fly to Chicago for Lame-o-palooza. It seems so utterly wasteful. Now, I also know the type of people who attend these festivals and they're so utterly self-absorbed and so utterly sure of themselves and their level of intelligence that they will just automatically reject or trash anything that has a whiff of scripture. So what angle does one go in at to get through to them?


    Slightly off topic, but I think there is no sense attacking the branches of evil without restoring the force that kept these evils at bay for the last 1900 years.

    1. We have to get more focused, traditionalists in general seem to waste a lot of time arguing.

    2. What kind of message will people accept, and what are the most important things that should be conveyed?

     3. Most people are goners, but there are some decent people out there. Where do we find them?

    I have been thinking a lot about this lately, I'm in Korea now but will likely move back to NA soon. My first idea was pamphlets outside Novus Ordo Churches (actually I might start calling them Nervous Weirdo Churches now). Do that, but get it on film and try to engage a few people. Ask them if they know that the mass they are attending was produced in part by protestant ministers and other questions. So, once there is some decent footage upload it onto youtube, make note of your geographical area and let people know how many of the Nervous Weirdo Parishes you have delivered your pamphlets too. Then perhaps a loosely knit network will arise, not unlike the We Are Change group, that will do the same in their localities. There are decent people in those Churches, how many graces will be in store for us in Heaven if we are able to turn just a few of them around?

    Additional Plan, Take a Nervous Weirdo seminary student out for lunch. Gather some material, The Problems with the New Mass is a good book, plus maybe a DVD or two. Try to plant some seeds in his mind. I'd say converting a seminary student is worth about 20 laymen, plus he will share his information with the other seminarians. Your name is hilarious Novus Weirdo!


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    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 07:45:59 PM »
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    Yes, but we can keep TV out of our home, as well as rock music, etc.

    Parents shouldn't give children their own computer or TV set. Those things, if you have them at all, should be in a public room ONLY. Ditto for cell phones -- maybe the whole family might have one for the car or emergencies -- but you wouldn't imagine a child using the "family phone" for naughty business. It would be too easy for other family members to find out.

    And temptations "in the world" such as from co-workers are a whole different story -- they are experienced by those OLD ENOUGH TO LEGALLY WORK. An adult has much stronger virtues, Faith, personality, and maturity than any 11-year-old would possess.


    Isn't the real problem though that the government does nothing to regulate the satanic American culture? In  a truly moral society Disney would be out of business by now.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 06:56:14 AM »
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  • Though we do have television, we have only one computer with internet access.  The other one is for the kids to use for school and for a few computer games.  I haven't figured out why children need access to the internet for school because they seem to be doing just fine without it.  We also have no internet-capable phones or even phones that can send or receive photos, but the kids don't have their own phone anyway.  The family has only one email address, so if friends send them an email, it comes to the family inbox where it is distributed by me into the child's personal inbox.  No Facebook or other anti-social websites here.

    But, back on topic, from what I've read in the local paper, it seems that this kind of thing (not the death, but the sex) happens everywhere, including "conservative" Indiana.  Furthermore, every couple of years it seems some similar scandal occurs at the archdiocesan "Catholic" high schools.  And, frankly, of the few (i.e., a dozen or so over the years) of students of the "Catholic" high schools I've met, they are not only completely ignorant of the faith but highly sɛҳuąƖized as well.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 08:44:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Thursday
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    Many thanks for this. Some action should be taken. It was only last night actually I was thinking on the idea of countering music festivals with an effective leaflet.
    Kind of curious, but what would you say? I personally know people who gladly fork over close to 4-digits in cash to attend the Coachella Music Festival every year, then periodically fly to Chicago for Lame-o-palooza. It seems so utterly wasteful. Now, I also know the type of people who attend these festivals and they're so utterly self-absorbed and so utterly sure of themselves and their level of intelligence that they will just automatically reject or trash anything that has a whiff of scripture. So what angle does one go in at to get through to them?


    Slightly off topic, but I think there is no sense attacking the branches of evil without restoring the force that kept these evils at bay for the last 1900 years.

    1. We have to get more focused, traditionalists in general seem to waste a lot of time arguing.

    2. What kind of message will people accept, and what are the most important things that should be conveyed?

     3. Most people are goners, but there are some decent people out there. Where do we find them?

    I have been thinking a lot about this lately, I'm in Korea now but will likely move back to NA soon. My first idea was pamphlets outside Novus Ordo Churches (actually I might start calling them Nervous Weirdo Churches now). Do that, but get it on film and try to engage a few people. Ask them if they know that the mass they are attending was produced in part by protestant ministers and other questions. So, once there is some decent footage upload it onto youtube, make note of your geographical area and let people know how many of the Nervous Weirdo Parishes you have delivered your pamphlets too. Then perhaps a loosely knit network will arise, not unlike the We Are Change group, that will do the same in their localities. There are decent people in those Churches, how many graces will be in store for us in Heaven if we are able to turn just a few of them around?

    Additional Plan, Take a Nervous Weirdo seminary student out for lunch. Gather some material, The Problems with the New Mass is a good book, plus maybe a DVD or two. Try to plant some seeds in his mind. I'd say converting a seminary student is worth about 20 laymen, plus he will share his information with the other seminarians. Your name is hilarious Novus Weirdo!


    I certainly agree of attacking the roots of the evils.

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    In  a truly moral society Disney would be out of business by now.


    Indeed. With the correct approach it would be closed within a week.