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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2019, 05:46:05 PM »
Can.  1098 A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by maliceperpetrated to obtain consentconcerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life.


I would have to think that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity qualifies.

Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2019, 05:57:22 PM »
How many turn ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ because they just have to be validated sɛҳuąƖly. It's like "well, I don't really enjoy grilling chicken, but I like fire so I think I must be called to burn houses down." Every ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ act is homicidal.
Not many.
I think most normal men find the idea of any sort of sɛҳuąƖ activity with another man disgusting.
I'd no sooner have an inclination to be "validated" by a man than by a dog.
What might happen is that people get their brains wired up wrong in youth.  The onslaught of media today is relentless.  Then there are perverts and some people seem to just have a preference for being evil.  They want to be evil.
Frankly, it is a completely mystery to me.  It's like cooking a nice steak and marinating it in poop.  What on earth is the point?
I see ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity like I see modern art as a deliberate rebellion against what is beautiful and good just for the sake of pride and stabbing at good.
The new mass is the same thing.  It's deliberately shitty and stupid and banal.  If the new mass was all there was I would lapse.  It's just utter turgid cobblers.


You see this at kids parties sometimes.  20 kids are having a great time and one kid just comes in and wrecks the game for the delight of being evil and different and rebellious.

Diabolical disorientation.


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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2019, 05:58:21 PM »
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If ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are unsuitable to be priests, then how are they suitable to be husbands and fathers of children?

It depends if they were an outright, practicing homo or just someone with inclinations and effeminacy.  These types of people, either way, are unsuitable for both priesthood and marriage, but...someone who has just "inclinations" is not necessarily prohibited from these sacraments.  What I mean is that such inclinations/temptations aren't impediments, sacramentally speaking.  Though we all know, in practice, these traits are a disaster.  That's why you prepare in seminary for 6 years and why you date - to be on the lookout for timebombs.

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I would imagine, if it is grounds, it would be based on hiding a material fact from the spouse which is critical to the primary purpose of marriage. 
If he were a practicing homo before and after marriage, then probably grounds since he didn't have any intention to be faithful.  But if he did want to stay faithful, but she just found out about his inclinations later, even if he had cheated on her, then I don't see how it could be annulled.  A seminarian in the same situation would be a valid priest, it's just that in former days, were his inclinations to be found out, he'd be "retired" to either an ecclesiastical prison or a monastery on some island.


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 Much like a man who lied about being a baptised Catholic got married on that basis and then later admitted he was a fraud.
That's different, because it's a noted impediment to marriage.


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Let's imagine a man was a convicted paedophile got out of jail and hid that from his future wife.  Surely that would be ground for an annulment.  He hoodwinked her.  As I understand it you cannot hoodwink a person into marriage.
As bad as that is, immorality isn't an impediment to marriage.  Prayer and due diligence would have these items surface before marriage, as God has promised.

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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2019, 06:04:15 PM »

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Can.  1098 A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by maliceperpetrated to obtain consentconcerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life.


I would have to think that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity qualifies.
Yes, agree, if the person had no intentions of halting his disordered life.  "Malice" is the key word.  If the homo wants to get married so he can turn his life around, that's not malicious.  It might be a poor plan of action, or hopeful thinking with no realistic chance of happening, but I wouldn't say it's deceitful.  But most people who are impure often lie, so maybe deceit is part of it?  It's uber-complicated.  Malice would have to be proven somehow.

Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2019, 06:05:06 PM »
Due diligence?

Who here ran their spouse through the criminal records bureau for a check before marrying them?

My wife told me she was doing a PhD and working for LukOil.   I believed her.

If she was a skilled con-artist she could easily have hoodwinked me.

People get conned all the time, because we operate on trust.  We only check people out when we have good reasons to be suspicious.