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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 08:13:11 AM »
Since most people contracept the above scenarios will usually involve a spouse who is anti-sex (sees sex as dirty or sinful), or does not want children, or bizarrely wants to obey the churches teaching on contraception, but not honour their marriage vows/debt.  And I've seen this very thing happen.

Since Catholics aren't supposed to be fornicating before marriage, what signs are there, in your experience, that your fiancee might be disinclined?

What happens if a woman marries a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, for example, and he consummates the marriage and then spends the rest of the evenings on his work or hobbies?  I know a Polish woman with one daughter that this happened to.

I guess a woman should be looking for a man she has to push away and set limits but who equally has the self-control to be pushed away and respects her for it.  What does a man look for in a woman and how does he know the difference between a frigid ice-maiden and a well brought up Catholic lady?

Once you marry and find you have made a mistake you are in for a world of hurt.

So how does one avoid mistakes?

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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 08:54:42 AM »
Sounds basic, but maybe bring it up in conversation?

Maybe that's the problem -- Sex is such a taboo in some circles, that even engaged couples don't bring up the topic.

For our marriage we had a very good priest (Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer -- not to be confused with his brother, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer!) and he really did his job in this area as well. You could tell he wasn't comfortable talking about such things (e.g., describing what is licit within marriage and what is not), but there's nothing that man wouldn't do to execute his priestly duties faithfully and well. I still admire him for it. He is a zealous apostle. We were blessed to have him as our priest for 1 year.

He also had us read a good pre-Vatican II book, "The Catholic Marriage Manual" which covered a lot of subjects that trip up many couples and destroy many marriages: sex, in-laws, money, discipline, you name it.

It gave us, while engaged, some useful profitable topics to talk about. Fortunately, we were on the same page in these areas. But it's not quite that simple. We also learned a thing or two. To this day, I still have a healthy caution for "in-law interference in a marriage" since reading that book. It's good to know where the dangers lie, so you can be cautious.


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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 09:04:23 AM »
IMO, complete abstinence for the sake of avoiding children would be wrong.  St. John Vianney spoke of the women who would go to hell for not having the children that God intended for them to have.  Now, it's always been allowed ... for NOBLE motives, e.g. to do penance or seek perfection, by mutual consent ... but simply to avoid having more children?  I doubt that's legit.

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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 09:17:28 AM »
IMO, complete abstinence for the sake of avoiding children would be wrong.  St. John Vianney spoke of the women who would go to hell for not having the children that God intended for them to have.  Now, it's always been allowed ... for NOBLE motives, e.g. to do penance or seek perfection, by mutual consent ... but simply to avoid having more children?  I doubt that's legit.

Yes, though I would say abstinence to avoid children is at least in line with nature, whereas artificial contraception goes against nature. So the person would have a more comfortable place in Hell. But it's still Hell!

St. John Vianney is absolutely right, too. "Women shall be saved through childbearing." What of the woman who willfully decides not to have children, even though she is married and God (through His providence) has made NO suggestion that she shouldn't have children? Such a one is lost.

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Re: Sexless marriages and very small families
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 09:21:09 AM »
This is why men AND women BOTH must be taught discipline: a.k.a. mortification, how to work, how to do that which you don't want to do, etc.

After "loving and fearing God", if there's one other thing I want to make sure to teach my children, it's that. All virtue and goodness hinges on that.