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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: MaterDominici on May 08, 2011, 11:45:16 PM
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Saint John Vianney (Cure of Ars) wrote this when he signed his name to a clerical petition. His fellow priests circulated a petition accusing St. Vianney of sensationalism, ignorance, and ostentatious poverty and austerities. As it was addressed to all clergy, St. Vianney got a hold of it, read it, and promptly signed it. By 1834 the local priests themselves were going to St. Vianney for confession.
The seventeen evidences of a lack of humility are:
1. To think that what one says or does is better than what others say or do
2. To always want to get your own way
3. To argue with stubbornness and bad manners whether you are right or wrong
4. To give your opinion when it has not been requested or when charity does not demand it
5. To look down on another's point of view
6. Not to look on your gifts and abilities as lent
7. Not to recognize that you are unworthy of all honors and esteem, not even of the earth you walk on and things you possess
8. To use yourself as an example in conversations
9. To speak badly of yourself so that others will think well of you or contradict you
10. To excuse yourself when you are corrected
11. To hide humiliating faults from your spiritual director, so that he will not change the impression he has of you
12. To take pleasure in praise and compliments
13. To be saddened because others are held in higher esteem
14. To refuse to perform inferior tasks
15. To seek to stand out to increase your reputation and status
16. To refer in conversation to your honesty, genius, dexterity, or professional prestige
17. To be ashamed because you lack certain goods
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Yikes- There are more than a few which I exude ! Thank you for this! I will pray for more humility :pray:
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Ouch! :pray: I still have so much pride that it makes me feel bad to recognize those traits in myself! It embarrasses me to notice my continued lack of perfection and that's stretching it quite a bit! I'm nowhere NEAR where I need to be to avoid Purgatory and for a long time too! :scared2:
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This wonderful docuŠ¼ent should be in the Library. Where did you find it?
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Yikes- There are more than a few which I exude!
Seventeen? LOL!
Most of us have many of these tendencies at one time or another...
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Yikes- There are more than a few which I exude!
Seventeen? LOL!
Most of us have many of these tendencies at one time or another...
Ha ha... sadly- almost all 17.... or would the humble answer be "yes"? :wink:
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"12. To take pleasure in praise and compliments"
As the voting system here risks cultivating.
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Hmm... so Stevus can definitely scratch this off his list eh?! lol JK mr Stevus! :cheers:
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This wonderful docuŠ¼ent should be in the Library. Where did you find it?
"PlainCatholic" (.blogspot.com) had it posted on her blog.
It can go in the Library too, but thought it better for discussion first.
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This book is pure gold:
Humility of Heart (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895557665/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=httpwwwchanco-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0895557665)
Excellent sermons on humility:
Very Little Reverence, Very Little Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090913-Very-Little-Reverence-Very-Little-Humility.html)
Pray with Humility and Pray Always (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20040808-Pray-with-Humility-and-Pray-Always.html)
The Virtue of Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030121-The-Virtue-of-Humility.html)
Learn of Me Because I Am Meek and Humble of Heart (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20040919-Learn-of-Me-Because-I-Am-Meek-and-Humble-of-Heart.html)
Conquer Your Inner Pharisee With Humility and Meekness (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090809-Conquer-Your-Inner-Pharisee-With-Humility-and-Meekness.html)
Pride Will Damn Us, Humility Will Sanctify and Save Us (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090809-Pride-Will-Damn-Us-Humility-Will-Sanctify-and-Save-Us.html)
Salvation with Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20050123-Salvation-with-Humility.html)
Humility Is the Key to Happiness and Holiness (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20100912-Humility-Is-the-Key-to-Happiness-and-Holiness.html)
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I give you a thumbs up because I appreciate the resources you've provided for us.
Not so much praising you, but rather saying "thank you" :smile:
(so, don't let it go to your head! :wink:)
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:shocked:
hehehehe....
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This book is pure gold:
Humility of Heart (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895557665/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=httpwwwchanco-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0895557665)
Excellent sermons on humility:
Very Little Reverence, Very Little Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090913-Very-Little-Reverence-Very-Little-Humility.html)
Pray with Humility and Pray Always (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20040808-Pray-with-Humility-and-Pray-Always.html)
The Virtue of Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030121-The-Virtue-of-Humility.html)
Learn of Me Because I Am Meek and Humble of Heart (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20040919-Learn-of-Me-Because-I-Am-Meek-and-Humble-of-Heart.html)
Conquer Your Inner Pharisee With Humility and Meekness (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090809-Conquer-Your-Inner-Pharisee-With-Humility-and-Meekness.html)
Pride Will Damn Us, Humility Will Sanctify and Save Us (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090809-Pride-Will-Damn-Us-Humility-Will-Sanctify-and-Save-Us.html)
Salvation with Humility (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20050123-Salvation-with-Humility.html)
Humility Is the Key to Happiness and Holiness (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20100912-Humility-Is-the-Key-to-Happiness-and-Holiness.html)
That book sounds interesting, do you have any quotes from it?
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i like those, but what doe going to the bathroom have to with being corrected?
and wht does this mean:
6. Not to look on your gifts and abilities as lent
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That book sounds interesting, do you have any quotes from it?
Not at the moment. But I assure you that this book is pure gold. I can't recommend it highly enough. I first learned of it through a very holy traditional priest. I heard a different priest allude to it just the other day.
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and wht does this mean:
6. Not to look on your gifts and abilities as lent
It's a sign of pride not to recognize that one's resources and talents are gifts of God. In other words, a humble person recognizes his resources and talents as gifts from God.
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"True happiness on earth consists in being forgotten and in remaining completely ignorant of created things."
St. Therese of Lisieux
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That book sounds interesting, do you have any quotes from it?
Not at the moment. But I assure you that this book is pure gold. I can't recommend it highly enough. I first learned of it through a very holy traditional priest. I heard a different priest allude to it just the other day.
If anyone is inclined to purchase, might I recommend this fine Catholic retailer? :smile:
https://www.chantcd.com/catholic.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/47/keywords/humility+heart/
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It's on my 'to buy in the future' list. :)
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and wht does this mean:
6. Not to look on your gifts and abilities as lent
It's a sign of pride not to recognize that one's resources and talents are gifts of God. In other words, a humble person recognizes his resources and talents as gifts from God.
if god look in the mirror and say "i am great, i am beutiful, i am the the best" he is not sinning, just telling the truth. cuase he the source. nothing above him. but if we look in mirror and say those thing we are sinning because we get whatever good from him. we take part thorugh free will, but he the source
can i hear an "amen"?
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'Self-love is so subtle a robber that it commits its thefts, even upon God himself, without fear or shame, employing his goods as if they were its own, and assigning as a reason that it cannot live without them. And this robbery is hidden under so many veils of apparent good that it can hardly be detected except by the penetrating light of true love, which always desires to remain uncovered and bare, both in heaven and earth, because it has nothing shameful to conceal.
And, therefore, self-love never understands the nature of pure love; for pure love sees not how the things which it knows as they are in truth could possibly be possessed or appropriated; nothing would displease it so much as to find anything which it could call its own; the reason of this is that pure love sees not, nor can it ever see, anything but truth itself, which, being by its nature communicable to all, can never be monopolized by any. Self-love, on the other hand, is in itself an obstacle to truth, and neither believes it nor beholds it, but rather, confiding in itself, holds truth as an enemy and an alien.'
St. Catherine of Genoa
From what I understand thankfulness, gratitude for God's gifts is one of the secrets of happiness. Because there He is.
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And even if He doesn't grant our wishes, we should still return our thanks and gratitude to Him for what we have. Happiness consists also of suffering for God. After all, He knows what's best for ourselves since He is our Creator and God.
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Bump.
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CHAPTER VIII
How while St. Francis and Friar Leo were on a journey, he expounded unto him those things which are perfect joy
ONCE when St. Francis was coming from Perugia to Santa Maria degli Angeli with Friar Leo in the winter, and the very great cold vexed him sore, he called Friar Leo, who was going before, and spake after this manner: "Friar Leo, albeit the minor friars in every land set a great example of holiness and of good edification, nevertheless, write and note diligently that therein is not perfect joy". And when St. Francis had gone farther, he called unto him the second time: "O Friar Leo, although the minor friar should give sight to the blind, make straight the crooked, cast out devils, make the deaf to hear, the lame to walk, and the dumb to speak, and, what is a greater thing, should raise those who have been dead four days; write that therein is not perfect joy". Going a little farther, he shouted loudly: "O Friar
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[paragraph continues] Leo, if the minor friar knew all tongues, and all sciences, and all the Scriptures, so that he was able to prophesy and to reveal not only things to come but also the secrets of consciences and souls; write that therein is not perfect joy". Going a little farther, St. Francis yet again shouted loudly: "O Friar Leo, little sheep of God, albeit the minor friar should speak with the tongue of angels, and knew the courses of the stars and the virtues of herbs, and albeit all the treasures of the earth were revealed to him and he knew the virtues of birds and of fishes and of all animals and of men, of trees, of stones and of roots and of waters; write that therein is not perfect joy". And going yet farther a certain space, St. Francis shouted loudly: "O Friar Leo, although the minor friar should know to preach so well that he should convert all the infidels to the faith of Christ; write that therein is not perfect joy". And this manner of speech continuing for full two miles, Friar Leo, with great wonder, asked and said: Father, I pray thee in the name of God to tell me wherein is perfect joy". And St. Francis answered him: "When we shall be at Santa Maria degli Angeli, thus soaked by the rain, and frozen by the cold, and befouled with mud, and afflicted with hunger, and shall knock at the door of the Place, and the doorkeeper shall come in anger and shall say: 'Who are ye?' and we shall say: 'We are two of your friars,' and he shall say: 'Ye speak not truth; rather are ye two lewd fellows who go about deceiving the world and robbing the alms of the poor: get you hence'; and shall not open unto us, but shall make us stay outside in the snow and rain, cold and hungry, even until night; then, if we shall bear such great wrong and such cruelty and such rebuffs patiently, without disquieting ourselves and without murmuring
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against him; and shall think humbly and charitably that that door-keeper really believes us to be that which he has called us, and that God makes him speak against us; O Friar Leo, write that here is perfect joy. And if we persevere in knocking, and he shall come forth enraged and shall drive us away with insults and with buffetings, as importunate rascals, saying, 'Get you hence, vilest of petty thieves, go to the hospice. Here ye shall neither eat nor lodge.' If we shall bear this patiently and with joy and love; O Friar Leo write that herein is perfect joy. And if, constrained by hunger and by cold and by the night, we shall continue to knock and shall call and beseech for the love of God, with great weeping, that he open unto us and let us in, and he, greatly offended thereat, shall say: 'These be importunate rascals; I will pay them well as they deserve,' and shall come forth with a knotty club and take us by the cowl, and shall throw us on the ground and roll us in the snow and shall cudgel us pitilessly with that club; if we shall bear all these things patiently and with cheerfulness, thinking on the sufferings of Christ the blessed, the which we ought to bear patiently for His love; O Friar Leo, write that here and in this is perfect joy; and therefore hear the conclusion, Friar Leo; above all the graces and gifts of the Holy Spirit, which Christ grants to His friends, is that of self-conquest and of willingly bearing sufferings, injuries and reproaches and discomforts for the love of Christ; because in all the other gifts of God we cannot glory, inasmuch as they are not ours, but of God; whence the Apostle saith: What hast thou that thou didst not receive from God! and if thou didst receive it from Him, wherefore dost thou glory therein as if thou hadst it of thyself! But in the cross of tribulation and of affliction
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we may glory, because this is our own; and therefore the Apostle saith: I would not glory save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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The seventeen evidences of a lack of humility are:
1. To think that what one says or does is better than what others say or do
2. To always want to get your own way
3. To argue with stubbornness and bad manners whether you are right or wrong
4. To give your opinion when it has not been requested or when charity does not demand it
5. To look down on another's point of view
6. Not to look on your gifts and abilities as lent
7. Not to recognize that you are unworthy of all honors and esteem, not even of the earth you walk on and things you possess
8. To use yourself as an example in conversations
9. To speak badly of yourself so that others will think well of you or contradict you
10. To excuse yourself when you are corrected
11. To hide humiliating faults from your spiritual director, so that he will not change the impression he has of you
12. To take pleasure in praise and compliments
13. To be saddened because others are held in higher esteem
14. To refuse to perform inferior tasks
15. To seek to stand out to increase your reputation and status
16. To refer in conversation to your honesty, genius, dexterity, or professional prestige
17. To be ashamed because you lack certain goods
:reading:
Check... check... check.... check... check... check.... check... check...
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It's been posted often before, but I dont think it can ever get old.
LITANY OF HUMILITY
O Jesus! meek and humble of heart, hear me
From the desire of being esteemed,
From the desire of being loved,
From the desire of being extolled,
From the desire of being honored,
From the desire of being praised,
From the desire of being preferred,
From the desire of being consulted,
From the desire of being approved,
Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being humiliated,
From the fear of being despised,
From the fear of suffering rebukes,
From the fear of being calumniated,
From the fear of being forgotten,
From the fear of being ridiculed,
From the fear of being wronged,
From the fear of being suspected,
Deliver me, Jesus.
That others may be loved more than I,
That others may be esteemed more than I,
That in the opinion of the world, others may increase, and I may decrease,
That others may be chosen and I set aside,
That others may be praised and I unnoticed,
That others may be preferred to me in everything,
That others become holier than I, provided I become as holy as I should,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.
Amen.
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8. To use yourself as an example in conversations
I never do that.
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8. To use yourself as an example in conversations
I never do that.
Really? I do. :wink:
:laugh1:
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Wow, these seventeen signs of a lack of humility are like my unauthorized biography!
A tangent apropos to the topic: In the Roman Missal (Missae propriae quae in aliquibus locis celebrari possunt) there is a Mass for the Feast of the Humility of Blessed Mary the Virgin (17 July), which John Patrick Crichton-Stuart, 3rd Marquess of Bute, has as the "Lowliness of the Blessed Virgin Mary" for 12 May in an appendix in his translation of the Roman Breviary. Here is the Collect as he translates it:
O God, Who knowest the proud from afar and hast respect unto the lowly, grant unto us Thy servants that we may ever copy with pure thoughts the lowliness of blessed Mary always a Virgin, who by her maidenhood was pleasant in the sight of our Lord Jesus Christ Thy Son, and in her lowliness did conceive the same, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee, in the unity' of the Holy Ghost, one God, world without end. Amen.
Attached is the text of the Office as translated by the Marquess of Bute.
Enjoy!
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I would just comment - going along actively or passively with untruths is never humility.
Those who harp constantly on humility are often those with a lust for power over others.