another of modern Spanish women in Mantilla and wearing scapular.

With skirts above their knees.

I've been accused of being stuck up and arrogant before, I am sure...do I care?  No.  

You might eventually give it some thought.

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another of modern Spanish women in Mantilla and wearing scapular.

With skirts above their knees.

Oh Lord...you're not going to tell me that those older and dignified women with skirts a little over the knee, is an occasion of sin are you?  This is what happens when trad men think they are the final word in everything.  Thinking a little too much about matters outside of your expertise, and not concentrating on more important issues...like the faith.

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another of modern Spanish women in Mantilla and wearing scapular.

With skirts above their knees.

Oh Lord...you're not going to tell me that those older and dignified women with skirts a little over the knee, is an occasion of sin are you?  This is what happens when trad men think they are the final word in everything.

Actually, they do have the final say in these matters.  Pope Pius XII spoke of it, and the whole history of the Catholic religion speaks to it.

Honestly Bernadette there's nothing in what you're saying that doesn't permit relativism, mini-skirts, etc.  It's incredibly shallow to think it's a great hardship to wear a skirt below the knees.

 

Thinking a little too much about matters outside of your expertise, and not concentrating on more important issues...like the faith.

Honestly, the only reason we're forced to think about it is because of the constant complaints about it by women.  And the constant flaunting of flesh by women in this "modern world" that you want to "cope" with by authorizing women to wear short skirts.

I don't think it's scandalous necessarily for a girl to wear a skirt above her knee, it's certainly not good.  It takes a bit of humility to care about the welfare of Catholic men.  It's just so common to see these women flaunting their legs.  For example at the symphony, a beautiful young woman turned and faced me looking me in the eyes, she was wearing a skirt a bit high above her knees.  Certainly not modest behavior.  

Catholic men deserve better in their women than to complain about the most trivial requirements because of a desire to conform to the world.

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I believe it is important for Catholics to be able to fit in and cope in the modern world that God has created and chosen for us to live in.

Honestly, what does that have to do with women dressing more traditionally, modestly, with long skirts, etc.

Not much, IMO.

Catholics aren't going to get along so easily in a society that's hostile to them.  Coping with it doesn't mean going along with it.

My advice....Go out and join the world while remaining traditional Catholic, and hope to impress and convert some souls along the way by your devotion, or enjoy being an outcast...but when the three days of darkness and the great chastisement don't happen in your lifetime, then consider the time that was wasted ruminating on all of the things that are wrong in the world...we must accept the time of history we are born into...I guarantee if you were transported back to the middle ages you'd have a different opinion...

I don't think I've talked about the three days of darkness, nor did I ever say I thought life was better in the middle ages.  I can certainly speak about the history of Catholic customs and morality though.

I never condoned immodesty...what makes you think I have?  I don't like the way style/beauty is equated with immodesty...the way dressing for the modern world necessarily is thought to mean that the woman is dressing immodestly...it isn't.

I grew up in the NO...I've been most recently...I don't see any immodestly dressed women...what did I see?  Women dressed poorly...by poorly, I mean tacky.  It is a matter of dressing well and the best that one can.  Trying to elevate oneself...not to dress lazily...as if one rolled out of bed and threw on whatever was handy.  It isn't so much a matter of immodesty as it is a matter of good taste...and how to acquire it...so Catholic women need to set the example.

I go to an indult mass and I see defects in modesty.  Maybe not scandalous, but certainly far beneath the standards that should be acceptable.

You know, modern women keep changing these fashions to be less and less modest.  A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.  These fashions today would certainly have been considered immodest in the past.  And women know why they wear them, and whatever excuses they give, it's not just to be fashionable.  Even if they only wear immodest clothes for vanity, as is done in the all women's parties in Islamic countries, it's still wrong.

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I've been accused of being stuck up and arrogant before, I am sure...do I care?  No.  

You might eventually give it some thought.

Why?  It isn't my problem...it is the problem of the one who is judging....isn't it?

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There will always be women who dress immodestly...no matter what...

"Everyone else is doing it"

Listen Bernadette, do you have a problem with Catholic priests, husbands and fathers setting rules for modesty in their homes and churches, because you think it's too stifling?

Well, that problem is yours, and yours alone.  

I've never had a problem with dress codes...we need more of them in society.