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Offline SimpleMan

Re: SCOTUS to revisit SS marriage, contraception, sodomy?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 08:33:04 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on June 25, 2022, 05:04:54 AM
SSM, despite being about 50 years more recent, is already less controversial than abortion is. Kennedy really screwed us by letting that one through.

At least no child has ever been conceived and then aborted due to an act of sodomy.

WRT Loving --- and let me be as emphatic as I can possibly be, that I am not advocating its reversal --- there is absolutely no way you could ever put that genie back in the bottle.  Interracial marriage is almost the norm in certain circles.  And how would you ever determine what "race" that mixed-race people are?  That ship has sailed. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SCOTUS to revisit SS marriage, contraception, sodomy?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2022, 09:04:11 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on June 25, 2022, 08:33:04 AM
At least no child has ever been conceived and then aborted due to an act of sodomy.

Well, sodomy per se is a bit different than SSM.  Sodomy is a sinful act, but SSM entails a recognition by society that sodomite "unions" are on a par with true marriage.  I think with sodomy, one could argue the St. Thomas principle (that he applied to, say, prostitution) that it would be onerous for a society to police and enforce it and that people will do it anyway ... vs. SSM which absolutely must be struck from the books.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SCOTUS to revisit SS marriage, contraception, sodomy?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 11:33:15 AM »

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Although the SCOTUS can’t just simply rule on matters not before it, they can broadcast their general opinion on such matters, which can in turn inspire (deliberately) lower courts contending such issues to appeal them up the chain, at which time they can become reviewable.
Thomas could have also been using the other "moral issues of the day" to keep the conservatives locked in for the general election.  Don't want the pro-lifers to relax and celebrate too much.  The goals for the future are still a long list.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: SCOTUS to revisit SS marriage, contraception, sodomy?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2022, 11:38:43 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
Well, sodomy per se is a bit different than SSM.  Sodomy is a sinful act, but SSM entails a recognition by society that sodomite "unions" are on a par with true marriage.  I think with sodomy, one could argue the St. Thomas principle (that he applied to, say, prostitution) that it would be onerous for a society to police and enforce it and that people will do it anyway ... vs. SSM which absolutely must be struck from the books.
Yes, I think SSM is likely the best bet.  The decision would look similar to the recent one whereby the decisions are left to the states.
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Offline Minnesota

Re: SCOTUS to revisit SS marriage, contraception, sodomy?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2022, 11:45:48 AM »
If there were ever such an event, it would likely play out the same way as Dobbs: a jurisdiction enacts a ban, someone argues it as unconstitutional (with Obergefell, it was because Ohio refused to recognize Jim Obergefell as a surviving "spouse" of a terminally ill man) and somehow somewhere, it makes it to the Supreme Court and it is ruled that there is no constitutional right, immediately left back to the states.


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