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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Antonio Jones on October 23, 2025, 06:41:39 AM
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Wondering how many options there are here in the US of a school run by nuns.
Traditional Catholic, of course.
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Every single one of them, down to the last nun will tell your daughters to go to university.
Just FYI.
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Why does a traditional Catholic woman need to go to university?
She doesn't.
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Wondering how many options there are here in the US of a school run by nuns.
Traditional Catholic, of course.
Great idea, there is a traditional Catholic school here in UK run by SSPX but no nuns now are teaching there and the girls senior school is no longer operating.
So what if the nuns encourage girls to go to university? Many women are in a position where they need to earn a living or even be the breadwinner. If their husband is unwell or cannot provide. For example widows, single women whose parents cannot afford to help them financially, women who need to escape abusive marriages. Also if home educating, the mother of the household needs also to be educated herself.
I don’t see the problem with girls going to university if a) they’re academically inclined and b) it’s a Catholic university or has a large Catholic student group. Too many people go to university in general. Degrees have lost their value, unless you attend one of the more prestigious universities.
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Great idea, there is a traditional Catholic school here in UK run by SSPX but no nuns now are teaching there and the girls senior school is no longer operating.
So what if the nuns encourage girls to go to university? Many women are in a position where they need to earn a living or even be the breadwinner. If their husband is unwell or cannot provide. For example widows, single women whose parents cannot afford to help them financially, women who need to escape abusive marriages. Also if home educating, the mother of the household needs also to be educated herself.
I don’t see the problem with girls going to university if a) they’re academically inclined and b) it’s a Catholic university or has a large Catholic student group. Too many people go to university in general. Degrees have lost their value, unless you attend one of the more prestigious universities.
Hi there!
Maybe you're new. This is a forum for resistance traditional Catholics. We support Bishop Williamsons successors.
Bishop Williamson was very much against women at university. I am posting the article below.
No good Catholic should plot their daughters futures on the eventuality that their future husband might get sick. It's kind of a Jєωιѕн spirit to be honest. Good Catholics trust in God's providence, and in our age where society is de natured it is important to lean in as much as possible to our true nature.
Women are made to be mothers. End of story. University degrees do not help that.
Anyway, here is the Bishops Article:
Winona, September 1, 2001
Dear Friends and Benefactors:
Canadians strike me as a gentle people; but "strike" is the word! Ten years ago I was innocently asked in Canada whether women should wear trousers. Some ten weeks ago, also in Canada, I was asked whether a girl should go to a conservative Novus Ordo university. The answer now to the second question may be as stormy as the answer to the first:- because of all kinds of natural reasons, almost no girl should go to any university!
The deep-down reason is the same as for the wrongness of women's trousers: the unwomaning of woman. The deep-down cause in both cases is that Revolutionary man has betrayed modem woman; since she is not respected and loved for being a woman, she tries to make herself a man. Since modem man does not want her to do what God meant her to do, namely to have children, she takes her revenge by invading all kinds of things that man is meant to do. What else was to be expected? Modern man has only himself to blame.
In fact, only in modern times have women dreamt of going to university, but the idea has now become so normal that even Catholics, whose Faith guards Nature, may have difficulty in seeing the problem. However, here is a pointer in the direction of normalcy: any Catholic with the least respect for Tradition recognizes that women should not be priests – can he deny that if few women went to university, almost none would wish to be priests? Alas, women going to university is part of the whole massive onslaught on God's Nature which characterizes our times. That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls.
NATURE OF UNIVERSITIES
Let us begin with the true university. As defined by Cardinal Newman in his famous "Idea of a University", it is "a place of teaching universal knowledge". Universities in this sense were a creation of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and, as the Cardinal splendidly recalls, theology held pride of place there because, as science of the Supreme Being, it is the supreme science which alone can appoint to all other sciences their proper place. So a true university is a place for all-round learning of reality beneath the queenship of Catholic theology. The value of sciences and this need of theirs for theology is why the Catholic Church is always tending to create universities, and why she alone can create true universities, directing all study ultimately to the glory of God and the salvation of souls.
From which, one must question what kind of queenship can be exercised by Novus Ordo theologians, even conservative. Normally, "conservative" Catholics who have left Tradition are in bad faith, so will be bad teachers, while those who have never known Tradition will be ignorant, and so bad teachers. Both will make a point of "rescuing" a damsel in"schismatic" or "excommunicated" distress. Therefore a Traditional girl putting herself under "conservative" teachers will, to keep her Faith, require a special effort to resist the menfolk whom God designed (and her parents paid) her to follow. She will then be voluntarily so setting her true Catholic Faith against her true feminine nature that one or the other is almost bound to suffer.
It also follows from the queenship of Theology that a democratic age like ours, rejecting God and dethroning Theology, will make a nonsense of universities. Sure enough. All around us we see "universities" which are much worse than brothels, because not only does democratic "equality" indiscriminately herd there together all kinds of boys and girls with little or no interest in ideas so that they should not be studying in the first place, but also, by silencing Theology and rendering Philosophy ridiculous, these "universities" corrupt the highest part of the youngsters' nature, their minds, leaving their lower nature with little or no means of resisting the aided and abetted promiscuity of the two young sexes. Survey the waste on any "university" campus today – feckless unmen and trashy unwomen whose noblest activity is throwing frisbees at one another!
Such "universities" dedicated to the defiance of God and Nature, make mincemeat of the youngsters' Faith (if they had any), of their morals and of their common sense. Poor parents. But they have mocked God, and God is not mocked. Obviously no boy, let alone any girl, should be sent to such a "university". What needs to be proved is that even to a decent university, if such could be found, few or no girls should be sent. This is because of the God-given nature of girls. Which, despite today's massive propaganda to the contrary, is quite different from the God-given nature of boys!
NATURE OF GIRLS
For a sane grasp of woman's nature, let me appeal to the Church's Common Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, distant now by three-quarters of a millennium from our own disturbed times. The three reasons he gives in his Summa Theologiae (2a, 2ae, 177,2) why woman should not teach in Church in public can all be applied to why she should not teach or learn in a public university. Firstly, he says, teaching is for superiors, and women are- not to be superior, but subject, to their men (Gen III,16).
Secondly, women stepping up to teach in public can easily inflame men's lust (Ecclus IX,11). Thirdly, "Women are not usually ("communiter") perfect in wisdom".
To grasp these three reasons, let us back up another five millennia, to Adam and Eve. Since the word "nature" comes from the Latin word for "being born", then to study a thing's nature one goes back to its birth. Eve was created by God to be a "help" to Adam (Gen. 11,18). She was to help him, says St Thomas Aquinas elsewhere (1a,92,1), not for any other work than that of generation (or reproduction), because for any other work man could be more suitably helped by another man. It follows that woman's nature is intrinsically geared to motherhood, so that in all things pertaining to motherhood she is man's superior, in all else she is his inferior, and in none of all the things in which the two sexes are complementary are they equal
Now to attract a man so as to marry and become a mother, to nurture and rear children and to retain their father, she needs superior gifts of feeling and instinct, e.g. sensitivity, delicacy, tact, perspicacity, tenderness, etc. by which her mind will correspondingly be swayed, which is why no husband can understand how the mind of his wife works! For to do the work of generation, i.e. to ensure nothing less than the survival and continuation of mankind, God designed her mind to run on a complementary and different basis from her man's. His mind is designed not to be swayed by feelings but on the contrary to control them, so that while his feelings may be inferior to hers, his reason is superior. And reason being meant to rule in rational beings, then he is natured to rule over her (Gen. III, 16), as can be seen for example whenever she needs to resort to him for her feelings not to get out of control.
Correspondingly, while she senses family (and loves to talk about it), he responds to the world around and wants to master it (Gen II,15,19,20). While she is people-oriented, he is reality-oriented. (How often will a woman pull an idea or a question of reality back to family! – "You're against drink? You're attacking my husband!" This is in woman's nature. One does not mock her for it.) So while she is queen of feeling within the home, he must be king of reason over the home. So while he must love her and listen to her, at the end of the day she must obey him, because he is natured to take the broader view and to be the more reasonable (Eph V 22,25: Col III, 18,19).
FIRST REASON
Now what does a university call for? Whereas in modem "universities" the males all believe in "if it feels good, do it," which is why they are, as they wish, overrun by feeling females, on the contrary in a true university one thinks about universal reality, which is the prerogative of men. A woman can think in this way, or do a good imitation of handling ideas, but then she will not be properly thinking as woman. The dilemma is inescapable: she cannot do what is properly men's thinking or work without cutting across her deepest nature. Did this lawyeress check her hair-do just before coming into court? If she did, she is one distracted lawyer. If she did not, she is one distorted woman.
Moreover, true university thinking tends to produce leaders because true students have pondered on more or less universal reality. Cardinal Newman may argue that the cultivated mind is an end in itself, but if Mother Church has always raised universities, is it not because an elite of all-round minds will in any society powerfully help many souls to get to Heaven, if those minds' studying has been governed over all by the true Faith? But women are neither meant, nor normally gifted, to be leaders! Therefore girls should not be at university. As for a Queen Isabella the Catholic, Spain was her family and she never went to university! Nor did Theresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna or Joan of Arc.
Concretely, if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? And how may she not argue with him if he has had it? And if she has a "degree", how will she not think herself above the multiple humiliations of being "barefoot and pregnant"? And if she is a "graduate", how will she not hold-herself superior to being-a “vegetable at the-kitchen-sink"? And if making a family makes her forget in the right kind of way all about "graduating", "degrees" and "university", why go there in the first place? The dilemma is inescapable: in doing manly things like going to a university, either she is merely going through the motions or she is damaging her potential for motherhood – conclusion: she should not go there.
SECOND REASON
We come to St Thomas' second reason: the inflaming of lust. Enough said about today's unibrothels. What will happen if heaps of boys and girls are thrown together with mention of God even forbidden is massive common sense, but that is not the whole story!
Just suppose that a decent girl can find a decent university which is cultivating on a broad front minds of an elite of boys who will provide tomorrows world with its leaders. If she is smart enough to study, will she not be smart enough to know that even if she does not wish to distract the boys, she will still be a distraction? To this reason there is no exception. So if she is that decent, will she not prefer to hang back from distracting the future leaders that she and all her society tomorrow will need?
Then the more decent the university, will she not the more keep away? What woman can be imagined taking part in Plato's Dialogues? Not even the Blessed Virgin Mary took part in the Last Supper. Girls at university are a double source of confusion, both doing what girls were not created to do, and distracting the boys from doing what the boys were created to do.
At any true university, the worthwhile students do not want to be distracted by girls. Those are exactly the potential husbands that the really intelligent girls will go after. That is why even really intelligent girls should not be at university.
THIRD REASON
For indeed – St. Thomas's third reason – "women are not usually perfect in wisdom". This is because woman's family-wisdom is priceless, it comes straight from God, but it isas wisdom, because it orders only a part of reality.
Woman's thinking is subjective, inward, intuitive, concrete, small-scale, with a gift for loving details. University thinking needs to be objective, outward, rational, abstract, large-scale, with a drive towards the grand principles. Her thinking follows her heart. University thinking can only follow the head. While a university professor is teaching, the boy will be listening to and learning from the words but the girl will naturally be listening to the man and learning by osmosis. Only by an effort will she listen to the words, because her heart is elsewhere – usually on the boys. Naturally docile and possibly possessed of more than sufficient brains, she can always do a good imitation of a good student, especially if she wishes to please a particular male professor. Nor, again, should she be mocked for that, insofar as God designed her to please and to attract – a husband. Rarely, however, will the impressive studentess be a really good student, because the Lord God simply designed her heart and mind for a quite other task. Girls, do you really want to spend so much of your time and of your parents' money on doing something God almost for sure did not mean you to be doing?
OBJECTIONS
But Pius XII encouraged you to make the best of being forced out into the world? – Maybe he was making the best of an already bad situation in the 1940's and 1950's, when he hoped women would bring to bear their femininity on the public domain. However, by the definitions of "feminine" and "public", that is a contradiction in terms. Fifty years later, who can deny that the public domain has de-feminized, woman? As a friend said, "Women used to have careers open to them only in nursing and teaching, which they did well. Now they no longer know how to do either!"
It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis – do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?
But men today are unfit to lead, so you have to go to university to take their place? – You cannot take their place!!!! (The exception proves the rule). Today you are merely following them into "universities", tomorrow you will be following them out. By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need, but that you cannot by the nature of things wrest to yourselves from below. You cannot restore God's order by breaking it. Get behind your men! Behind, you have an enormous power to inspire and guide. In front, you will merely make them more irresponsible than ever…
But what about the Dominicans' school for girls in Idaho? – As much as St Thomas Aquinas disapproves women teaching in public, he approves their teaching in private, in other words at home, "or in a home-like setting". A university cannot resemble a home, but wise Mothers can keep a girls' secondary school like a home. See the enclosed flyer for an encouragement to support the same Dominican Mothers' primary and secondary schooling in France.
But where will girls' secondary schools find women teachers if no girls go to university? -One needs no university to learn most of what secondary schoolgirls need to be taught, for instance "domestic economy, setting up home, running a house, the care and education of children, the spiritual and social preparation for marriage" – Pius XII's timeless list, to the Union of Catholic Women, June 24, 1949. Of course if the law of the land, as now in France, demands "university" "diplomas" for women to teach or to open girls' schools, then some women's "university" attendance becomes, for the duration of that law, an exceptional necessity. However, exceptions make bad rules!
But what about the co-educational college of the Society of St Pius X at St. Mary's in Kansas? – It is still a family-scale operation, typical of the true Church's drive to teach the true Faith in as much depth as possible amidst difficult circuмstances, but according as it may expand and rise in the future to a truly university level of teaching, I for one piously hope that the boys will by then be giving such a lead and example, creating such a new world, that the girls will no longer feel any need to attend.
But what are girls in the meantime to do, who have a brain and are not ready to get married?- Let them use their brain: firstly, to grasp how God designed them, and for what role; secondly, to pray God He grant us all some men; thirdly, to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do); fourthly, to devise with their parents a feminine place and function where they can mature towards marriage. Or – for Heaven's sakes – let them think of a vocation! Old saying: "A woman is once a woman, a nun is twice a woman"!
CONCLUSION
For all these reasons, domestic girls are not by nature for public universities. Where did modern man go wrong?
As man puts himself in the place of God, so this life on earth blocks out of view any after-life in God's Heaven or Hell. Man's pride unchains his inclination to pleasure here below. Self comes first But children- however unconsciously -demand and reward selflessness in their parents. Therefore the children, and the demand, and the reward, most go. But woman's life is natured to center around children. Therefore woman's life in particular becomes empty, as does her home, especially if working conditions take her husband also away. She will inevitably follow him into his domains, eg. university, where she is liable to impose female patterns that do not belong, but that are frustrated at home. She will not let her being remain meaningless!
As this letter has often argued, such a breaking of family, home and woman is too deep a violation of Nature for the modern way of life to be able to survive. With men in the lead, Catholics, whose Faith should give them a handle on Nature, will be wise, according to circuмstances, to take remedial action now. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
Men, think! Give substance to the home! Girls, I bless you, your parents and all dear readers.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
+Richard Williamson
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Great idea, there is a traditional Catholic school here in UK run by SSPX but no nuns now are teaching there and the girls senior school is no longer operating.
So what if the nuns encourage girls to go to university? Many women are in a position where they need to earn a living or even be the breadwinner. If their husband is unwell or cannot provide. For example widows, single women whose parents cannot afford to help them financially, women who need to escape abusive marriages. Also if home educating, the mother of the household needs also to be educated herself.
I don’t see the problem with girls going to university if a) they’re academically inclined and b) it’s a Catholic university or has a large Catholic student group. Too many people go to university in general. Degrees have lost their value, unless you attend one of the more prestigious universities.
I did a few years of university and college and it was a waste of time and money. I honestly did it because of pressure from my family and high school teachers. I had good grades so “it would be a waste if I didn’t go into university.” Yes, as a married woman, I don’t have a degree to rely on but have you noticed that a degree is so common, it’s like a high school diploma. Jobs are also being outsourced to countries like India or Indians themselves, so it’s not even guaranteed that you can use your degree.
As for homeschooling, no you don’t need a degree to teach your own kids. You know the teachers in school literally have access to the answers and are teaching the same thing over and over again every year. I’ve noticed teachers just copying answers from a math solutions textbook and acting like they’re solving the math question.
If a widow is left financially destitute, but she has young children, she can still rely on government programs and donations from her community. Her parents or in-laws can help out.
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I did a few years of university and college and it was a waste of time and money. I honestly did it because of pressure from my family and high school teachers. I had good grades so “it would be a waste if I didn’t go into university.” Yes, as a married woman, I don’t have a degree to rely on but have you noticed that a degree is so common, it’s like a high school diploma. Jobs are also being outsourced to countries like India or Indians themselves, so it’s not even guaranteed that you can use your degree.
As for homeschooling, no you don’t need a degree to teach your own kids. You know the teachers in school literally have access to the answers and are teaching the same thing over and over again every year. I’ve noticed teachers just copying answers from a math solutions textbook and acting like they’re solving the math question.
If a widow is left financially destitute, but she has young children, she can still rely on government programs and donations from her community. Her parents or in-laws can help out.
This is why I really think we need to shield our daughters from this BS. A man can make "mistakes" like these at a young age, recover and re-think, and then act accordingly in the future.
Women can't do this..
This is objective reality. And 4 year degrees are a waste of money a lot of the time for MEN as well.
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Hi there!
Maybe you're new. This is a forum for resistance traditional Catholics. We support Bishop Williamsons successors.
Bishop Williamson was very much against women at university. I am posting the article below.
No good Catholic should plot their daughters futures on the eventuality that their future husband might get sick. It's kind of a Jєωιѕн spirit to be honest. Good Catholics trust in God's providence, and in our age where society is de natured it is important to lean in as much as possible to our true nature.
Women are made to be mothers. End of story. University degrees do not help that.
Anyway, here is the Bishops Article:
Winona, September 1, 2001
Dear Friends and Benefactors:
Canadians strike me as a gentle people; but "strike" is the word! Ten years ago I was innocently asked in Canada whether women should wear trousers. Some ten weeks ago, also in Canada, I was asked whether a girl should go to a conservative Novus Ordo university. The answer now to the second question may be as stormy as the answer to the first:- because of all kinds of natural reasons, almost no girl should go to any university!
The deep-down reason is the same as for the wrongness of women's trousers: the unwomaning of woman. The deep-down cause in both cases is that Revolutionary man has betrayed modem woman; since she is not respected and loved for being a woman, she tries to make herself a man. Since modem man does not want her to do what God meant her to do, namely to have children, she takes her revenge by invading all kinds of things that man is meant to do. What else was to be expected? Modern man has only himself to blame.
In fact, only in modern times have women dreamt of going to university, but the idea has now become so normal that even Catholics, whose Faith guards Nature, may have difficulty in seeing the problem. However, here is a pointer in the direction of normalcy: any Catholic with the least respect for Tradition recognizes that women should not be priests – can he deny that if few women went to university, almost none would wish to be priests? Alas, women going to university is part of the whole massive onslaught on God's Nature which characterizes our times. That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls.
NATURE OF UNIVERSITIES
Let us begin with the true university. As defined by Cardinal Newman in his famous "Idea of a University", it is "a place of teaching universal knowledge". Universities in this sense were a creation of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and, as the Cardinal splendidly recalls, theology held pride of place there because, as science of the Supreme Being, it is the supreme science which alone can appoint to all other sciences their proper place. So a true university is a place for all-round learning of reality beneath the queenship of Catholic theology. The value of sciences and this need of theirs for theology is why the Catholic Church is always tending to create universities, and why she alone can create true universities, directing all study ultimately to the glory of God and the salvation of souls.
From which, one must question what kind of queenship can be exercised by Novus Ordo theologians, even conservative. Normally, "conservative" Catholics who have left Tradition are in bad faith, so will be bad teachers, while those who have never known Tradition will be ignorant, and so bad teachers. Both will make a point of "rescuing" a damsel in"schismatic" or "excommunicated" distress. Therefore a Traditional girl putting herself under "conservative" teachers will, to keep her Faith, require a special effort to resist the menfolk whom God designed (and her parents paid) her to follow. She will then be voluntarily so setting her true Catholic Faith against her true feminine nature that one or the other is almost bound to suffer.
It also follows from the queenship of Theology that a democratic age like ours, rejecting God and dethroning Theology, will make a nonsense of universities. Sure enough. All around us we see "universities" which are much worse than brothels, because not only does democratic "equality" indiscriminately herd there together all kinds of boys and girls with little or no interest in ideas so that they should not be studying in the first place, but also, by silencing Theology and rendering Philosophy ridiculous, these "universities" corrupt the highest part of the youngsters' nature, their minds, leaving their lower nature with little or no means of resisting the aided and abetted promiscuity of the two young sexes. Survey the waste on any "university" campus today – feckless unmen and trashy unwomen whose noblest activity is throwing frisbees at one another!
Such "universities" dedicated to the defiance of God and Nature, make mincemeat of the youngsters' Faith (if they had any), of their morals and of their common sense. Poor parents. But they have mocked God, and God is not mocked. Obviously no boy, let alone any girl, should be sent to such a "university". What needs to be proved is that even to a decent university, if such could be found, few or no girls should be sent. This is because of the God-given nature of girls. Which, despite today's massive propaganda to the contrary, is quite different from the God-given nature of boys!
NATURE OF GIRLS
For a sane grasp of woman's nature, let me appeal to the Church's Common Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, distant now by three-quarters of a millennium from our own disturbed times. The three reasons he gives in his Summa Theologiae (2a, 2ae, 177,2) why woman should not teach in Church in public can all be applied to why she should not teach or learn in a public university. Firstly, he says, teaching is for superiors, and women are- not to be superior, but subject, to their men (Gen III,16).
Secondly, women stepping up to teach in public can easily inflame men's lust (Ecclus IX,11). Thirdly, "Women are not usually ("communiter") perfect in wisdom".
To grasp these three reasons, let us back up another five millennia, to Adam and Eve. Since the word "nature" comes from the Latin word for "being born", then to study a thing's nature one goes back to its birth. Eve was created by God to be a "help" to Adam (Gen. 11,18). She was to help him, says St Thomas Aquinas elsewhere (1a,92,1), not for any other work than that of generation (or reproduction), because for any other work man could be more suitably helped by another man. It follows that woman's nature is intrinsically geared to motherhood, so that in all things pertaining to motherhood she is man's superior, in all else she is his inferior, and in none of all the things in which the two sexes are complementary are they equal
Now to attract a man so as to marry and become a mother, to nurture and rear children and to retain their father, she needs superior gifts of feeling and instinct, e.g. sensitivity, delicacy, tact, perspicacity, tenderness, etc. by which her mind will correspondingly be swayed, which is why no husband can understand how the mind of his wife works! For to do the work of generation, i.e. to ensure nothing less than the survival and continuation of mankind, God designed her mind to run on a complementary and different basis from her man's. His mind is designed not to be swayed by feelings but on the contrary to control them, so that while his feelings may be inferior to hers, his reason is superior. And reason being meant to rule in rational beings, then he is natured to rule over her (Gen. III, 16), as can be seen for example whenever she needs to resort to him for her feelings not to get out of control.
Correspondingly, while she senses family (and loves to talk about it), he responds to the world around and wants to master it (Gen II,15,19,20). While she is people-oriented, he is reality-oriented. (How often will a woman pull an idea or a question of reality back to family! – "You're against drink? You're attacking my husband!" This is in woman's nature. One does not mock her for it.) So while she is queen of feeling within the home, he must be king of reason over the home. So while he must love her and listen to her, at the end of the day she must obey him, because he is natured to take the broader view and to be the more reasonable (Eph V 22,25: Col III, 18,19).
FIRST REASON
Now what does a university call for? Whereas in modem "universities" the males all believe in "if it feels good, do it," which is why they are, as they wish, overrun by feeling females, on the contrary in a true university one thinks about universal reality, which is the prerogative of men. A woman can think in this way, or do a good imitation of handling ideas, but then she will not be properly thinking as woman. The dilemma is inescapable: she cannot do what is properly men's thinking or work without cutting across her deepest nature. Did this lawyeress check her hair-do just before coming into court? If she did, she is one distracted lawyer. If she did not, she is one distorted woman.
Moreover, true university thinking tends to produce leaders because true students have pondered on more or less universal reality. Cardinal Newman may argue that the cultivated mind is an end in itself, but if Mother Church has always raised universities, is it not because an elite of all-round minds will in any society powerfully help many souls to get to Heaven, if those minds' studying has been governed over all by the true Faith? But women are neither meant, nor normally gifted, to be leaders! Therefore girls should not be at university. As for a Queen Isabella the Catholic, Spain was her family and she never went to university! Nor did Theresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna or Joan of Arc.
Concretely, if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? And how may she not argue with him if he has had it? And if she has a "degree", how will she not think herself above the multiple humiliations of being "barefoot and pregnant"? And if she is a "graduate", how will she not hold-herself superior to being-a “vegetable at the-kitchen-sink"? And if making a family makes her forget in the right kind of way all about "graduating", "degrees" and "university", why go there in the first place? The dilemma is inescapable: in doing manly things like going to a university, either she is merely going through the motions or she is damaging her potential for motherhood – conclusion: she should not go there.
SECOND REASON
We come to St Thomas' second reason: the inflaming of lust. Enough said about today's unibrothels. What will happen if heaps of boys and girls are thrown together with mention of God even forbidden is massive common sense, but that is not the whole story!
Just suppose that a decent girl can find a decent university which is cultivating on a broad front minds of an elite of boys who will provide tomorrows world with its leaders. If she is smart enough to study, will she not be smart enough to know that even if she does not wish to distract the boys, she will still be a distraction? To this reason there is no exception. So if she is that decent, will she not prefer to hang back from distracting the future leaders that she and all her society tomorrow will need?
Then the more decent the university, will she not the more keep away? What woman can be imagined taking part in Plato's Dialogues? Not even the Blessed Virgin Mary took part in the Last Supper. Girls at university are a double source of confusion, both doing what girls were not created to do, and distracting the boys from doing what the boys were created to do.
At any true university, the worthwhile students do not want to be distracted by girls. Those are exactly the potential husbands that the really intelligent girls will go after. That is why even really intelligent girls should not be at university.
THIRD REASON
For indeed – St. Thomas's third reason – "women are not usually perfect in wisdom". This is because woman's family-wisdom is priceless, it comes straight from God, but it isas wisdom, because it orders only a part of reality.
Woman's thinking is subjective, inward, intuitive, concrete, small-scale, with a gift for loving details. University thinking needs to be objective, outward, rational, abstract, large-scale, with a drive towards the grand principles. Her thinking follows her heart. University thinking can only follow the head. While a university professor is teaching, the boy will be listening to and learning from the words but the girl will naturally be listening to the man and learning by osmosis. Only by an effort will she listen to the words, because her heart is elsewhere – usually on the boys. Naturally docile and possibly possessed of more than sufficient brains, she can always do a good imitation of a good student, especially if she wishes to please a particular male professor. Nor, again, should she be mocked for that, insofar as God designed her to please and to attract – a husband. Rarely, however, will the impressive studentess be a really good student, because the Lord God simply designed her heart and mind for a quite other task. Girls, do you really want to spend so much of your time and of your parents' money on doing something God almost for sure did not mean you to be doing?
OBJECTIONS
But Pius XII encouraged you to make the best of being forced out into the world? – Maybe he was making the best of an already bad situation in the 1940's and 1950's, when he hoped women would bring to bear their femininity on the public domain. However, by the definitions of "feminine" and "public", that is a contradiction in terms. Fifty years later, who can deny that the public domain has de-feminized, woman? As a friend said, "Women used to have careers open to them only in nursing and teaching, which they did well. Now they no longer know how to do either!"
It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis – do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?
But men today are unfit to lead, so you have to go to university to take their place? – You cannot take their place!!!! (The exception proves the rule). Today you are merely following them into "universities", tomorrow you will be following them out. By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need, but that you cannot by the nature of things wrest to yourselves from below. You cannot restore God's order by breaking it. Get behind your men! Behind, you have an enormous power to inspire and guide. In front, you will merely make them more irresponsible than ever…
But what about the Dominicans' school for girls in Idaho? – As much as St Thomas Aquinas disapproves women teaching in public, he approves their teaching in private, in other words at home, "or in a home-like setting". A university cannot resemble a home, but wise Mothers can keep a girls' secondary school like a home. See the enclosed flyer for an encouragement to support the same Dominican Mothers' primary and secondary schooling in France.
But where will girls' secondary schools find women teachers if no girls go to university? -One needs no university to learn most of what secondary schoolgirls need to be taught, for instance "domestic economy, setting up home, running a house, the care and education of children, the spiritual and social preparation for marriage" – Pius XII's timeless list, to the Union of Catholic Women, June 24, 1949. Of course if the law of the land, as now in France, demands "university" "diplomas" for women to teach or to open girls' schools, then some women's "university" attendance becomes, for the duration of that law, an exceptional necessity. However, exceptions make bad rules!
But what about the co-educational college of the Society of St Pius X at St. Mary's in Kansas? – It is still a family-scale operation, typical of the true Church's drive to teach the true Faith in as much depth as possible amidst difficult circuмstances, but according as it may expand and rise in the future to a truly university level of teaching, I for one piously hope that the boys will by then be giving such a lead and example, creating such a new world, that the girls will no longer feel any need to attend.
But what are girls in the meantime to do, who have a brain and are not ready to get married?- Let them use their brain: firstly, to grasp how God designed them, and for what role; secondly, to pray God He grant us all some men; thirdly, to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do); fourthly, to devise with their parents a feminine place and function where they can mature towards marriage. Or – for Heaven's sakes – let them think of a vocation! Old saying: "A woman is once a woman, a nun is twice a woman"!
CONCLUSION
For all these reasons, domestic girls are not by nature for public universities. Where did modern man go wrong?
As man puts himself in the place of God, so this life on earth blocks out of view any after-life in God's Heaven or Hell. Man's pride unchains his inclination to pleasure here below. Self comes first But children- however unconsciously -demand and reward selflessness in their parents. Therefore the children, and the demand, and the reward, most go. But woman's life is natured to center around children. Therefore woman's life in particular becomes empty, as does her home, especially if working conditions take her husband also away. She will inevitably follow him into his domains, eg. university, where she is liable to impose female patterns that do not belong, but that are frustrated at home. She will not let her being remain meaningless!
As this letter has often argued, such a breaking of family, home and woman is too deep a violation of Nature for the modern way of life to be able to survive. With men in the lead, Catholics, whose Faith should give them a handle on Nature, will be wise, according to circuмstances, to take remedial action now. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
Men, think! Give substance to the home! Girls, I bless you, your parents and all dear readers.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
+Richard Williamson
Hi, yes I am new here and we’re not resistance attendees, we go to a Latin Mass in our diocese and also SSPX on occasion. I wasn’t aware this group was only for resistance people as it says SSPX on description. But I may have misunderstood.
I don’t agree with the late Bp Williamson about a number of things, including his views on women attending university. Thank you for sharing his letter though. I definitely agree motherhood is incredibly important, I think women should try their best to stay at home with their children if possible, maybe work from home, grandparents may help, but definitely farming children out to strangers whilst young is psychologically harmful.
Modern universities are ridiculously woke and too many people attend university, people who are actually not university material. I don’t agree that it’s never appropriate for a woman to attend though, I’d look at this on a case by case basis. A highly academic daughter of a friend actually converted to be Catholic through university chaplain AND met her future husband whilst there. She now has a way of making money from home whilst raising her family. I don’t think my daughters want to go to uni. They’re more practical rather than academic anyway. It’s expensive too… another way for the government to try to get young people into debt.
As for a traditional Catholic school run by nuns I think that would be amazing. I have worked with children previously before having my own. We need female teachers and university is necessary to teach in schools.
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I did a few years of university and college and it was a waste of time and money. I honestly did it because of pressure from my family and high school teachers. I had good grades so “it would be a waste if I didn’t go into university.” Yes, as a married woman, I don’t have a degree to rely on but have you noticed that a degree is so common, it’s like a high school diploma. Jobs are also being outsourced to countries like India or Indians themselves, so it’s not even guaranteed that you can use your degree.
As for homeschooling, no you don’t need a degree to teach your own kids. You know the teachers in school literally have access to the answers and are teaching the same thing over and over again every year. I’ve noticed teachers just copying answers from a math solutions textbook and acting like they’re solving the math question.
If a widow is left financially destitute, but she has young children, she can still rely on government programs and donations from her community. Her parents or in-laws can help out.
I agree you don’t need a degree to homeschool but it does help immensely if the mother has some kind of background in education, could be self taught. Some women are highly academic and clearly meant to develop that talent. I’d be in favour of university for those women, especially if, as used to be the case in uk when I was at university, the fees were paid by the government. Now the government expects students to take out a huge loan. It’s not worth it for many young people, both male and female.
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So the next time anyone goes the the emergency room and there is a female nurse there who had to go to school. You should decline there help and wait for a male nurse.
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So the next time anyone goes the the emergency room and there is a female nurse there who had to go to school. You should decline there help and wait for a male nurse.
That's the world we live in, which there is nothing we can do about.
So, no.
Nice projection.
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So the next time anyone goes the the emergency room and there is a female nurse there who had to go to school. You should decline there help and wait for a male nurse.
Nurses should all be men yes.
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Hi, yes I am new here and we’re not resistance attendees, we go to a Latin Mass in our diocese and also SSPX on occasion. I wasn’t aware this group was only for resistance people as it says SSPX on description. But I may have misunderstood.
I don’t agree with the late Bp Williamson about a number of things, including his views on women attending university. Thank you for sharing his letter though. I definitely agree motherhood is incredibly important, I think women should try their best to stay at home with their children if possible, maybe work from home, grandparents may help, but definitely farming children out to strangers whilst young is psychologically harmful.
Modern universities are ridiculously woke and too many people attend university, people who are actually not university material. I don’t agree that it’s never appropriate for a woman to attend though, I’d look at this on a case by case basis. A highly academic daughter of a friend actually converted to be Catholic through university chaplain AND met her future husband whilst there. She now has a way of making money from home whilst raising her family. I don’t think my daughters want to go to uni. They’re more practical rather than academic anyway. It’s expensive too… another way for the government to try to get young people into debt.
As for a traditional Catholic school run by nuns I think that would be amazing. I have worked with children previously before having my own. We need female teachers and university is necessary to teach in schools.
Being a mother is not just important, it is THE reason women were made.
So the root of your misunderstanding is a theological one.
Most men did not go to university in medieval times.
They are the times held up in Catholicism as when the principles of living of the Church intersected the best with society. The most just epoch.
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So the next time anyone goes the the emergency room and there is a female nurse there who had to go to school. You should decline there help and wait for a male nurse.
I was at the hospital recently, and there were a bunch of female nurses (and some male nurses) just gossiping at their station. I personally am more comfortable with women when it comes to maternity-related matters mostly because of modesty and them being able to relate to you more. Maybe an equal mix of female and male nurses would be good to phase out the drama that an all-female environment can cause.
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I agree you don’t need a degree to homeschool but it does help immensely if the mother has some kind of background in education, could be self taught. Some women are highly academic and clearly meant to develop that talent. I’d be in favour of university for those women, especially if, as used to be the case in uk when I was at university, the fees were paid by the government. Now the government expects students to take out a huge loan. It’s not worth it for many young people, both male and female.
Like I said, it doesn't take a genius to homeschool. You can get used textbooks that they use in schools for cheap and teach out of that. You can access sample exams and tests online too. You even have online courses. I wasn't homeschooled and went through the public school system, so I'm quite familar with the education system. I also tutored high school students myself in math and some sciences so I feel pretty comfortable teaching my own kids.
The other problem with women getting degrees is that they subconsciously want a husband who has a degree or higher. They might look down on a man who has a good job but no degree. For example, female doctors typically marry up (another male doctor or a man of higher status).
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Like I said, it doesn't take a genius to homeschool. You can get used textbooks that they use in schools for cheap and teach out of that. You can access sample exams and tests online too. You even have online courses. I wasn't homeschooled and went through the public school system, so I'm quite familar with the education system. I also tutored high school students myself in math and some sciences so I feel pretty comfortable teaching my own kids.
The other problem with women getting degrees is that they subconsciously want a husband who has a degree or higher. They might look down on a man who has a good job but no degree. For example, female doctors typically marry up (another male doctor or a man of higher status).
Agree about the homeschooling. We also home school . I have a degree in an arts subject but am able to research the science and mathematics side. Up to a certain level anyway! The amount of people who say ‘so how do you teach MATHS?’ As if only a maths teacher can do this.
I actually think you’re right that some women with degrees can feel marrying a man without one is not possible… as if they’re somehow beneath them. But most sensible women wouldn’t be like this… in UK (I don’t know about USA and I think you’re there because you write math not maths haha) but in UK plumbers and builders can earn a shed load of money and are v intelligent especially if they own their own business. I have a friend who is a property developer, no degree-he was trying to explain to me about what he does, he has no degree but has learned as much on the job as he would in a lecture hall. I still think that an academic woman can go to university even in the current state of the education system. It very much depends on the university, her personality, if she lives at home or with Catholic friends or not, if shes strong in her faith etc etc….
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Agree about the homeschooling. We also home school . I have a degree in an arts subject but am able to research the science and mathematics side. Up to a certain level anyway! The amount of people who say ‘so how do you teach MATHS?’ As if only a maths teacher can do this.
I actually think you’re right that some women with degrees can feel marrying a man without one is not possible… as if they’re somehow beneath them. But most sensible women wouldn’t be like this… in UK (I don’t know about USA and I think you’re there because you write math not maths haha) but in UK plumbers and builders can earn a shed load of money and are v intelligent especially if they own their own business. I have a friend who is a property developer, no degree-he was trying to explain to me about what he does, he has no degree but has learned as much on the job as he would in a lecture hall. I still think that an academic woman can go to university even in the current state of the education system. It very much depends on the university, her personality, if she lives at home or with Catholic friends or not, if shes strong in her faith etc etc….
I know a lot of sensible women.Yet I do not know a single one, I repeat, a single one who had a university degree and did not marry someone without one.
Stats bear that up too.
Marriage rates are plummeting anyway, so if I were a woman aged 18, the wisest thing I would do from a sheer practical point of view would be to not go to university. To best ensure my chances of finding someone. Far more men will marry down then women will marry down.
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Wondering how many options there are here in the US of a school run by nuns.
Traditional Catholic, of course.
I don't see any actual answers.
I'm pretty sure the SSPX have some teaching sisters, maybe in Idaho. I think there's a CMRI school in the Northwest with nuns. These nuns are in Florida https://www.qasonline.org/ and I think have a second location in Arizona.
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You can get used textbooks that they use in schools for cheap and teach out of that. You can access sample exams and tests online too. You even have online courses.
Most our books were used, and as for literature anthologies (Norton and so on), those can be picked up at places such as Goodwill for a dollar or two. The classic anthologies were best, I found that modern grade-level literature books were largely comprised of stories curated to make various politically correct intersectionalities feel good about themselves.
And while I tried not overly to rely upon them, there were times when I didn't particularly feel like teaching this subject or that, and I'd find a suitable video or two that was in line with our lesson plan, and play that instead. We would also use math videos to reinforce concepts, some of the lecturers, who are usually young and often from cultures where math proficiency is prized, did a far better job than I ever could have.
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I went to university, earned two master’s degrees, plus took some post graduate classes. Why? By my late 20’s, early 30’s, it was evident that I was not cut out for wife/mother. In an earlier time, I’d have become a teaching sister, probably Dominican. Unfortunately, at the time, the convents were emptying and those who remained sisters were busy tearing off their habits in exchange for polyester pant suits and jeans. They were abandoning the community life to live in apartments. IOW, they had nothing I didn’t already have, lived in apartments, wore regular clothes, had a roommate or two, worked in the community, were too busy with jobs they hadn’t time for daily Mass, communal prayers, following a rule of life, did their cooking, no longer made their clothes, cleaned their own apartments, etc.
The big difference was that I had to support myself. In order to do that, I needed those magic pieces of paper declaring my completion of of university, so that’s what I did, worked my way through uni and got the pieces of paper.
They don’t make me better or holier than anyone else. They sure won’t get me a place in Heaven! In fact, my closest friends throughout life have been and are people without “education.” I value common sense over non-sense, practical skills over practically no skills.
Let’s just say the communist public education plan backfired in my case.
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Agree about the homeschooling. We also home school . I have a degree in an arts subject but am able to research the science and mathematics side. Up to a certain level anyway! The amount of people who say ‘so how do you teach MATHS?’ As if only a maths teacher can do this.
I actually think you’re right that some women with degrees can feel marrying a man without one is not possible… as if they’re somehow beneath them. But most sensible women wouldn’t be like this… in UK (I don’t know about USA and I think you’re there because you write math not maths haha) but in UK plumbers and builders can earn a shed load of money and are v intelligent especially if they own their own business. I have a friend who is a property developer, no degree-he was trying to explain to me about what he does, he has no degree but has learned as much on the job as he would in a lecture hall. I still think that an academic woman can go to university even in the current state of the education system. It very much depends on the university, her personality, if she lives at home or with Catholic friends or not, if shes strong in her faith etc etc….
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I think it’s sad that the nuns started acting like laywomen, wearing jeans instead of habits. Living in apartments. They may as well not have become nuns but lived a life as unmarried teachers. I agree with others here that the most important job for women if they have children is to be mothers. I don’t agree however, that ‘no women should attend university’. Not all women are called to be mothers, not all women marry, also education is a goal in itself and a society where women are educated will be a superior society to one where they are not. Regardless of whether a mother needs a degree in order to homeschool, a woman will benefit from further study, IF she is suited to it. Plus there are lots of situations where a mother may need to be the breadwinner, even though this role is not meant for a mother under normal circuмstances. I think God has sent me daughters who don’t want to go to university as He has a sense of humour!! If o had a very academic and driven daughter I probably WOULD push her into the higher education system! Back to the topic of the original post-St Michael’s School is the only SSPX school in the uk. Nuns used to teach there, up until around 2018 I think. Then they all left over a silly disagreement regarding the local bishop being invited to say rosary with the children…and the mother superior, French born Sister Mary Elizabeth, joined the resistance group and now lives in France. I actually think it would have been better had she stayed at the school. The other nuns returned to their respective countries and a few left the religious life.
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Thanks for the response… unfortunately it says ‘content not available in your country’!
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Thanks for the response… unfortunately it says ‘content not available in your country’!
haha ... it's just a comic about "maths" ... I'll try again
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haha ... it's just a comic about "maths" ... I'll try again
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Still no. Am in UK maybe our tyrannical leader Stalin Starmer won’t let us access it!!
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When my parents met, my mother outranked him, literally! They were in the Navy! It was 1947, still in the aftermath of WWII.
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I think it’s sad that the nuns started acting like laywomen, wearing jeans instead of habits. Living in apartments. They may as well not have become nuns but lived a life as unmarried teachers. I agree with others here that the most important job for women if they have children is to be mothers. I don’t agree however, that ‘no women should attend university’. Not all women are called to be mothers, not all women marry, also education is a goal in itself and a society where women are educated will be a superior society to one where they are not. Regardless of whether a mother needs a degree in order to homeschool, a woman will benefit from further study, IF she is suited to it. Plus there are lots of situations where a mother may need to be the breadwinner, even though this role is not meant for a mother under normal circuмstances. I think God has sent me daughters who don’t want to go to university as He has a sense of humour!! If o had a very academic and driven daughter I probably WOULD push her into the higher education system! Back to the topic of the original post-St Michael’s School is the only SSPX school in the uk. Nuns used to teach there, up until around 2018 I think. Then they all left over a silly disagreement regarding the local bishop being invited to say rosary with the children…and the mother superior, French born Sister Mary Elizabeth, joined the resistance group and now lives in France. I actually think it would have been better had she stayed at the school. The other nuns returned to their respective countries and a few left the religious life.
I see another root cause of your misunderstanding.
Education is NOT an end in itself like you say. It is to serve a purpose always. Even a liberal arts degree has a purpose for a man who does it.
I'm sorry that you are still entertaining the "if farcical far fetched scenario happens to a woman, she should be prepared for it" idea. Maybe let it go alright? No one lives like that in relation to other aspects of their lives.
This is not about keeping women down. Its about what is proper order in conjunction with the reason we are made by God.
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Hi, yes I am new here and we’re not resistance attendees, we go to a Latin Mass in our diocese and also SSPX on occasion. I wasn’t aware this group was only for resistance people as it says SSPX on description. But I may have misunderstood.
I don’t agree with the late Bp Williamson about a number of things, including his views on women attending university. Thank you for sharing his letter though. I definitely agree motherhood is incredibly important, I think women should try their best to stay at home with their children if possible, maybe work from home, grandparents may help, but definitely farming children out to strangers whilst young is psychologically harmful.
Modern universities are ridiculously woke and too many people attend university, people who are actually not university material. I don’t agree that it’s never appropriate for a woman to attend though, I’d look at this on a case by case basis. A highly academic daughter of a friend actually converted to be Catholic through university chaplain AND met her future husband whilst there. She now has a way of making money from home whilst raising her family. I don’t think my daughters want to go to uni. They’re more practical rather than academic anyway. It’s expensive too… another way for the government to try to get young people into debt.
As for a traditional Catholic school run by nuns I think that would be amazing. I have worked with children previously before having my own. We need female teachers and university is necessary to teach in schools.
You say you’re not Resistance then why the fixation on their activities and on Moran? Concern for safety is commendable, but shouldn’t it begin where you actually belong within your own institutions? And the Kavanaughs...curious what binds you to them, or is this yet another borrowed cause to justify intrusion into a movement that doesn’t concern you?
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Home Schooling is the most important. Yes, we have nuns at Our lady of the Sun. BUT, don't expect nuns to do the disciplining. Some parents go with these thoughts. College education is rotten, for they answer to the State and federal. What is needed is the saving of souls. Parents are "the" #1 educator. That is Catholic.
I have seen schools run by nuns. But there are children who are not being disciplined. Schools have been in the understanding, that if they discipline, the teacher could be sued. So, the world we are in, is getting worse. We home schooled our 3. I did not know what was happening to our children in public school. then tried New order, no good. We home schooled. Seton is the best program and goes into college courses as well.
The #1 need is educating Faith!! Instill it, so your children can instruct others who have no faith. Your job is to save souls!! Reading, math, the main is important, and we can do that. We are very close to the end of Latter times. We are approaching Church Triumphant. That is where we need to help our Youth!
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Many women are in a position where they need to earn a living or even be the breadwinner. If their husband is unwell or cannot provide. For example widows, single women whose parents cannot afford to help them financially, women who need to escape abusive marriages. Also if home educating, the mother of the household needs also to be educated herself.
I don’t see the problem with girls going to university if a) they’re academically inclined and b) it’s a Catholic university or has a large Catholic student group. Too many people go to university in general. Degrees have lost their value, unless you attend one of the more prestigious universities.
Agreed 100%.
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So the next time anyone goes the the emergency room and there is a female nurse there who had to go to school. You should decline there help and wait for a male nurse.
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Needed a laugh this morning. Thanks for providing it!
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I know a lot of sensible women.Yet I do not know a single one, I repeat, a single one who had a university degree and did not marry someone without one.
I have 50 neices and nephews, most of whom went to college, and many of whom graduated university. Several of my nieces who graduated university (B.S.) married men without a degree.
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Wondering how many options there are here in the US of a school run by nuns.
Traditional Catholic, of course.
St. Vincent de Paul Academy in Kansas City, Missouri,
https://fsspx.news/en/news/25-years-franciscan-sisters-christ-king-united-states-55109?utm_source=SSPX+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=826a2b8768-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_02_03_03_48_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-fdc5b5a4cb-100044441&mc_cid=826a2b8768&mc_eid=430a2cd0c6
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Isn’t there a girls’ school run by Dominican sisters, possibly SSPX affiliated, in Massena, NY, St. Lawrence Co. I believe it’s in an old public school building formerly used by the Madrid-Waddington School District.
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I believe the Daughters of Mary run the St. Pius V School in Melville, NY.
School Begins – St. Pius V School – Daughters of Mary (https://www.daughtersofmary.net/school-begins-spv-2023/)