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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on September 18, 2009, 10:47:26 AM

Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Matthew on September 18, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: clare on September 18, 2009, 11:00:36 AM
There she goes again, making a mountain out of a molehill, nitpicking about what to call your kids as the world falls apart around us...

She took the words right out of my mouth!
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 18, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 18, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
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Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.


Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 18, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
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Quote from: SJB
Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.


Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...


And I'm in favor of it, right? And anybody who ever uses the word "kid" is in favor of it, right? Even somebody who homeschools their "kids" and makes sure that they are educated and know their catechism is in favor of it, albeit implicitly, right?

Or could it be that the use of "kid" is just accidental today...a cultural thing...certainly not intrinsically evil...therefore not resisted as evil. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry...in the minds of these parents. Did you ever think of that?

Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 18, 2009, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.

Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...

And I'm in favor of it, right? And anybody who ever uses the word "kid" is in favor of it, right? Even somebody who homeschools their "kids" and makes sure that they are educated and know their catechism is in favor of it, albeit implicitly, right?

Or could it be that the use of "kid" is just accidental today...a cultural thing...certainly not intrinsically evil...therefore not resisted as evil. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry...in the minds of these parents. Did you ever think of that?


Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 18, 2009, 02:31:52 PM
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Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.


Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...


And I'm in favor of it, right? And anybody who ever uses the word "kid" is in favor of it, right? Even somebody who homeschools their "kids" and makes sure that they are educated and know their catechism is in favor of it, albeit implicitly, right?

Or could it be that the use of "kid" is just accidental today...a cultural thing...certainly not intrinsically evil...therefore not resisted as evil. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry...in the minds of these parents. Did you ever think of that?



Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)


Right. And the focus should be in one's own mirror. Lead by example. Don't worry so much why everybody else doesn't see the same significance in those little things; and don't think less of them because of it.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: clare on September 18, 2009, 02:58:16 PM
Quote from: SJB
And the focus should be in one's own mirror. Lead by example. Don't worry so much why everybody else doesn't see the same significance in those little things; and don't think less of them because of it.


Right on.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 18, 2009, 03:14:15 PM
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Quote from: SJB
Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.


Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...


And I'm in favor of it, right? And anybody who ever uses the word "kid" is in favor of it, right? Even somebody who homeschools their "kids" and makes sure that they are educated and know their catechism is in favor of it, albeit implicitly, right?

Or could it be that the use of "kid" is just accidental today...a cultural thing...certainly not intrinsically evil...therefore not resisted as evil. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry...in the minds of these parents. Did you ever think of that?



Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)


Right. And the focus should be in one's own mirror. Lead by example. Don't worry so much why everybody else doesn't see the same significance in those little things; and don't think less of them because of it.


If you (re)read my posts carefully, you may notice that I never stated my position on the OP, in particular, the use of the word "kid."  The etymology of the word can be found here:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kid


Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Lybus on September 18, 2009, 03:30:04 PM
I have never heard of that before. Interesting.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 18, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
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I have never heard of that before. Interesting.


Try this one:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lad

Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 18, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chap

Should we be calling our kids "chaps"? :)
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 18, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chap

Should we be calling our kids "chaps"? :)


That is principally a British word.  If you speak French, even if you are fluent, do not go to Paris and try it.  Speak English!
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Caraffa on September 18, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
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Quote from: SJB
Maybe someone can explain for us what "principles" she is talking about. "Kids" is informal and shouldn't be used when writing, IMHO. "You guys" in in the same category, in my book. Should one be correcting it's use in all circuмstances? I don't think so, but I'll assume Mrs. Horvath is just making us think a little about it.


Apparently, she is opposed to the "hippy Cultural Revolution of the 1960s..."  Hmmm...


And I'm in favor of it, right? And anybody who ever uses the word "kid" is in favor of it, right? Even somebody who homeschools their "kids" and makes sure that they are educated and know their catechism is in favor of it, albeit implicitly, right?

Or could it be that the use of "kid" is just accidental today...a cultural thing...certainly not intrinsically evil...therefore not resisted as evil. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry...in the minds of these parents. Did you ever think of that?



Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)


Right. And the focus should be in one's own mirror. Lead by example. Don't worry so much why everybody else doesn't see the same significance in those little things; and don't think less of them because of it.


I agree that we should lead by example, but I think that's what Ms. Horvat is trying to get Traditional Catholics to do in hope for restoring more and being counter-revolutionary. Yet too many Traditional Catholics favor function over formality, fall into "fiftiesism" as Bishop Williamson states, and yes even Modernism. We've already seen The Remnant begin to pander to mainstream audiences, sadly. O how many similarities I see between Neo-Traditionalism and the US Evangelicals of the 1970's-today. If such behavior continues it may be the undoing of Traditionalist movement.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 18, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
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If such behavior continues it may be the undoing of Traditionalist movement.


Not!  I think that we will still be here, until the very end.  Our Lord promised that, didn't he?!
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Caraffa on September 18, 2009, 10:22:57 PM
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If such behavior continues it may be the undoing of Traditionalist movement.


Not!  I think that we will still be here, until the very end.  Our Lord promised that, didn't he?!


I think that there will always be a remnant, it just may be smaller at certain times. In fact the boost in the number of TLMs and TLM attendees since the MP will in my opinion decline over the next 25 years and I expect that the numbers will eventually be back down to the levels as though the MP had not happened. That may sound pessimistic, but the Trad movement will emerge stronger than before and perhaps a larger part of the Church as a whole. Consider it not pessimism, but "enchanted realism" as I see history repeating itself all the time, just in different places.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jacafamala on September 19, 2009, 04:39:00 AM
Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy. A kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you?
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: SJB on September 19, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
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Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy. A kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you?


This might be the perfect place to end this one. :)
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Catholic Samurai on September 19, 2009, 05:49:38 PM

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I think that there will always be a remnant, it just may be smaller at certain times. In fact the boost in the number of TLMs and TLM attendees since the MP will in my opinion decline over the next 25 years and I expect that the numbers will eventually be back down to the levels as though the MP had not happened. That may sound pessimistic, but the Trad movement will emerge stronger than before and perhaps a larger part of the Church as a whole. Consider it not pessimism, but "enchanted realism" as I see history repeating itself all the time, just in different places.



It's interesting. Remember how God kept reducing the number of Gideon's army? In the end it was just 300 up against thousands but were victorious nevertheless. If the Modernism and lack of principle among Traditionalists is going to cull down the number of Trads to a small remnant, then Im going to make sure Im one of that 300!

A sword for the Lord and Tradition!
A sword for the Lord and Tradition!
A sword for the Lord and Tradition!
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: clare on September 20, 2009, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: Jehanne
Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)


Or you end up straining at gnats and swallowing camels.
Title: Say Children not Kids
Post by: Jehanne on September 20, 2009, 03:45:25 PM
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Sure.  However, focusing on 'the little' things sometimes helps with the bigger things (or fish)


Or you end up straining at gnats and swallowing camels.


 :laugh2:  (Not!)